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Those hobbit movies were so greenscreened to hell and back they were basically a cartoon, any discussion of framerate should keep that in mind. I'm so glad we're getting people pushing back against that sort of crap with movies like revenant and mad max, either of which I would loving love to see at a higher framerate.
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Rakthar posted:Post after post of "Hey guys I tried this new thing that was different than my prior experience and it was WEIRD" about motion smoothing / frame interpolation. Like literally, I went over to my parents house and they had a new tv and it had this newfangled new thing and I DIDNT LIKE IT, but then we turned it off, phew, crisis averted. Frame interpolation causes more input lag so its bad for bideo games
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Feb 2, 2016 22:10
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Don Lapre posted:Frame interpolation causes more input lag so its bad for bideo games Get this, not all videogames are affected by response time issues. With some of them, it doesn't matter. Then you can enjoy the smoothness with no downsides.
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Feb 2, 2016 22:29
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Pryor on Fire posted:Those hobbit movies were so greenscreened to hell and back they were basically a cartoon, any discussion of framerate should keep that in mind. I'm so glad we're getting people pushing back against that sort of crap with movies like revenant and mad max, either of which I would loving love to see at a higher framerate. This is how I felt. Peter Jackson went from building a third of Minas Tirith as a live set/ sticking Edoras on top of that hill/ hiring the New Zealand Army to march around in plate mail/ to green screening everything and that switch from doing everything in practical effects wherever possible to 'just free screen everything' is what made the hobbit trilogy seem so soulless and bland compared to LotR. If you compare the things he said behind the scenes of the first trilogy he's done an about face on all his principles.
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Feb 3, 2016 04:39
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Intel is doing that thing we expected them to do and cracking down on non-K Skylake overclocking, shocking and affecting probably factually zero people.
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Feb 4, 2016 12:49
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If anyone did a build around it i do not feel sorry for them.
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Feb 4, 2016 15:40
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Don Lapre posted:If anyone did a build around it i do not feel sorry for them. It's a BIOS update, anyway. So all they'd have to do is...not apply the update.
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Feb 4, 2016 15:46
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Don Lapre posted:If anyone did a build around it i do not feel sorry for them. Clocks are so drat high on the i3s this time around anyway, I don't think anyone is going to be too heartbroken.
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Feb 4, 2016 17:00
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Which is really interesting since multi-core gaming has yet to take off in any serious way. Make a gaming beast with whichever i3 you want and a huge graphics card.
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Feb 4, 2016 18:38
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Boiled Water posted:Which is really interesting since multi-core gaming has yet to take off in any serious way. Make a gaming beast with whichever i3 you want and a huge graphics card. There are games which requirea quad core cpu unless you futs with dlls
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Feb 4, 2016 18:53
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Don Lapre posted:There are games which requirea quad core cpu unless you futs with dlls Do they require the actual cores or is four threads sufficient in these cases?
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Feb 4, 2016 18:55
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Don Lapre posted:There are games which requirea quad core cpu unless you futs with dlls Some will quit themselves if they can't see four threads, because their developers are poo poo. Skylake i3s are all good for four threads. I don't know of any games that demand four physical cores.
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Feb 4, 2016 18:57
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Lovable Luciferian posted:Do they require the actual cores or is four threads sufficient in these cases? Most do not REQUIRE 4 cores, but will suffer without them.
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Feb 4, 2016 18:57
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Some will quit themselves if they can't see four threads, because their developers are poo poo. Skylake i3s are all good for four threads. Ahh, i was mistaken, i thought games like farcry 4 refused to run if they didn't see 4 actual cores, but its 4 threads. They wont run on a pentium dual core.
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HMS Boromir posted:Intel is doing that thing we expected them to do and cracking down on non-K Skylake overclocking, shocking and affecting probably factually zero people. People are angry about it because Intel a profit-oriented hardware company is not following the principles of free and open software.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Though in general it would be nice to have unrestricted everything where all hardware is like a development prototype that lets you
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I'm struggling to think of analagous products where the manufacturer either turns a blind eye or wink-and-nude supports consumers breaching their warrantee in a way that worst-case-scenario results in fires starting.
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Alchenar posted:I'm struggling to think of analagous products where the manufacturer either turns a blind eye or wink-and-nude supports consumers breaching their warrantee in a way that worst-case-scenario results in fires starting. Honestly their biggest concern is probably just the liability of anyone trying to claim in court that they passively endorse unsafe modifications to their hardware leading to fried chips/computers. Releasing a bios update that closes off the functionality seems kind of like the "least legally required effort" sort of avenue to take. As was already pointed out, all anyone has to do is just not install the update to keep their oc capability, but then it's more clear that you're not doing something they support.
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Alchenar posted:I'm struggling to think of analagous products where the manufacturer either turns a blind eye or wink-and-nude supports consumers breaching their warrantee in a way that worst-case-scenario results in fires starting. BUT MY FREE PERFORMANCE GAIN
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Feb 5, 2016 18:23
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let i hug posted:Honestly their biggest concern is probably just the liability of anyone trying to claim in court that they passively endorse unsafe modifications to their hardware leading to fried chips/computers. Intel has been making chips for almost half a century; has there even been a single lawsuit related to this?
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Mofabio posted:Intel has been making chips for almost half a century; has there even been a single lawsuit related to this? I don't think it's even likely that would happen through overclocking. Intel chips have been throttling or shutting themselves down for ages. There was a fair chunk of time where you could burn up an AMD CPU, though. vv Yeah, I did have it in my mind that someone might crank up the voltage, it's true that that could be pretty dodgy. There's also the problem of power delivery on crappy boards; I remember issues with Prescott overclocking and burning up VRMs, as well as more recently, AMD CPUs. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Feb 5, 2016 |
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Feb 5, 2016 19:48
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You can burn up an intel cpu with voltage pretty easily, if you are an idiot. But just cranking up multiplier or fsb, not a chance.
