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Mexican Deathgasm posted:I think that I am going to continue on with this thread, I am just going to make jokes and vote for the most entertaining options. My favorite parts of Enki's life were when he did things like spare no expense to get his dog laid, or dance to try to communicate with snake people. Jorah needs to do things like build a chariot out of a giant skull and enter races, or learn the Mighty power of disguise and become the world's first drag queen. This is honestly the exact opposite of what attracts me to this game, and one of the main reasons I couldn't get through Land Between Rivers, I don't mind silly poo poo happening, but stuff like the dance incident just make me really not care. The amusement comes from the *break* from an otherwise serious character, its what made telling ish that we'd named Kavodel Ishland amusing. Doing stuff cause "lol, funny" is just... bland. There are plenty of sources for that that are less compelling to explore. Not trying to tell people how to have fun, I'll probably follow the game regardless of what happens, but I have a strong preference towards the dramatic.
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Diogines posted:I agree 100%. I spend time GMing but you spend time playing and that is an investment too. I agree. We all play this game together and your investment of time counts. I think you've convinced me. As much as I love Enkidel, there's just too many things broken for him to work anymore. It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into preventing some of the same issues coming up again. The lack of closure is still pretty rough, but I understand your reasons, and we were warned beforehand that that was the price of failure. I'm still a little apprehensive about how hard it might be to find answers to all the big questions from this perspective, but I'll take your word for it that opportunities to learn about such things are out there. The only other thing that is going to be tough for me is living without Snarls.  Diog can we get a puppy? Pretty Please? It won't be the same but it might help take the edge off
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Rahul posted:I think you've convinced me. As much as I love Enkidel, there's just too many things broken for him to work anymore. It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into preventing some of the same issues coming up again. The lack of closure is still pretty rough, but I understand your reasons, and we were warned beforehand that that was the price of failure. Nah. Get a pet, but not a dog. Snarls Barkley is Best Dog and anything else will be a downgrade. Also, keep in mind that without a mighty soul-link, it's going to die very early into our lifespan. The new pet won't be Snarls, it'll be Monkey.
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Ah thanks  That means a lot from you, mister actual artist person.In my head I imagine the artstyle of the Donut as Byzantine, in contrast to the austere Sumerianism of the Lands of Zepa. Not so much decadent, but more willing to put the divine in human form.  Smattias demands redress from those who have transgressed the law of El.  Depiction of Labaras, with purple cloak to signify eminence, in a sacked and abandoned temple.
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I am so stoked to play Judah. And I think Enkidel ascended at the end but lost his mind, forced to act on a sort of instinct. I bet he continues blessing that which is recognized as his too... he just doesn't really grasp that. Ironically, Enkidel became the god battery in the end
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Ok given the strong majority who want to see Enkidel's story continue, I think the right solution is obvious. Two threads: Anti-authority gently caress the world types play Judah, a man with almost nobody to answer to. Enkidel die hards/true friends of snarls play Enkidel. Everyone wins (except Dio's life). Everyone commits to only taking part in one thread. We even get to have thread interactions down the line! Dio, provide stem cells so we may commence cloning operations please.
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Feb 16, 2016 11:25
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Majestic posted:Ok given the strong majority who want to see Enkidel's story continue, I think the right solution is obvious. Diog considered and almost did two games once. He decided he enjoyed not being devoured by rioting capybaras
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Scrree posted:Ah thanks This is a super good idea, never really thought about the art style of the donut.
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Feb 16, 2016 11:37
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I would imagine a lot of art would be photorealistic, or near to it. Tudiya made as-real-as-life statues, so a painter Mighty Man should be able to make photographs. On the other hand if they were so inclined they could also probably make absolutely mind-loving optical illusions or other intentionally 'unrealistic' art pieces that challenge the mortal mind or blast concepts straight into the brain through sheer perfection.
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Majestic posted:Ok given the strong majority who want to see Enkidel's story continue, I think the right solution is obvious. Cmon man it's almost tax time.
