G0RF posted:

I've honestly considered setting up a blog for the Pro Tier participants here to do just that. Something slick, mobile-friendly, with easy subject tagging, timeline tools and other useful organizational tools that present and cross-reference data in easy-to-read ways.

I don't want to do it alone because I've got a family, hobbies and life outside of this and there's so much to unearth it would be another full time job. But there is so much intelligence buried in this thread and we all take for granted the Scam Citizen narrative as obviously true because, in the course of all the shitposts, photoshop jobs, funny videos, animated gifs and Sperg flame-ups, we've absorbed so much actual Intel that we can't help but see the macro disaster at work and the dishonest dealings that power CIG's money machine. As I wrote to Mirificus recently, there is so much gold buried in this and earlier threads, and it could easily be unearthed, separated from the dross, and made available online.

It seems to me in the public interest that we put our intelligence to good use-- whether journalistically, satirically, or otherwise-- for the sake of removing scales from the eyes of those blinded by the light of this incredible lie. I sometimes write effort posts like the aforementioned for this very reason, even though I do so expecting it will only reach a few people, if that. I believe it is morally good to shine light on corruption, to hold liars to account for their lies, to enlighten the deluded and suckered.

Derek Smart does this-- yet he does it in a self-serving way and his notorious reputation makes him so very easy for many to dismiss. He certainly has his own agenda and it's a self-interested one. When he says he wants to hold Chris and Sandi to account, you can't help but think he wants them to beg for mercy and profess their great sins of referring to him as a terrible developer and the rest. He deserves credit, ample credit, for what he has done and continues to do to expose the corruption. But the Star Citizen faithful have antibodies that immediately attack anything he says before it can reach their brains and change their minds. That is a hinderance and when he DOES break stories, the Gaming Media always frames their articles in another "Derek Smart Vs Chris & Sandi narrative" and, in the process, poisons the well.

The Gaming Media is cowardly, incurious, and driven largely to seek their short term economic reward of maximizing clicks and pop-ups and minimizing resource costs. They will sooner write 100 articles about "Check out these Fallout 4 mods that let you turn deathclaws into Randy Savage!" than one real piece of investigative journalism about Star Citizen. Even though it would be so, so easy because CIG's public record is bursting at the seams with smoking guns, mostly in the forms of their written or spoken statements.

I love this thread and like/respect a great many here and I'm certainly not seeking to take anything away from it by proposing this idea. I just think we often sit around waiting for someone -- a journalist, Derek Smart, whoever -- to say something about this mess. Then we delight in the convulsions produced and we hope (usually futilely) for the Gaming Media to act. Meanwhile, the great CIG fleecing machine lumbers on.

We know the truth. We have the data. We have distinct voices and often hilarious insights. Why don't we put it to use? Not for our own aggrandizement, not for advertising dollars, but simply because a great wrong is underway? If we can't stop it, we can at least document it for the sake of those likely to be harmed by it. It truly is a moral wrong. Whether or not the Gaming Press ever wakes up, we are awake. The dream is a nightmare, and if we can wake the sleepers with the unfortunate truth, shouldn't we?

EightAce posted:

So, you are now seeing the huge foot in mouth plus the lovely drip feed of cutback promises. You are now seeing sq42 taking centre stage.
I am at a meeting shortly and will report all I know later. ........But I think I've been caught. Ttfn

redwalrus posted:

lol

EightAce posted:

So, you are now seeing the huge foot in mouth plus the lovely drip feed of cutback promises. You are now seeing sq42 taking centre stage.
I am at a meeting shortly and will report all I know later. ........But I think I've been caught. Ttfn

Nicholas posted:

look its just your opinion that croberts was annoyed in that video when he literally said he was annoyed by people asking him the question that he was answering that very moment. it's very much up to interpretation q.e.d

G0RF posted:

Alright gents, this is a bloody long Effort Post that remains, despite considerable time spent, incomplete. But I figured it would be worth putting some of the key Star Marine dates into a single hyperlinked timeline. Forgive me in advance for minor errors. I know most of this isn't news to the Regulars here; my hope is to enlighten the casual visitors, particularly those who are skeptical of our skepticism. I may be overestimating the power of deductive reasoning here.

