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Twerk from Home posted:The new NUCs can sure play 4K, but can't output it over HDMI! Well they can, just at 30Hz. They will do 4k60Hz over DisplayPort Edit: Corrected error. Krailor fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 9, 2015 |
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Krailor posted:They will do 4k60Hz over DisplayPort but then you have to figure out how to get audio out. DisplayPort carries audio, no?
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sadus posted:Not sure if its a new thing but the Skylake motherboards have a voltage offset setting now instead of just hard-coding the voltage, so you can just boost the voltage a bit but it will still drop way down when not in use. We hit 4.8ghz at 1.45v with a i5-6600k with a $30 Cryorig CPU cooler and two cheapo stock case fans but dropped it down to 4.6ghz at 1.4v to be stable with Prime95 v28.7 overnight. The first i7's had offset voltage ability in the motherboard that properly support overclocking. Its IMO the prefered way to OC so you're not running 1.X volts through your CPU at all times for no reason. That's why I mentioned it earlier with the 2600K OC talk. It does take some good finesse to get it dialed in as you are combating the native CPU's voltage stepping, the Motherboards Vdroop and Loadline calibration, and whatever other settings each board may have onboard, but once you get it dialed in, it's nice to have a chip that runs almost like factory only with a 1ghz bump. Also 1.4V just seems extreme to me for any OC below 4.8Ghz. Hell my 3930K doesn't even use more than 1.384v at 4.6ghz and its a fatty. It needs 1.4+ for 4.8-4.9 Range, but the heat and the time it takes to adjust everything else to make it stable is just to much for what little gain I get at that point. 4.4Ghz was an easy sweet spot that is like 10C cooler than 4.6+ in the summer lol. Subjunctive posted:DisplayPort carries audio, no? I though't it did too...
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Subjunctive posted:DisplayPort carries audio, no? Mine does.
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Subjunctive posted:DisplayPort carries audio, no? Huh, so it does. My mistake.
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Krailor posted:Well they can, just at 30Hz.
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Dec 9, 2015 18:46
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MiniDisplayPort to HDMI cables? Up to 15 feet
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sadus posted:MiniDisplayPort to HDMI cables? Up to 15 feet Those won't do any good, then you're just back to the same 4k30 that HDMI natively supports. The only option you'd have for 4k60 would be an active DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter and I don't know if those actually exist yet or not.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Thanks for pointing out the Alpha! This application won't be needed for a few months, so I'll stay tuned to see if it still stays on top w/r/t that idea. The Alpha's also gone on sale for ~$359-399 at times for the i3 version. Check Techbargains periodically, they're usually pretty good with listing when it goes on sale.
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Subjunctive posted:DisplayPort carries audio, no? displayport should carry audio EIDE Van Hagar fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The Alpha's also gone on sale for ~$359-399 at times for the i3 version. Check Techbargains periodically, they're usually pretty good with listing when it goes on sale. It's actually on sale right now for $305 after $45 rebate: https://slickdeals.net/f/8359803-alienware-alpha-desktop-i3-4170t-geforce-gtx-4gb-ddr3-305-after-45-slickdeals-rebate-free-shipping?v=1
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Rexxed posted:It's actually on sale right now for $305 after $45 rebate:  E: I thought this was a great deal until I ordered it and then discovered that 3 weeks ago it was $190: https://slickdeals.net/f/8258965-alienware-alpha-desktop-console-190-free-shipping E2: Adding nuance to the above--apparently stock was extremely limited and there were a lot of order cancellations. Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Dec 11, 2015 |
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Hows the noise with NUCs nowadays? From the earlier posts I'm guessing quiet enough. Just asking cause I remember the early models could be annoying in that regard according to reviews.
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japtor posted:Hows the noise with NUCs nowadays? From the earlier posts I'm guessing quiet enough. Just asking cause I remember the early models could be annoying in that regard according to reviews. Just type the model number of the one you're interested into Youtube. People always want to show off poo poo, and you'll probably get a good impression of any noise it makes.