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Just read through the last 6 months of updates, about time. Nothing of Value Was Lost, bring on Judah! Can't wait for his mind and social life to be torn apart by a cacophony of dissenting voices  .
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Mexican Deathgasm posted:I think this thread would be a lot more fun if we cared less about "winning" and more about building a funny and entertaining narrative. Enki spent his life wasting massive amounts of time trying to learn things. I think if we tallied it up, we'd find only about one or two percent of the thousands of questions people posted were answered in a meaningful way. How about when some shithead NPC starts hinting that they know many things and are more than what they seem or whatever, we vote to flip them off and go learn how to juggle anvils or something? At least then when Jorah dies without learning or accomplishing anything, he'll at least have had a fun life instead of being confused, frustrated and ashamed all the time. Just let the story happen if it happens and find ways to entertain ourselves in the meanwhile. People just need to let go of their bullshit and let the story happen, I agree. I really respect the_steve's response a little bit ago: the_steve posted:More than anything, I'm upset that Enkidel gets nothing. No epilogue, no closure. Hell, I could have sworn that when he got taken up the mountain in the retcon, the posters who voted to go along with it got something. the_steve is upset about the ending, and people have every right to be upset about it. - but he's upset and stepping away from it due to his displeasure. People need to not bring down the thread though with constant posts about how awful this is and what bullshit it is that Diogines hates us all and made a cop out ending, or how there's no way Judah will ever be fun because ELLLLL - just give things a drat chance to get off the ground before we all begin the pissing and moaning again. If people can't help but piss and moan about their stupid petty bullshit, (we're goons, I get it, it is our way), then maybe people should consider stepping away from the thread for a bit. I think we've all forgotten that this is supposed to be fun and a game. Let it be fun and a game.
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Welp, I helped kill a demigod nutcase ... maybe? ... So that's a thing. I think I'm done. Thanks for the story, Diog. Even though we killed Enkidel can we see the sealed ending from before?
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Some of the coolest parts of this game were the ELLLLLLL parts though so I don't quite understand what people deal is with it being part of the new story Examples include beating the Zviv to death, Temple City, House of El, Jobe slow roasting a Minotaur during Ibleam and of course battle prep/arts and crafts with the Giants I mean obviously not to a sycophantic level but he is the grandson of the guy who surfed a siege tower while proclaiming El as King of the world e: SerSpook posted:And I think Enkidel ascended at the end but lost his mind, forced to act on a sort of instinct. I bet he continues blessing that which is recognized as his too... he just doesn't really grasp that. This is possibly a legitimate theory as to what Asherah is alpaca diseases fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Task Manager posted:the_steve is upset about the ending, and people have every right to be upset about it. - but he's upset and stepping away from it due to his displeasure. People need to not bring down the thread though with constant posts about how awful this is and what bullshit it is that Diogines hates us all and made a cop out ending, or how there's no way Judah will ever be fun because ELLLLL - just give things a drat chance to get off the ground before we all begin the pissing and moaning again. If people can't help but piss and moan about their stupid petty bullshit, (we're goons, I get it, it is our way), then maybe people should consider stepping away from the thread for a bit. I think we've all forgotten that this is supposed to be fun and a game. Let it be fun and a game. Mostly, I was trying to bargain, because not knowing is seriously driving me up the wall, and I honestly have no reason to believe any other character is going to actually learn the truth. If anybody, it'd be Ash of Jobe who stood a chance at trying, but again, I would never be ok with hijacking them as characters. I mean, regardless, I never had any intention of loving up the game (I respect Diog way too much as a storyteller/writer to do that), but I have no real interest in playing Judah at this point (I've got too much wrapped up in Enkidel, and again, I don't believe for a second that Judah is going to learn the truth. He's going to have some big drat adventures, but he isn't going to learn anything on the scale Enkidel could have), I just want to know the truth about Enkidel and Ishamal and all of those mysteries the_steve fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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It is a tad frustrating that we didn't even get one big reveal per year. The only big thing we confirmed is that we're half-melachim. We don't even know who Ashera is, what's up with Jalitha, how spirits work, who El is, how territory works, what happened in the ancient past, where the gently caress Zepa is, about Ish, what ??? is, or basically anything else. Sigh. BUT. That being said. Once we get our collective grousing out of our system, all we can do is accept that we're not getting answers and plunge head-first into Judah. So in the name of fun it behooves all of us to leave our frustrations in this thread and approach Judah for what he/it is, a fresh start. I have faith we can do this, goons. We can put everything else to the side and have fun busting skulls in the donut! We may have gotten really cranky at each other over Enki, but as long as we revert to our goat-loving problem solving origins for Judah it'll all be OK!  Snuls would want us to have fun! v Also this
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I don't understand the connection that some posters keep making between time investment and deserving a reward. The amount of time we spent on the game is irrelevant to what we deserve as players. We reached a fail state, and it shouldn't matter whether that took one day or 20 years to get there.
