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An obscure Austrian painter who had some potential but could never quite get people to look right. He eventually committed suicide.
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Jan 4, 2016 13:19
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One of the reasons why the last king of Portugal fell was because he was trying to monopolize all the names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_II_of_Portugal quote:Manuel Maria Filipe Carlos Amélio Luís Miguel Rafael Gabriel Gonzaga Xavier Francisco de Assis Eugénio de Orleães Sabóia e Saxe-Coburgo-Gotha Post your favorite long rear end monarch name.
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Jan 4, 2016 13:49
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A former German Minister of Defense was called Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Wilhelm Franz Joseph Sylvester Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg by every newspaper you could find until someone found out that the Wilhelm was smuggled into the Wikipedia article as a vicious experiment. It proved that most journalists just copy-paste Wikipedia.
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Jan 4, 2016 14:07
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Dutch kings tend to have so many titles that in official writings they give their main title as king, followed by "etc. etc. etc.". The triple etc. is considered an official part of their name when written in that way.
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Jan 4, 2016 15:22
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I like the full title of the Austrian emperors which schoolchildren had to learn by heart: Emperor of Austria, Apostolic King of Hungary, King of Bohemia, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, of Slavonia, of Galicia, of Lodomeria, and of Illyria, King of Jerusalem, and so forth, Archduke of Austria, Grand Duke of Tuscany and of Cracow, Duke of Lorraine, of Salzburg, of Styria, of Carinthia, of Carniola and of the Bukovina, Grand Prince of Transylvania, Margrave in Moravia, Duke of Upper and Lower Silesia, of Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, of Auschwitz and Zator, of Teschen, Friuli, Ragusa and Zara, Princely Count of Habsburg and Tyrol, of Kyburg, Gorizia and Gradisca, Prince of Trent and Brixen, Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and in Istria, Count of Hohenems, Feldkirch, Bregenz, Sonnenberg, and so forth, Lord of Trieste, of Cattaro and of the Windic March, Grand Voivode of the Voivodship of Serbia, and so forth, Sovereign of the Order of the Golden Fleece, etc. etc. It was last used at Otto von Habsburg's (the last crown prince) funeral in 2011, though without the titles of "King of Jerusalem" and "Archduke of Austria" (as the former had always been just a claim and the latter fell away after Otto formally retiring all his claims to Austria in 1961). If you've got some time to spare and are interested in stuff like this you should take a look at video of his funeral on youtube, it's pretty rad (and was hilariously filed as "totally not a state funeral, you guys")
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Jan 4, 2016 16:13
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Plucky Brit posted:Hahahaha I guess you aren't familiar with charles da mang quote:Charlemagne issued a number of decrees designed to break Saxon resistance and to inflict capital punishment on anyone observing heathen practices or disrespecting the king's peace. His severe and uncompromising position, which earned him the title "butcher of Saxons", caused his close adviser Alcuin of York, later abbot of Saint Martin's Abbey at Tours, to urge leniency, as God's word should be spread not by the sword but by persuasion; but the wars continued. Since there were pagans in almost every direction Charles had a whole lot of heathens to beat up 
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Jan 4, 2016 18:33
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Actually, the allies declared war on Germany so they started World War 2.
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Jan 4, 2016 18:48
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hard counter posted:I guess you aren't familiar with charles da mang Saxony, the traditional home of the Vikings
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Jan 4, 2016 18:50
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I meant that as an example of christian aggression. Widukind, the leader of the Saxon resistance would however flee to Denmark when things weren't going well and at around this time the Danes expanded a set of defensive fortifications called the Danevirke in anticipation of a Frankish invasion that never came.
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Jan 4, 2016 18:59
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The barbarians are killing each other, how unfortunate.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:09
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Surely nothing bad will come of this!
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Jan 4, 2016 19:25
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hard counter posted:I meant that as an example of christian aggression. Widukind, the leader of the Saxon resistance would however flee to Denmark when things weren't going well and at around this time the Danes expanded a set of defensive fortifications called the Danevirke in anticipation of a Frankish invasion that never came. And then he returned and got baptized. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZPHWMhiggo
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Jan 4, 2016 19:34
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WATCH CHARLEMAGNE START A loving VIKING AGE!
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Jan 4, 2016 19:45
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The Carolingian renaissance was neat but the massacre of Verden was a pretty big dick move.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:47
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FreudianSlippers posted:The Carolingian renaissance was neat but the massacre of Verden was a pretty big dick move. A significant amount of medieval history can be summed up as "a pretty big dick move."
