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If you think about it, there are plenty of plot holes / power discrepancies in Hunter x Hunter but unlike most other series it doesn't bother me in HxH because the series is just so good.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Nope the statue is created with Emission. NecroMonster posted:emission makes "energy" and conjuration makes "matter", furthermore non-nen users usually cannot see emissions but usually can see conjurations Emission 'makes' nothing. Emission just means he can separate his nen from his body, that's all. It's pretty drat clear his status is conjured, given that Togashi has always made a lot of effort in order to distinguish how Emission, Transmutation and Conjurations are drawn.
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Jan 26, 2016 22:12
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Razor's 14 Devils are emission-based.
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Jan 26, 2016 22:18
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its emission with a very minor amount of transmutation to give it shape surely. conjuration would be something normal people can see emission is a bit odd because teleporting punches counts as emission
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Jan 26, 2016 22:41
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Jose posted:its emission with a very minor amount of transmutation to give it shape surely. conjuration would be something normal people can see Nah transmuters change their auras into substances. What you're thinking of is manipulation in that it both controls the devils and shapes their form. Think of something like Morels smoke creations which is explicitly stated to be both Emission and Manipulation and you get an idea of what Emitters can do. It's just a solid mass of Nen given shape and controlled from a distance.
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Jan 26, 2016 22:47
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I guess its because i was thinking of the lessons on greed island that involved making numbers with nen that counted as transmutation. For me, making it into shapes is really basic transmutation. Changing the properties to something else is what is actually hard and requires affinity
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Jan 26, 2016 23:15
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Jose posted:I guess its because i was thinking of the lessons on greed island that involved making numbers with nen that counted as transmutation. For me, making it into shapes is really basic transmutation. Changing the properties to something else is what is actually hard and requires affinity I wouldn't say it's wrong. A lot of the Nen categories have a lot of aspects of the others in them, which is why Conjuration and Emission get confused a lot because they cover the same sort of ground. I'd imagine Manipulation and Transmutation are also similar like that. I think Gon's training was more the basics that anyone could train in any category and was to get him comfortable with the idea of changing or hardening his Nen for later use with Scissors, rather than anything specific to transmuter training.
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Jan 26, 2016 23:31
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That's why it'd be good for Gon to go over the basics and actually learn this poo poo proper to iron out any confusion instead of 90% ren + ten and 5% level 1 training and 5% level 5 training.
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Jan 27, 2016 00:35
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Arkeus posted:It really, really can't. Emission is ONLY 'separate nen from body'. It can't do anything conjuration can. This is incorrect. Given that Knuckles's APR is Emission, Razor's 14 Devils are Emission, Goreinu's Gorillas are emisson, Tocino's 11 Men are Emission. It is even stated here. "Some Emission abilities are commonly mistaken for Conjuration abilities. The two, however, are fundamentally different. Objects created by Emitters are created solely from aura, invisible to those whom haven't learned Nen."