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There Bias Two posted:I don't understand the connection that some posters keep making between time investment and deserving a reward. The amount of time we spent on the game is irrelevant to what we deserve as players. We reached a fail state, and it shouldn't matter whether that took one day or 20 years to get there. I get what you are saying, but surely you can understand how it is more frustrating to not get a payoff the longer you have been at something?
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There Bias Two posted:I don't understand the connection that some posters keep making between time investment and deserving a reward. The amount of time we spent on the game is irrelevant to what we deserve as players. We reached a fail state, and it shouldn't matter whether that took one day or 20 years to get there. Because most people engage in something entertaining do so to get some sort of satisfaction. Imagine reading the entire lord of the Rings series only to find the last section of the book blank. Yeah, reading the book was entertaining but a lot of people aren't going to be satisfied with that. Some video games have hardcore modes that erase all progress on a single death. Not everyone likes that and people who don't are going to be upset when they get to the blank page after being all in for almost three years.
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Arkanomen posted:Because most people engage in something entertaining do so to get some sort of satisfaction. Imagine reading the entire lord of the Rings series only to find the last section of the book blank. Yeah, reading the book was entertaining but a lot of people aren't going to be satisfied with that. Some video games have hardcore modes that erase all progress on a single death. Not everyone likes that and people who don't are going to be upset when they get to the blank page after being all in for almost three years. Sure, that may be true, but it's been said many, many times that we were playing this game on hardcore mode, so I don't understand the outright attacks on the game design when this has been the case from the start. So what if it's been three years? I could spend three years playing the tutorial level of a game, but that doesn't mean I've earned the right to see all the cut scenes when I die on the first mission.
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I really like how my post about letting go and starting over and hippie poo poo has spawned a new argument. Go me.
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FoxTerrier posted:I really like how my post about letting go and starting over and hippie poo poo has spawned a new argument. I agree with it
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maxhush posted:Some of the coolest parts of this game were the ELLLLLLL parts though so I don't quite understand what people deal is with it being part of the new story Just chiming in to say that Last Stand at the Temple of Ibleam was and still is my favourite part of the whole game. Diogines posted:Ready to go fishing, one last time?
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Arkanomen posted:Because most people engage in something entertaining do so to get some sort of satisfaction. Imagine reading the entire lord of the Rings series only to find the last section of the book blank. Yeah, reading the book was entertaining but a lot of people aren't going to be satisfied with that. Some video games have hardcore modes that erase all progress on a single death. Not everyone likes that and people who don't are going to be upset when they get to the blank page after being all in for almost three years. You and others have made this LOTR comparison before. The difference is that Diogines never claimed to be telling us the heroic tale of Enkidel, savior of Ur, and then just up and never finished the story. He's claimed multiple times to be running a world simulation in which we play a character with a "unique vantage point". It's in the first post ever: Diogines posted:You are.... Not the hero, not the guy who will save everyone - just a being with a unique viewpoint of the world simulation. quote:WELCOME TO THE GAME! It's one thing to be upset if a novel promises on the front cover that you'll get a fun story with a satisfying conclusion, and the author doesn't deliver. It's another thing entirely to be upset when the front cover states that the ending is not predetermined and could go anywhere, and then at the end it doesn't meet your expectations so you feel screwed over. You started reading the book after having read the cover, that's on you. Task Manager fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Skellybones posted:I would imagine a lot of art would be photorealistic, or near to it. Tudiya made as-real-as-life statues, so a painter Mighty Man should be able to make photographs. On the other hand if they were so inclined they could also probably make absolutely mind-loving optical illusions or other intentionally 'unrealistic' art pieces that challenge the mortal mind or blast concepts straight into the brain through sheer perfection. Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I have a goal for Judah.