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Jan 4, 2016 20:11
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The Holy Roman Empire's economic blockade on pagan Scandinavia is certainly one of the major factors that lead to the Vikings. It's also what forced the Vikings to trade with the Romans and Rus because they needed a source of steel that wasn't from France or Germany, where the vast majority of modern high tech steel weapons were being made at the time. Viking steel was legendarily poor and so their access to it was through merchants bringing it in from India and the middle east or by raiding Normandy and England to steal it.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:50
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A significant amount of history can be summed up as "a pretty big dick move." e: for content: During the Mexican-American war, a significant contingent of american irishmen straight up deserted to join the mexican army, forming what would become known as the St. Patrick's Battalion. Their final battle would be Churubusco, where after shooting the mexican general who tried to surrender, they were eventually defeated by hand-to-hand combat. Despite many of them being hung for desertion after being captured, their commander John Riley retired in Mexico. Ichabod Sexbeast has a new favorite as of 23:21 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Jan 4, 2016 23:13
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Tiggum posted:a man whose name leads me to assume that he was a super-villain, Colonel Blood. There was an actual super villain by the same name back in the seventeenth century! He tried to steal the crown jewels from the tower!
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Jan 5, 2016 00:16
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Mousepractice posted:There was an actual super villain by the same name back in the seventeenth century! He tried to steal the crown jewels from the tower! Why the gently caress is there not a heist movie of this? Can Bill Murray do an irish accent?
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Jan 5, 2016 00:24
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Plucky Brit posted:Hahahaha This a pretty weird, arrogant reaction to a common historical theory 
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Jan 5, 2016 00:58
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Back To 99 posted:This a pretty weird, arrogant reaction to a common historical theory So the attack on Lindisfarne was a retaliation for all those Northumbrian raids on the Danes?
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Jan 5, 2016 01:08
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Many historians seems to think the attacks directed against Christians were in response to the Frankish threat, yes. I personally believe it was mostly due to the unification of Norway and population boom, but i wouldn't laugh off a valid theory just because of that.
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Jan 5, 2016 01:25
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There were a lot of reasons. Lack of good agricultural land in Scandinavia was easily one of the biggest; kind of hard to support a growing population on land that's lovely for farming. Of course what people don't talk about when it comes to the Vikings is that while they did have a lot of "bloodthirsty raiders" in the culture not all of them were a bunch of angry, filthy guys with long beards just waiting for the next raid. They also were extremely good fisherman and traders. Their land sucked so they took to the sea. This is why the Hanseatic League became economically powerful and important. Germanic and Norse traders sailed all over the region shipping things around. Really that life also was a lot more attractive because it was easier to not die young when you made your living trading. Of course one major change was when the Vikings were convinced to quit raiding each other so drat much. Vikings, early on, actually raided their neighbors more than they raided the rest of Europe. Once centralized power finally started happening the rulers were like "you shits quit killing each other." Even so the thing the Vikings were the best at, that people seem to forget, was sailing. Yes they were good fighters but they were absurdly good seafarers.
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Jan 5, 2016 01:46
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The Vikings also won the NFC North this year.
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Jan 5, 2016 02:27
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Only because Jerry Falwell provoked them
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Jan 5, 2016 02:44
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Plucky Brit posted:So the attack on Lindisfarne was a retaliation for all those Northumbrian raids on the Danes?
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Jan 5, 2016 02:58
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The sack of Rome was an inside job.
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Jan 5, 2016 03:10
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Mans posted:The sack of Rome was an inside job. By time-travelling Vikings. With laser guns.
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Jan 5, 2016 03:15
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:e: for content: A bunch of American immigrants deserted from the US Army during that war, a lot of them Catholics. There's a few reasons for this, one being that the US had a whole lot of prejudice towards Catholic immigrants and Mexico was a Catholic country, and one being that a huge bunch of recruits brought in for the war were Irishmen, especially those with military experience who basically were biding their time gaining experience for when the time came to fight for Irish independence, and the US recruiters straight up lied to them and told them war was imminent over the Oregon boundary dispute when the compromise had already been worked out. Add in peacetime "discipline" that spent a lot of time on the torture side of things, and there was a lot of reason to desert. The reason John Riley wasn't executed was for the same reason some soldiers weren't, which is that they deserted before a state of war existed. Interestingly, the real elite of the US army during that period was the horse artillery. The cavalry were experienced but mainly used to frontier fighting and the infantry and foot artillery wasn't drilled nearly to the standard of the horse artillery. Horse artillery is basically lighter guns where everyone rides, to make a much more mobile unit than men walking with horses pulling heavier guns. The main use was to be able to get to a key position for artillery quickly and start firing at important targets. xthetenth has a new favorite as of 05:54 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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Jan 5, 2016 05:50
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Plucky Brit posted:So the attack on Lindisfarne was a retaliation for all those Northumbrian raids on the Danes? I know most historians date the start of the Viking Age to Lindisfarne 793 but that wasn't the first bit of Viking activity ever, it wasn't even the first bit of Viking activity in the British Isles since lesser records exist of Norwegians showing up in the Isle of Portland in 789 (perhaps just on a trading expedition that went badly sour) and Mercia already had a charter for organizing defenses against pagan seamen in 792, albeit that could be referring to Frisian pirates. Anyway the Norse had been raiding the coasts of western and northern Frankia concurrent to these events, possibly even starting there though the records left behind aren't nearly as good or as famous as the correspondence between Alcuin and the Lindisfarne priests that form the best information available re: the early Viking raids. Ultimately, like the first post says, the theory is just that Charlemagne's anti-pagan activities snagged some Norsemen and provoked revenge raids that also taught the Vikings that Christian churches, in general, were rich & easy pickings and so the Norse went on a medieval gold rush to wherever men prayed under a cross.