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japtor posted:Hows the noise with NUCs nowadays? From the earlier posts I'm guessing quiet enough. Just asking cause I remember the early models could be annoying in that regard according to reviews. I have a Broadwell i3 and it is silent when idling, or at least inaudible over the HVAC in the server room on the next floor up. It's also silent with 4 threads of Prime95 going and hovers right under 70C. I don't know what it's like if you're taxing the CPU and GPU but I imagine it can't be that bad.
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So apparently basic overclocking via BCKL is coming soon to "locked" Skylake CPUs on a Z170 motherboard near you. While probably not enough to sate people trying to hit the top-end of things and contemplating 6600/6700's, it might make for a pretty compelling low- to mid-tier build, and gives a lot more people a reason to upgrade from older chipsets than what Skylake currently offers.
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japtor posted:Hows the noise with NUCs nowadays? From the earlier posts I'm guessing quiet enough. Just asking cause I remember the early models could be annoying in that regard according to reviews. Mine (i5 version) is silent unless you're within a foot or less of it. Then you can hear air moving, but that's about it. Even loaded they're still pretty quiet overall.
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Note that even on the NUCs that are a bit loud, it's usually the default idle fan speed being too high that's the problem.. It was 20% on my 2820 NUC, which was noticeable as a HTPC, but it's silent at 10%. It actually runs totally fine with the fan set to 0%, but I couldn't find a way to turn off the fan speed warning that popped up at every boot. When it was at 0%, I don't think the fan ever kicked on, even when playing hours of high bitrate 1080p stuff.
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DrDork posted:So apparently basic overclocking via BCKL is coming soon to "locked" Skylake CPUs on a Z170 motherboard near you. While probably not enough to sate people trying to hit the top-end of things and contemplating 6600/6700's, it might make for a pretty compelling low- to mid-tier build, and gives a lot more people a reason to upgrade from older chipsets than what Skylake currently offers. I'm probably going to do a low- to mid-tier Skylake build sometime next year, but I'm pretty ignorant about this sort of thing, is this as exciting as it sounds?
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One thing to note that is that they didn't touch anything that used 3D graphics, so unless there was a huge change in how the bus is handled, the bus clock will also overclock the PCIe bus speed on non-LGA2011 boards, which is generally undesirable.
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HMS Boromir posted:I'm probably going to do a low- to mid-tier Skylake build sometime next year, but I'm pretty ignorant about this sort of thing, is this as exciting as it sounds? Anime Schoolgirl posted:One thing to note that is that they didn't touch anything that used 3D graphics, so unless there was a huge change in how the bus is handled, the bus clock will also overclock the PCIe bus speed on non-LGA2011 boards, which is generally undesirable. BCLK is independent from PCIe clocks in Skylake. The only thing it affects are the CPU itself and the RAM (which generally can deal with a bit of overclocking anyhow), everything else is on independent clocks. e; also, they did do some gaming benchmarks on it, though they paired it with a 960, so it showed basically no difference as even the stock i3 was well ahead of the 960, but it at least shows that it works. DrDork fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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DrDork posted:BCLK is independent from PCIe clocks in Skylake. The only thing it affects are the CPU itself and the RAM (which generally can deal with a bit of overclocking anyhow), everything else is on independent clocks.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:That would be promising if they ever bring the feature to stuff cheaper than Z boards.
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DrDork posted:Everything down to the H110 boards supports BCLK overclocking (at least in theory) on K chips already, so it's very possible that we'll see it trickle down if it's as simple as a BIOS update. Even so, you can get Z170 boards for under $100, so while they're not the cheapest of the cheap, they're only about $30 off from the bottom of the Skylake barrel. Assuming a 25% overclock, that would still allow a $180 i5-6500 to punch at or above a stock $300 6700 in many tasks, which ain't bad. Newegg has/had a z170 asrock for like $75 yesterday.
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ASRock have released BIOS updates for most (all?) of their Z-series motherboards allowing Skylake BCLK overclocking. Given the big "NON-Z" at the top I'm guessing budget mobos will be joining in on the fun soon. Personally, I'm looking at that 4.3GHz 6400 and salivating a little.