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Jan 27, 2016 03:58
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But that makes it sound like conjuration is emission's ugly sister. What can conjuration do that emission cannot? Making things visible to normal people seems profoundly worthless.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:17
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Serious Frolicking posted:But that makes it sound like conjuration is emission's ugly sister. What can conjuration do that emission cannot? Making things visible to normal people seems profoundly worthless. Conjuring creates actual things. Emission just moves your nen around.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:19
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I was under the impression conjuration allowed you to create highly specific objects with particular properties whereas emission is way more simple and straightforward.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:27
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Serious Frolicking posted:But that makes it sound like conjuration is emission's ugly sister. What can conjuration do that emission cannot? Making things visible to normal people seems profoundly worthless. Kortopi, for one, is probably the most important Spider in terms of getting poo poo done.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:38
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Bad Seafood posted:I was under the impression conjuration allowed you to create highly specific objects with particular properties whereas emission is way more simple and straightforward. Depends on how you use it. I mean, those gorillas were pretty specific. Of course since conjuration is actually creating a real object, it's less taxing than doing something like long range emission. The further away from you your Nen creation gets, the more taxing it is for you to control it and keep it intact.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:46
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Serious Frolicking posted:But that makes it sound like conjuration is emission's ugly sister. What can conjuration do that emission cannot? Making things visible to normal people seems profoundly worthless. Genthru woldn't be able to make his bombs with Emission.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:58
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Serious Frolicking posted:But that makes it sound like conjuration is emission's ugly sister. What can conjuration do that emission cannot? Making things visible to normal people seems profoundly worthless. Allows you to create an object that can do really specific things and once you're able to summon it, it basically requires no effort to use, so you can focus all your attention on attack or defense with Nen. Emitters on the other hand are constantly having to output aura and concentration into their creations and it weakens their aura. So for example Razors power was significantly diminished while he had the Devils out, Morels smoke clones had bits of his aura in them and while he was stuck in Cheetus zone he couldn't just call them back in because he probably wasn't getting that aura back. Also as we saw with Kurapika hiding his chains, you can play some pretty cool mind games with what you conjure.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:59
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Gyges posted:Depends on how you use it. I mean, those gorillas were pretty specific. Of course since conjuration is actually creating a real object, it's less taxing than doing something like long range emission. The further away from you your Nen creation gets, the more taxing it is for you to control it and keep it intact. Really though, like I said earlier, I think trying to fit anybody strictly inside a particular box is the wrong way of thinking about it. The categories exist to facilitate our understanding and give us some idea what to expect; they're not ironclad rules.
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Jan 27, 2016 05:02
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Getting through phase three of the exam, still really like it but I hate this group of prisoners they're fighting. The bit with the blue guy was great though.
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Jan 27, 2016 05:22
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Don't worry, Togashi put a lot of heart into writing the last guy.
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Jan 27, 2016 05:27
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Holy gently caress killua what the God drat poo poo.
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Jan 27, 2016 05:31
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Bad Seafood posted:Don't worry, Togashi put a lot of heart into writing the last guy. I get it!!!!
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Jan 27, 2016 05:38
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Kingtheninja posted:Holy gently caress killua what the God drat poo poo. That might be the single best moment of the show.
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Jan 27, 2016 05:39
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Kingtheninja posted:Holy gently caress killua what the God drat poo poo. Oh yeah, Togashi ain't afraid to kill off characters. E: in gruesome ways Eej fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Jan 27, 2016 05:43
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With the exception of Pitou's puppets, Bisky's weird massage girl and Kastro's clone. You can also assume that any power that involves summoning a creature or constructs and moving them around is an emission power. Simply because emission and manipulation are next to each other on the cart so it's fairly easy for ether to emit and manipulate their nen constructs. Pitou's puppets are a show of how powerful conjuration and manipulation are when the user is a specialist and can meaningfully both. Unlike emitters they don't require concentration and aura once summoned and don't even require Pitou to be close to them for them to continue their functions and obey her. (Though Pitou has less direct control over the puppets.) Eej posted:Oh yeah, Togashi ain't afraid to kill off characters.
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Jan 27, 2016 07:53
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I wonder what went wrong between Killua's grandpa's generation and Killua's dad's generation. His grandpa seems to detest the idea of killing anyone other than his assassination target, but the rest of the Zoldyck family seems cool with offing dudes left and right (and Killua's mom even wants him to be all murderous).
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Jan 27, 2016 09:13
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Just another tragic example of the moral degradation of family values in our society.
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Jan 27, 2016 09:18
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Just another traditional example of the wisdom earned with age
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Jan 27, 2016 10:04
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If he didn't regularly sweep the board though you might have a Bleach or Naruto-style situation where they just pile the gently caress up because whoops they're suddenly a major part of the overall story and can't be disposed of. Having distinct sets of cool minor characters for each arc who come and go and most importantly have their own thing going on so they can leave without it feeling like the author just forgot about them is cool.
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Jan 27, 2016 13:49
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Well I ended the night with them making it to the bottom of the tower. I'll watch some more tonight, but I'm starting to think Tonpa might "accidentally" pass the hunter exam.
