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 Maybe someone mentioned this in the past 800 pages, but the Triumph of the Will scene being used for the Rebels at the end of ANH is a pretty good indicator that the 'good guys' are not always coded as the 'good guys.' By temporarily defeating the Space Nazis through violence, they have become Space Nazis themselves. Luke has conquered on the physical plane, but he has not conquered on the spiritual plane; this is the whole message of Dagobah; the Death Star has not really been destroyed. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Also, the films have always been against democracy when defined as majority rule. The majority of people elected Palpatine to power, and the majority of people are happy to have even more power. There's a dictatorship in democracy that's evident from the very first scenes of Episode 1. This would seem to support the idea that Lucas doesn't want "Democracy" as Obi Wan does; he wants an enlightened Philosopher King (like Darth Vader?): https://partners.nytimes.com/library/film/032199lucas-wars-excerpts.html George Lucas posted:There's no respect for the office of the Presidency. Not that we need a king, but there's a reason why kings built large palaces, sat on thrones and wore rubies all over. There's a whole social need for that, not to oppress the masses, but to impress the masses and make them proud and allow them to feel good about their culture, their government and their ruler so that they are left feeling that a ruler has the right to rule over them, so that they feel good rather than disgusted about being ruled. In the past, the media basically worked for the state and was there to build the culture. Now, obviously, in some cases it got used in a wrong way and you ended up with the whole balance of power out of whack. But there's probably no better form of government than a good despot. . . . You try to keep people from being used or abused and listen to their grievances and try to do what is fair. Some people get upset because they want everything. Some people feel that they deserve to have everything, even though there's no reason for it. They just feel it's their right. That's one of the problems of a democracy. You get these individual voices that are very loud, and very dysfunctional. And if you cater to those voices, you end up with a very dysfunctional society. If I were SMG, I would read V for Vendetta as the true spiritual sequel to the prequels, in which Padme, emancipated from her role as the puppet of Lucas and Palpatine in a doomed space opera, actually does team up with Darth Vader to enact radical Justice.
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Nessus posted:Yeah, all the "har har, why not just shoot bullets at them, or this or that other technical solution" overlooks that even during the height of the Republic there were like, what, twenty thousand Jedi maybe? For the entire galaxy? So it'd be like spending money to develop a military solution custom-designed to easily and crushingly fend off a rampaging elephant. It could happen. It's not impossible. But it would've been real rare. These were pretty much the Separatists' main anti-Jedi dudes:  As we saw in Episode I droidekas started out being pretty effective against Jedi, but TCW showed the Jedi successfully developing strategies to counter them, just like you said. Anyway I like how in one episode of TCW this exchange actually happens: quote:Battle Droid 1: So have you ever killed a Jedi before? Then they both immediately get lightsabered to death. I don't care what anyone says, the battle droid gags in TCW were funny as poo poo.
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Fun fact: it took them 30 years to officially determine how many toes Yoda has. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yoda%27s_species They still don't know what species he is or where they come from.
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I had a dream that I saw Force Awakens. Both Kylo Ren and his boss had Dark Helmet's giant exaggerated headgear. The movie has been ruined for me now, because it cannot live up to the version that had two Dark Helmets on screen at the same time.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Note that the Force Sensitive Tree is from the Clone Wars cartoon (and Poe Dameron's family backstory) so that's not some random EU bullshit from an obscure old novel, that's part of the current canon. Literally the last shot of the series is of the Force-sensitive tree's flowers blossoming as Yoda speaks of the existence of a new hope for the galaxy which is as yet unknown to the Sith. Yoda is (uncomprehendingly) talking about Luke and Leia, and I guess the implication is that the tree itself has actually in some way sensed their conception, which must have been around this point in the timeline.  Anyway, it's not unprecedented. Why is the tree-cave on Dagobah (which Yoda discovers in the same arc) so strong with the dark side of the Force? The EU had some balderdash about a dark Jedi having died there at some point in the past, but maybe the tree is especially attuned to the Force because that's just the way it is. The Jedi Temple tree was almost certainly inspired by the White Tree of Gondor from The Lord of the Rings. Especially with all that stuff about Poe Dameron's family replanting one of its twigs on Yavin 4. Kind of fitting, too, given that in the old EU Yavin 4 was where Luke established his new Jedi Temple.
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I see what looks like an old General Ackbar in that TV-spot. It better not be a....ruse.
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Is a force-sensitive tree so bad? It ties back into Yoda's ESB speech about the force being all around us 
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Cat Machine posted:Is a force-sensitive tree so bad? It ties back into Yoda's ESB speech about the force being all around us It would be cool if the trees were part of a complicated alien life-cycle like in Orson Scott Card's Speaker For the Dead.
