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Antifreeze Head posted:Yes. Just one and exactly one. The Red Badge of Courage by Stephen Crane an odd place to start and leave off, i'll grant you
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Antifreeze Head posted:Yes. Just one and exactly one. I think you're giving her a lot of credit if you think she more than skimmed that one.
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Feb 20, 2016 19:56
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I couldn't watch it because it's vertical.
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Alaois posted:The Red Badge of Courage by Stephen Crane I mean, that's sure as hell the only lesson I got from that book
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Inzombiac posted:I have a friend who is completely normal and very nice but 100% believes that dinosaurs are made up to increase attendance in failing museums. Allegedly there is a cabal or conspiracy of scientists that have duped the entire world into visiting their showcase for $10 or free on Tuesdays. What if museums were made up to hold dinosaur bones? conspiracy_keanu.png
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Tetracube posted:
Somebody added me to this group recently, I'm honestly not sure if it is a piss-take or not. I was also going to post this video there.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:24
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CommonShore posted:Whenever I see something like that I want to sincerely ask where their information comes from. The concept of dinosaurs antedates fossils? What? My favorite part about that is, so what? If anything that would prove scientists were on the ball. They came up with a hypothesis - she doesn't explain where the idea for dinosaurs came from if not from fossils, but we'll allow it anyway for the broader point I'm making - and then evidence emerged that elevated the credibility of said hypothesis. Eventually enough evidence emerged to make it accepted as a true and accurate account of Earth's distant past. That is literally how science works. If this is what actually happened it should only reinforce someone's appreciation of science as an effective predictive tool! Far more importantly, however, is that someone who believes dinosaurs were a hoax lives in a world where rad  as gently caress fights between Triceratops, and poo poo getting Thagomized by Stegosaurs, is not a part of reality. Why the gently caress even live?
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Feb 20, 2016 21:31
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Mister Adequate posted:My favorite part about that is, so what? If anything that would prove scientists were on the ball. They came up with a hypothesis - she doesn't explain where the idea for dinosaurs came from if not from fossils, but we'll allow it anyway for the broader point I'm making - and then evidence emerged that elevated the credibility of said hypothesis. Eventually enough evidence emerged to make it accepted as a true and accurate account of Earth's distant past. Exactly, we were sure gravitational waves existed about a hundred years before we were able to detect them. Scientists are pretty clever, which is what bothers me about the various anti-science and conspiracy groups. A bunch of vapid morons spend an hour googling, and think they know more than fields of people who have decades of research and experience behind them.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:38
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Fashionable Jorts posted:. A bunch of vapid morons spend an hour googling, and think they know more than fields of people who have decades of research and experience behind them. Pretends I'm shouting "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY" like logical fallacies are harry potter spells and that anyone outside of debate club gives a gently caress about them
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It's not even inaccurate to say the concept of dinosaurs came before the first fossil evidence. Practically every culture on earth has legends about giant beasts that are a pretty close match to the description of dinosaurs. Of course, those probably came from ancient fossil findings before anybody knew what they were. You find something like this on the side of a cliff wall that has been on dry land since the time of your grandfather's grandfather, a winged serpent isn't that much of a stretch:   Holy poo poo, look at that gnarly thing. It's all black, too. Fucker probably breathed fire.  And this mastodon skull sure as hell looks like it belonged to a giant dude with one eye.
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Feb 20, 2016 22:10
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I don't think I heard a word she said, I couldn't take my mind off of her terrible hair. It certainly doesn't look intelligently designed.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Exactly, we were sure gravitational waves existed about a hundred years before we were able to detect them. Scientists are pretty clever, which is what bothers me about the various anti-science and conspiracy groups. A bunch of vapid morons spend an hour googling, and think they know more than fields of people who have decades of research and experience behind them. Personally, the best evidence I see of there really being a God with a mysterious plan is that he allows for scientific advancements that keep people alive longer and in greater numbers while at the same time, recognizing the need for people to die as to not bump up against the carry capacity of the planet, keeps in place a system preventing some people from ever accessing those advancements and above and beyond that makes some people so blindingly stupid that they recuse themselves from those scientific breakthroughs.