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Jan 5, 2016 07:35
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Francis Ronalds invented a working electrical telegraph system in 1816, and offered it to the British government and military, describing it as "a mode of conveying telegraphic intelligence with great rapidity, accuracy, and certainty, in all states of the atmosphere, either at night or in the day, and at small expense". They weren't interested.
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Jan 5, 2016 07:55
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Mans posted:The sack of Rome was an inside job. Greek fire can't melt stone aqueducts
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Jan 5, 2016 11:20
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Tiggum posted:Francis Ronalds invented a working electrical telegraph system in 1816, and offered it to the British government and military, describing it as "a mode of conveying telegraphic intelligence with great rapidity, accuracy, and certainty, in all states of the atmosphere, either at night or in the day, and at small expense". They weren't interested. Frank Whittle invented the jet engine and offered it to the British Air Ministry in 1929 who weren't interested. They wouldn't even give him the £5 patent renewal fee in 1935.
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Jan 5, 2016 11:45
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spog posted:Frank Whittle invented the jet engine and offered it to the British Air Ministry in 1929 who weren't interested. The academic paper that lead to the American invention of stealth aircraft (the paper was about how to accurately calculate the radar cross-section of any shape, Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works took the idea and decided to see just how tiny they could make an airplane appear on radar) was written by a Russian physicist in the 60s. The Soviet military thought his ideas were completely useless and because his paper had no military or economic value he was permitted to publish it internationally.
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Jan 5, 2016 16:10
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FuhrerHat posted:It was mentioned earlier in this thread but I'm going to reiterate: This sounds really interesting. Do you have any books/other media to recommend on the subject?
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Jan 5, 2016 16:12
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hard counter posted:I know most historians date the start of the Viking Age to Lindisfarne 793 but that wasn't the first bit of Viking activity ever, it wasn't even the first bit of Viking activity in the British Isles since lesser records exist of Norwegians showing up in the Isle of Portland in 789 (perhaps just on a trading expedition that went badly sour) and Mercia already had a charter for organizing defenses against pagan seamen in 792, albeit that could be referring to Frisian pirates. Anyway the Norse had been raiding the coasts of western and northern Frankia concurrent to these events, possibly even starting there though the records left behind aren't nearly as good or as famous as the correspondence between Alcuin and the Lindisfarne priests that form the best information available re: the early Viking raids. Ultimately, like the first post says, the theory is just that Charlemagne's anti-pagan activities snagged some Norsemen and provoked revenge raids that also taught the Vikings that Christian churches, in general, were rich & easy pickings and so the Norse went on a medieval gold rush to wherever men prayed under a cross.
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Jan 5, 2016 16:13
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FuhrerHat posted:- However, the Turks had their Janissary armies, a Spartan-like force of kids who were kidnapped at birth from rival tribes and then taught how to fight or something. But they weren't just cannon-fodder in any sense of the word. These guys had proto-rifles and scimitars and all sorts of serious mean poo poo that will considerably gently caress you up. They were professional soldiers that completely dominated the battlefield and had no regional equal. The Janissaries were seriously hardcore. This is a snippet from the account of Nicolo Barbaro, who kept a diary of basically the whole thing. quote:They found the Turks coming right up under the walls and seeking battle, particularly the janissaries, who are soldiers of the Turkish Sultan; none of them are afraid of death, but they came on like wild beasts, and when one or two of them were killed, at once more Turks came and took away the dead ones, carrying them on their shoulders as one would a pig, without caring how near they came to the city walls. Our men shot at them with guns and crossbows, aiming at the Turk who was carrying away his dead countryman, and both of them would fall to the ground dead, and then there came other Turks and took them away, none fearing death, but being willing to let ten of themselves be killed rather than suffer the shame of leaving a single Turkish corpse by the walls. I imagine not having any bodies to look at and say "at least we got rid of those assholes" would be kind of terrible for morale.
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Jan 5, 2016 17:26
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I'm Crap posted:That isn't so much a theory as it is a load of more or less unfounded speculation. I would also add that it seems from a distance like a cheesy attempt to shoehorn history into a simple-minded and unhelpful framework about EVIL EMPIRES and FREEDOM FIGHTERS, regardless of the facts. Err, except it doesn't do that at all? At least not when phrased in the way he posted it.
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Dude, he literally said that the reason that Danes started going a-robbing and a-reaving is because they were provoked by Charlemagne's imperialism and religious persecution.
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