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Grendels Dad posted:The way Star Wars fans are described in this thread makes me think that they give off a magnificent light when you burn them, on account of all the straw they are made of. They must be made of the same material as your arguments. Lessail posted:sounds like the mcu to me Yeah, the MCU (at least as of Avengers) is a very similar setup. Basically Disney knows exactly how to market to manchildren. There's a reason why they haven't done this with (eg) their animated movies. computer parts fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Nov 13, 2015 14:18
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Cat Machine posted:Is a force-sensitive tree so bad? It ties back into Yoda's ESB speech about the force being all around us I guess for me it sounds bad because I associate Force users with lightsaber-twirlers so strongly.
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Double post, but that TV spot sounded like it had new John Williams score on it. Possibly Rey's Theme? Or the Dual of the Fates, or Across the Stars for this movie.
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Nov 13, 2015 14:45
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The fact they sped up Rey's line "I'm no-one" for that TV Spot to make it fit triggers me no end.
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Nov 13, 2015 14:48
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Grendels Dad posted:The way Star Wars fans are described in this thread makes me think that they give off a magnificent light when you burn them, on account of all the straw they are made of. If only I could be so grossly incandescent.
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RBA Starblade posted:If only I could be so grossly incandescent. Luminous beings we are. Corek fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Nov 13, 2015 15:09
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Gonz posted:Stormtroopers armed with vibroblades to parry lightsaber attacks? The First Order is already 20 times smarter than it's predecessor.
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Baron Bifford posted:I enjoyed Abrams Trek and his movies were the most successful of the Star Trek films. He managed to make Trek movies that everybody wanted to watch. Thanks, I never realized that critiquing movies was this easy. If I ever I want to find out how good a movie is I just have to check box office records! So much easier than thinking or talking, why did I not think of that? (They also were released to by far the largest audience of any Trek films, so this isn't even a fair comparison.)
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Viller posted:His voice kinda breaks up on the 2nd line too, was already ok with it but its even better now. I loved the break-up in his voice. It displayed emotional motivation that we usually don't see in villains.
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Gonz posted:vibroblades  Please, that poo poo belongs in the embarrassing EU and video games. Nobody cares how smart or realistic 30 year old man children think skeleton fascists with swords are.
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What was the site that had most of the major (maybbbbe) spoilers? Gleaned from leaked call sheets, etc?
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Arglebargle III posted:
Why is the expanded universe "embarrassing" to you? If you choose not to consume any of it, that's fine. But there's no need to belittle it
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BonoMan posted:What was the site that had most of the major (maybbbbe) spoilers? Gleaned from leaked call sheets, etc? I don't know, but here's the spoiler thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748341
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jivjov posted:Why is the expanded universe "embarrassing" to you? If you choose not to consume any of it, that's fine. But there's no need to belittle it
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To be fair, if you are a grown-rear end human being arguing whether or not the First Order trooper was using a vibroblade or a Magnaguard electrostaff you should be pretty drat embarrassed EU or no. (totally an electrostaff tho)
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jivjov posted:Why is the expanded universe "embarrassing" to you? If you choose not to consume any of it, that's fine. But there's no need to belittle it And yet, I feel the need so acutely.
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Serf posted:To be fair, if you are a grown-rear end human being arguing whether or not the First Order trooper was using a vibroblade or a Magnaguard electrostaff you should be pretty drat embarrassed EU or no. I can't wait to see the staff more fully. It obviously isn't identical to the buzzy purple ones the magnaguards were using, but it looks so cool.
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jivjov posted:Why is the expanded universe "embarrassing" to you? If you choose not to consume any of it, that's fine. But there's no need to belittle it Because fan-fiction is bad. Nerds are dumb and their feelings should always be belittled.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Because fan-fiction is bad. Nerds are dumb and their feelings should always be belittled. You hate yourself.
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We're all nerds here. There's always a lot of hissing.
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Electromax posted:We're all nerds here. There's always a lot of hissing. That's just off gassing.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Because fan-fiction is bad. Nerds are dumb and their feelings should always be belittled. Well if arguing over the canonicity of Han Solo loving a giant space weasel is wrong then I never want to be right.  Related: 9 wildest Star Wars flame wars that exploded on Wikipedia
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A better look at the blaster Han hands over to Rey:
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Nov 13, 2015 18:34
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Because fan-fiction is bad. Nerds are dumb and their feelings should always be belittled. When did fanfiction enter the equation?
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jivjov posted:When did fanfiction enter the equation? I think Heir to the Empire came out in 1991.
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jivjov posted:When did fanfiction enter the equation? When this dude George Lucas made some fan fiction and called it "Star Wars"
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PunkBoy posted:A better look at the blaster Han hands over to Rey: tasty though it will be hard to beat han solo's blaster
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Nov 13, 2015 18:58
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Star Wars is just Flash Gordon fanfiction with names swapped out.
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Shockeh posted:The fact they sped up Rey's line "I'm no-one" for that TV Spot to make it fit triggers me no end. As a person who makes TV spots for movies literally every single one employs some fashion of audio trickery to make everything fit. You're only noticing because it is Star Wars, sped up voices for timing happens all the time.
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"It doesn't make sense for the Empire to be racist; it would make them a less efficient fighting machine." -- an actual Star Wars fan
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