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I've got to ask because when this argument comes up I feel like I'm the crazy one. if you discriminate against people for being white and/or male, it still counts as racism and/or sexism right? The definitions don't magically change just because the context of the usage is so infinitesimally incomparable, right? Am I wrong? Am I being racist and misogynistic simply by being a pedant?
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Zzulu posted:The thing with the first 3 spiderman movies is that they were all bad. Very bad movies
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Choco1980 posted:I've got to ask because when this argument comes up I feel like I'm the crazy one. if you discriminate against people for being white and/or male, it still counts as racism and/or sexism right? The definitions don't magically change just because the context of the usage is so infinitesimally incomparable, right? Am I wrong? Am I being racist and misogynistic simply by being a pedant? It's a long and complex argument but as I understand it racism and sexism require someone to be in a position to exert power over another. It's still bigoted either way though.
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Choco1980 posted:I've got to ask because when this argument comes up I feel like I'm the crazy one. if you discriminate against people for being white and/or male, it still counts as racism and/or sexism right? The definitions don't magically change just because the context of the usage is so infinitesimally incomparable, right? Am I wrong? Am I being racist and misogynistic simply by being a pedant? A lot of the people who disagree with stuff like that are confusing racism in general with systemic racism. It's possible to be prejudiced against any race obviously, but there's a difference between one guy in particular versus society as a whole doing the discrimination. So generally when someone says "racism is prejudice plus power", they're talking about systemic racism. America isn't racist against whites, but your Chinese grandma who moved to America might still distrust everyone who isn't Chinese, and yes she is being racist.
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RagnarokAngel posted:It's a long and complex argument but as I understand it racism and sexism require someone to be in a position to exert power over another. It's still bigoted either way though. It just seems to me that sexism is the neutral word and why we have words like misogyny and misandry to specify. I don't have the right words for it but "reverse racism" always sounded like an oxymoron to me as well.
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Feb 21, 2016 01:31
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"Don't shave yer vag because then you'll only attract pedophiles." As if woman flash their snatch around to attract men.
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Choco1980 posted:It just seems to me that sexism is the neutral word and why we have words like misogyny and misandry to specify. I don't have the right words for it but "reverse racism" always sounded like an oxymoron to me as well. "Reverse racism" is what you say when you're so racist that you refuse to share plain ol' "Racism" with the coloreds.
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Patchwork Shaman posted:"Reverse racism" is what you say when you're so racist that you refuse to share plain ol' "Racism" with the coloreds. Separate but equal racism.
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Clitch posted:That is what the separation of powers means. Yes. Unfortunately, legislators of today are so bugnuts crazy and unbeholdened to their duties that they couldn't get a constitutional convention together even if they wanted to and, assuming they did manage that, whatever they'd produce would invariably be worse for everyone. 
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Feb 21, 2016 02:13
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"You look like a man if you don't shave your legs."
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Scathach posted:"Don't shave yer vag because then you'll only attract pedophiles." Maybe it blocks the pedophile attracting aromas from escaping. Warn the others this is big.
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Scathach posted:As if woman flash their snatch around to attract men. Depends on what trailer park you're in.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Maybe it blocks the pedophile attracting aromas from escaping. Warn the others this is big. It's simple, men can smell pubes.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Maybe it blocks the pedophile attracting aromas from escaping. Warn the others this is big. Oh! So that's why there are so many panel vans near the local waxing parlor. Boy, are those creeps in for a surprise!
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I wonder what's the logic behind that argument. Jealousy? They can't/won't shave their own cooch so they decide to judge every other woman that does? Or maybe they just have a really gross pubic area, somebody commented about it, and they're bitter?
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Feb 21, 2016 19:27
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Panfilo posted:I wonder what's the logic behind that argument. Jealousy? They can't/won't shave their own cooch so they decide to judge every other woman that does? Or maybe they just have a really gross pubic area, somebody commented about it, and they're bitter? A big feminist argument is that shaving down there infantilizes women, which is a chief issue of how women have been treated for centuries. As a woman I don't agree but I can see where they're coming from.