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Jan 27, 2016 14:41
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Tonpa is an upstanding individual that embodies most of the traditional Hunter values. Nobody passes the Exams by accident.
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Jan 27, 2016 14:51
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Ytlaya posted:I wonder what went wrong between Killua's grandpa's generation and Killua's dad's generation. His grandpa seems to detest the idea of killing anyone other than his assassination target, but the rest of the Zoldyck family seems cool with offing dudes left and right (and Killua's mom even wants him to be all murderous). His grandpa has his motto "1 kill a day" painted on his shirt so its fair to say he set an example for wanton killing even if they are all apparently contract kills.
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Jan 27, 2016 21:55
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He's 67 so he should have somewhere around 24,000 confirmed kills depending on when he started.
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Jan 27, 2016 21:57
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That scene is one of the those moments where I have the odd feeling HxH is trying to teach me a really weird moral lesson. Maybe it's just culture shock, as a lot of anime seems to have moments like this for me, but HxH kind of stands out, since it otherwise tries to maintain a certain deviation between it's characters and the reader.
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Jan 27, 2016 22:20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYMnAUGFuG0
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Jan 27, 2016 22:50
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Bad Seafood posted:Razor's 14 Devils are emission-based. Jose posted:its emission with a very minor amount of transmutation to give it shape surely. conjuration would be something normal people can see Razor's 14 devils are explicitely conjuration-made, given they can talk. They are also explicitly being manipulated, and manipulation can only work on conjuration/real objects. Asuron posted:Nah transmuters change their auras into substances. What you're thinking of is manipulation in that it both controls the devils and shapes their form. Morel manipulates his Pipe to do a special smoke, and then he manipulates the smoke. The smoke actually exists and is not just a shape of nen. MonsterEnvy posted:This is incorrect. Given that Knuckles's APR is Emission, Razor's 14 Devils are Emission, Goreinu's Gorillas are emisson, Tocino's 11 Men are Emission. Tocino doesn't use conjuration, for the simple reasons he actually buys ballons to use his nen on. quote:It is even stated here. "Some Emission abilities are commonly mistaken for Conjuration abilities. The two, however, are fundamentally different. Objects created by Emitters are created solely from aura, invisible to those whom haven't learned Nen." Arkeus fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Jan 27, 2016 23:29
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I'm pretty sure Razor and Goreinu are not Emitters using Conjuration; that would be the single worst way for them to make their powers, and as we've seen they're both pretty dang effective.
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Jan 27, 2016 23:37
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Arkeus posted:Razor's 14 devils are explicitely conjuration-made, given they can talk. They are also explicitly being manipulated, and manipulation can only work on conjuration/real objects. The only things you said that are correct here is that the powers are being manipulated, Tocino buys Balloons and thay Morel manipulates Smoke. Razor's 14 Devils are explicitly Emission based.They can talk yes, so can APR, there is nothing special about Nen Constructs talking. One of the guidebooks is here.
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Jan 28, 2016 00:20
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Razor's devils are not conjured because they can fusion dance to become stronger, something that actual physical beings would find quite impossible
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Jan 28, 2016 00:22
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I think the more crazy Emission powers are the result of Togashi realizing he wrote himself into a corner with that power. Basically, they are the only ones who really have to spread out into other categories, since otherwise all they can do is maintaining aura away from their body, which doesn't do anything on it's own. So they either need to to change that aura into something (Transmutation) or channel some effect with it (Manipulation). In the end, I doubt Togashi would let himself be limited by a system he came up years ago. If he thinks of a cool power that doesn't 100% fit the established system, he will use it, even if it breaks some of the established rules. Hell, I would say that most of the powers that have been introduced since ending of the Yorkshin arc don't really into the system as it was explained during Heaven's arena.
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HerraS posted:Razor's devils are not conjured because they can fusion dance to become stronger, something that actual physical beings would find quite impossible To be fair, actual physical beings would also find it impossible to suck up literally anything into an infinite pocket dimension, but Shizuru's Blinky is still Conjuration.
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