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Feb 5, 2016 20:02
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go3 posted:BUT MY FREE PERFORMANCE GAIN I mean in reality there's no point for normal computer users to overclock an i3 or i5 in a glorified email/office PC. If you are an ~enthusiast~ of the extreme  or engineering/physics simulation kind you will probably splurge anyway and get a *k processor (not that $80 extra over an office box CPU/mainboard is that much for the pro gamer market, considering you'll spend an additional $100-1000 on better graphics) or some workstation type thing.
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We also somehow have two platforms to choose from in the this-still-exists-somehow 2000 dollar tier and given how cheap the 5820k is there's arguments to be made for buying that over a 6700k, especially if you're going to do more than just gaming.
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Feb 5, 2016 20:33
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Shady strip-mall local computer shops overclocking cheap CPUs on cheap motherboards and selling to unsuspecting grandparents and small businesses.
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Which is why they started locking cpus in the pentium 1xxmhz days
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Don Lapre posted:Which is why they started locking cpus in the pentium 1xxmhz days lol even better, on PC CHIPS/Elitegroup motherboards
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blowfish posted:lol Oh god, the horror Anyone remember the stories of 486 boards with FAKE CACHE on them?
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ECS has had a few decent products, and their purple boards always smelled fruity. I built a ton of socket 462 ECS boards.
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Yea ECS wasn't really High End, but their cheap boards you got at Frys with a CPU for the price of the CPU, all have lasted the test of 5+ years so far on a few simple office level builds. They weren't feature filled by any means, but they did work. They even made a absolutely killer SLI Water-cooled GTX 9800GTX bundle back when that was killer bang for the buck right before the 200 series came out. So I will give them credit that they tried to break out from their cheap boards mold.
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There's a difference in context between overclocking being a thing that a tiny tiny fraction of your customer base does and anyone who even knows it's possibly is by definition aware of the risks, and it being advertised as a feature to a substantial chuck of the consumer market with the 'this invalidates your warranty' bit being in small print. Turning a blind eye to one is not the same as turning a blind eye to the other, especially when you've already explicitly divided your products so that there's a line which is safe from users being able to gently caress them up from their own stupidity.
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HalloKitty posted:Oh god, the horror That site was a bit of a rabbit hole today. It reminded me about my first PC (long time Mac user) that was an Athlon XP 1700+ on a purple Soltek VIA KT266A chipset. Was good enough to play a whole lot of Battlefield 1942 back in the day. 
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No Abit BP6  I had one of those, and like 4 of my college buddies did too.
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Bp6 /w 300a @ 504mhz celerons
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ASUS CUSL2-C with a 933 P3. My first PC built myself. I still have that thing next to my desk for all sorts of old Windows 98 goodness, but I last was messing with it, trying to get a SoundBlaster 16 PCI soundcard to work with some old games. Turns out I need a ISA version to do what I really need. Still, played everything on a PCI Voodoo Banshee before getting a Geforce 2 MX followed by a Geforce 3 Ti 500 that followed me to a P4 1.8Ghz build with an ASUS P4T-E then a P4T533-C when the -E died... It now has a AGP Vodoo Banshee for real Glide games and runs a hell of a lot better. The PCI Banshee was great, but the PCI latency showed itself a ton on a 933 where on the previous P2 266 it was in, of course did not. I'm sort of sad that site sort of died around the 2001 era as the boards and adventures of Rambus RAM and DDR RAM as well as the chipsets and such were still pretty fun in the P4 days. I swear my P4 1.8ghz with 256MB Rambus still ran Windows XP at a sort of "spunkier" performance on a fresh install, then my P4 3.0 with a ASUS P4P800 and up to 2GB DDR 400. The 1.8 only was replaced as a friend of ours needed a work PC upgrade, and I had experimented with a old Voodoo 2 I had gotten and put it on the slot directly below the Ti 500. The Ti ended up cooking its fan and dying, and the AGP slot never seemed to be the same again. It always seemed like any game you played, even with 60+FPS at the time, had a sort of momentary slowdown/lag that made pretty much any game unplayable. (The Scene would move smoothly, but like in steps __|__|__|__|__ when it should have just been a smooth _______ Transition as far as FPS was concerned..) It couldn't play games even with a new Ti 4200 or Ti 4600 at the time, but it ran business apps like a champ up until the users inevitably got a virus again, and again.
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The day my PCI Banshee nuked itself was a sad day. The replacement SiS piece of poo poo was in-unarguably a bringer of worse days. Eventually a friend took pity on me and gave me a Voodoo 3 I still have in a box somewhere, but that was of course quite a while afterwards.
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sincx posted:I miss my Celeron 300A oc'ed to 450 MHz (with scotch tape on the clock selector pin) on a PCChips motherboard. That thing was surprisingly solid and ran for a good 4-5 years. These celerons were great value for money.
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EdEddnEddy posted:ASUS CUSL2-C with a 933 P3. That drat thing outlasted plenty of P4s in overall usability, thanks to the multiprocessing. I actually refused to upgrade for a long while when Intel disabled the GTL+ lines on the consumer CPUs, preventing people to do multiprocessing on the cheap. Then the AthlonX2 came and slowly kicked off multiprocessing for the consumers again.
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