If so, drat you hopelessly irrational nerds!

Okay, here we go!

EightAce posted:

So, you are now seeing the huge foot in mouth plus the lovely drip feed of cutback promises. You are now seeing sq42 taking centre stage.
I am at a meeting shortly and will report all I know later. ........But I think I've been caught. Ttfn

D_Smart posted:

That was fantastic!!

For those who may not have access to SA or who don't wish to even be caught dead browsing here, I just spent a good many minutes doing a version on my website. I think you will approve.

EightAce posted:

So, you are now seeing the huge foot in mouth plus the lovely drip feed of cutback promises. You are now seeing sq42 taking centre stage.
I am at a meeting shortly and will report all I know later. ........But I think I've been caught. Ttfn

Timby posted:

Scams people out of millions of dollars, mis-manages the entire organization, can't deliver a product worth a poo poo?

Jimmy Haslam.

T.G. Xarbala posted:

They're also considering putting out new reasonably-priced "hobby starter" boxes for the price of what you'd normally pay for a single model. Which would be a tacit admission that their pricing structure is hosed up and predatory without actually having to change the prices on the actual single models they sell. All it took was the desperation of one mediocre-to-poor holiday season to realize they've been loving up badly. I doubt this is a sign of a major change in their corporate culture so it could go back to poo poo by the end of the year but it would be interesting if it didn't.

The GW Death Thread will probably just continue apace at any rate, since for former fans, a couple of good decisions don't make up for years of being burned.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Nope, that's the Santa Monica office. You can tell because they're playing on a $2000 Restoration Hardware table.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Honestly? Yeah. I thought it would be private servers. I guess the difference is that Chris is directly insulting their intelligence and generosity here instead of tangentially implying they're idiots.

He seriously hosed up here.

EightAce posted:

So, you are now seeing the huge foot in mouth plus the lovely drip feed of cutback promises. You are now seeing sq42 taking centre stage.
I am at a meeting shortly and will report all I know later. ........But I think I've been caught. Ttfn

Popcornicus posted:

Is this literally true?

Popcornicus posted:

Is this literally true?

D_Smart posted:

That was fantastic!!

For those who may not have access to SA or who don't wish to even be caught dead browsing here, I just spent a good many minutes doing a version on my website. I think you will approve.

Ravane posted:

Wait what the gently caress. DeadMau5 is a goon? Man... Respect.

Kilmers Elbow posted:

G0RF posted:

Wow. It's hilarious to me that its getting recirculated, Derek.

If I'd known it would end up on a couple of other sites and a reddit thread, I'd have labored longer on it. It would be a funny thing to end up on CIG's shitlist simply by compiling Chris' statements into a single timeline...

Berious posted:

Who is that? Also most importantly where does he stand on Doobie threads?

Nicholas posted:

look its just your opinion that croberts was annoyed in that video when he literally said he was annoyed by people asking him the question that he was answering that very moment. it's very much up to interpretation q.e.d

Thirsty Dog posted:

I know CIG kinda warps everyone's idea of what companies are like but for the love of god do not give Games Workshop money

fuzzknot posted:

Oh, I forgot. I began a scarf for Bootcha but have temporarily abandoned it while I work on a blanket for a friend's wife. I started the scarf, hosed it up, frogged it, began again, and now it's less than an inch long and sitting abandoned while I work on the blanket. The scarf IS Star Citizen. It's perfect. I'll have to get a picture of it.

Ravane posted:

He's a DJ who's into Mickey Mouse furry cosplay. And now a mod of GBS apparently.

G0RF posted:

Wow. It's hilarious to me that its getting recirculated, Derek.

If I'd known it would end up on a couple of other sites and a reddit thread, I'd have labored longer on it. It would be a funny thing to end up on CIG's shitlist simply by compiling Chris' statements into a single timeline...