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Poldarn posted:Just chiming in to say that Last Stand at the Temple of Ibleam was and still is my favourite part of the whole game. I still get goosebumps reading that. Listening to Uriah worked that time, despite Diog's warnings, it makes sense that people would believe that it would also work out this time. "As those around you yell and scream and most of them, in desperation lie about who are the relatives of King Ahaz in hopes that you will save them, Uriah yells loudly "THEN FLEE! BUT I WILL NOT! I WILL FIGHT! WHEN THEY TELL YOU THE STORIES OF THE VICTORY I WILL WIN THIS DAY YOU WILL KNOW YOURSELF A COWARD!" Three of your common Balls, who you know to be of a disposition similar to Uriah try to push the crowd away with their shields, one yells "WE WILL FIGHT! BUT WE NEED ROOM! GET BACK! GET BACK! CLEAR THE DOOR!" Eleazar the Adventurer, with an angry look in his eyes yells to you "Get out of here Enkidel! We will do what we can! Go!"" 42 votes to say, 39 to go. That was a close one. I wonder if people would be at each other throats if we had died, as Diog repeatedly warned us.
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Task Manager posted:You and others have made this LOTR comparison before. The difference is that Diogines never claimed to be telling us the heroic tale of Enkidel, savior of Ur, and then just up and never finished the story. He's claimed multiple times to be running a world simulation in which we play a character with a "unique vantage point". It's in the first post ever: I'm still upset with all those B voters who hosed up Angelgame. 
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Task Manager posted:You and others have made this LOTR comparison before. The difference is that Diogines never claimed to be telling us the heroic tale of Enkidel, savior of Ur, and then just up and never finished the story. He's claimed multiple times to be running a world simulation in which we play a character with a "unique vantage point". It's in the first post ever: Except this is a story game, not a world simulator. Diog is not a computer and as far as I know there's no consistent set of game rules that are being used. We don't know what our powers are most of the time or the powers of anything around us, we've never been taught the rules or controls of the game. It's a story that Diog is making up based on how he feels things should go, not a game based on internally consistent logic.
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Mexican Deathgasm posted:Except this is a story game, not a world simulator. Diog is not a computer and as far as I know there's no consistent set of game rules that are being used. We don't know what our powers are most of the time or the powers of anything around us, we've never been taught the rules or controls of the game. It's a story that Diog is making up based on how he feels things should go, not a game based on internally consistent logic. I agree, for the most part. Diogines definitely is making and telling a story here, and most readers expect a story to have a satisfying ending. I can understand being upset about the way the story ended - hell, I am upset at how it ended. All I'm saying is that our author never claimed that we would get a satisfying resolution, and that in fact he didn't know where the story would be a month after starting. To compare what he did to if Tolkien were to leave his trilogy off at at an unsatisfying cliffhanger is unfair to do. Tolkien promised one thing, Diogines another. Paradise Lost (this one, not Milton's) would make for an awful novel as is. The thing is, it isn't one, so we can't really be mad at him for giving us such an unsatisfying ending. He never promised one, for better or worse.
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I love that the brackets for "(or Aggro-gator)" bracket the pecs perfectly. Paradise Lost II: Paradise Losterer
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