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You have to give ASRock credit for sure, they make some neat boards and support them pretty well when new stuff drops that opens up current chipset features. Their X79 boards were nuts except for how many only had 4 Ram slots instead of 8. :/
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EdEddnEddy posted:You have to give ASRock credit for sure, they make some neat boards and support them pretty well when new stuff drops that opens up current chipset features. Their X79 boards were nuts except for how many only had 4 Ram slots instead of 8. :/ Idk my x99 itx has a hosed up bios that only occasionally feels like reflecting my boot settings UnforunTely it's the only itx x99 board 
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Does Intel get pissed off with back door overclocking shenanigans like that or do you think they care? I could see them being pissed off since it would take away from some K processors, but they can't keep up with demand anyhow.
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slidebite posted:Does Intel get pissed off with back door overclocking shenanigans like that or do you think they care? I could see them being pissed off since it would take away from some K processors, but they can't keep up with demand anyhow. They couldn't make a convincing argument to mandate locking the feature to only Z-boards after they released the G3258. I suspect something similar will happen with the CPU BCLK deal, since it's technically possible there's no real sense in trying to shut it down, especially with the incredibly poor yields on K processors for Skylake. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Long-term I'm sure Intel isn't thrilled with the idea of being able to overclock non-k chips but for the 1151 socket generation I think they've resigned themselves to the fact that it will happen. Once Intel announced that the FIVR was being moved off-chip in Skylake most people were expecting BCLK overclocking to come back. The real test will be if Intel puts the FIVR back on-chip in the future.
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HMS Boromir posted:ASRock have released BIOS updates for most (all?) of their Z-series motherboards allowing Skylake BCLK overclocking. Given the big "NON-Z" at the top I'm guessing budget mobos will be joining in on the fun soon. Personally, I'm looking at that 4.3GHz 6400 and salivating a little.
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Malloc Voidstar posted:why did they take screenshots of cpu-z, save them as jpeg, and then upscale them i don't know but i loving love it also they removed the big NON-Z i mentioned from the graphic at the top lol
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Krailor posted:Those won't do any good, then you're just back to the same 4k30 that HDMI natively supports. The only option you'd have for 4k60 would be an active DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter and I don't know if those actually exist yet or not. http://club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.en/product/mini-displayport-12-to-hdmi-20-uhd-active-adapter.html would that scratch the itch? Thread where they discuss its merits at http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2554074/displayport-hdmi.html JockstrapManthrust fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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JockstrapManthrust posted:http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Displayport-HDMI-Adapter-Supports/dp/B001NIEHIO would that scratch the itch? Read the reviews.
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I did, just updated my post as you posted :/
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Krailor posted:Those won't do any good, then you're just back to the same 4k30 that HDMI natively supports. The only option you'd have for 4k60 would be an active DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter and I don't know if those actually exist yet or not. Dumb question, perhaps because I don't keep up with where and when 4k is useful, but what content is in 4k60 today or in the near future? That just sounds like the height of decadence.
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It's really nice to look at when working. Media consumption and games, eh it'll be a while before those are in play.
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SpelledBackwards posted:Dumb question, perhaps because I don't keep up with where and when 4k is useful, but what content is in 4k60 today or in the near future? That just sounds like the height of decadence. You'd want 4k60 if you get a 4k monitor, just so that things won't look weird (since the typical LCD monitor these days refreshes at 60hz). I remember when cheap LCDs were first coming out and some could only handle 30hz updates and it was just really annoying to use a computer with them. To say nothing of the dodgy laptop screens where 100 milliseconds response time was considered good.
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4k60 with *sync would be good, since it's definitely possible to push modern content on decent settings above 30fps, even if holding a solid 60 is hard. Problem is that people who would pay $stupid for 4k60 are now used to 96Hz+...
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fishmech posted:You'd want 4k60 if you get a 4k monitor, just so that things won't look weird (since the typical LCD monitor these days refreshes at 60hz). I remember when cheap LCDs were first coming out and some could only handle 30hz updates and it was just really annoying to use a computer with them. To say nothing of the dodgy laptop screens where 100 milliseconds response time was considered good. Lenovo is trying to sucker people into buying a 'gaming laptop' with a 4K touchscreen that has a 48Hz refresh rate that they pair with a 2GB 960M.
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