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I've heard the same argument for shaving legs and beneath arms. But I don't wanna feel itchy and smell worse, so chalk in one for the patriarchy this round.
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I'm gonna guess it's mostly jealousy from the gross women that call themselves feminists but actually don't give a poo poo about actual equality as long as the rest of the women act like they "should". Seems like they overlap with the women that don't want other women choosing to be housewives.
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RagnarokAngel posted:A big feminist argument is that shaving down there infantilizes women, which is a chief issue of how women have been treated for centuries. I have also heard it described as "the pornographication of sexuality."
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Panfilo posted:I wonder what's the logic behind that argument. Jealousy? They can't/won't shave their own cooch so they decide to judge every other woman that does? Or maybe they just have a really gross pubic area, somebody commented about it, and they're bitter? There are a few arguments (in addition to the others that have been mentioned), but another one is "gently caress you, don't tell me how my body "should" look", because there absolutely are men (and women) who get crazy judgemental at women who dare to have anything other than a full Brazilian, usually using the flawless argent that "it's gross". So then in response to pressure to look a certain way, these women do a full 180 and actually end up becoming just as judgemental and bitchy about the people they're complaining about. Fwiw, I've absolutely seen mad harsh judgement to the point of actual anger on both sides, from people with pubes and without. It's one of those issues that I wish everyone would just shut up about and agree to disagree, but that won't happen because people etc.
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That's why third wave is the best version of feminism, ska and street fighter III.
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Bertrand Hustle posted:I couldn't get through the video because of the constant teeth-sucking and cringing. She cringes every few seconds like someone just said something really stupid and she's too polite to say anything about it. *sucks teeth* Yeah it's a really grating habit to have *cringes* and it makes her look incredibly condescending *sucks teeth* which doesn't help her case at all because instead of listening to her, *cringes* I'm just consumed by the desire to kick her rear end. *cringe*
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Whitlam posted:There are a few arguments (in addition to the others that have been mentioned), but another one is "gently caress you, don't tell me how my body "should" look", because there absolutely are men (and women) who get crazy judgemental at women who dare to have anything other than a full Brazilian, usually using the flawless argent that "it's gross". So then in response to pressure to look a certain way, these women do a full 180 and actually end up becoming just as judgemental and bitchy about the people they're complaining about. I think it was on SA where some kid started his comment with "Now that women have evolved hairless pubes..." Anyone else remember that?
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CommonShore posted:I have also heard it described as "the pornographication of sexuality." That does make some sense though. Expectations about female genitalia come from porn,where younger look is preferred, so they shave. It's the same with uneven labia, which is not seen in pro, which is now the cause for women having surgery to make their labia more appealing. This isn't an argument for or against porn, just about how it played on our expectations of how a body should look.
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Men, stop shaving your beards, you'll only attract pedophiles.
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Whitlam posted:There are a few arguments (in addition to the others that have been mentioned), but another one is "gently caress you, don't tell me how my body "should" look", because there absolutely are men (and women) who get crazy judgemental at women who dare to have anything other than a full Brazilian, usually using the flawless argent that "it's gross". So then in response to pressure to look a certain way, these women do a full 180 and actually end up becoming just as judgemental and bitchy about the people they're complaining about. This is a real problem in general. Everything has swung so far in the other direction, that anyone who does choose to follow traditional beauty standards (which is stupid because poo poo like body hair changes from time period to time period and culture to culture) get really poo poo on. I know a fair number of serious cosplayers, and for a long time there has been a movement to be body positive, and acceptance of anyone with any body shape cosplaying anyone. The problem now is the ones that were once marginalized based on their looks are making GBS threads all over ones who are more conventionally attractive. The body hair thing is weird. You can find it attractive or not attractive, that's fine, but you don't have the right to tell someone to shave or not to shave, that's their choice. But one the flipside, you can't go and get upset that someone didn't find you attractive because of your body hair, becuase no one is guaranteed to find you attractive. Is not finding someone attractive somehow infringing on their rights? In no way, but Jesus christ some people get upset if someone doesn't.
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So where do feminists stand on bleaching anuses?
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