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The Saurus posted:Instead of protesting shutting down a political rally for disaffected working class people who disagree with them. Just start doing it. The only place that would provide food here was church run. A couple guys decided to start giving out food, in violation of city law. Turns out a lot of people support them and the city council ended up changing the law about giving away food. And now there are a bunch of people that come down to help and bring their own food.
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If you REALLY want to help a desperately poor person, explain to me how to set up a paypal account to receive money, then give it money.
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Mar 13, 2016 08:20
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Jewel Repetition posted:If you REALLY want to help a desperately poor person, explain to me how to set up a paypal account to receive money, then give it money. How many pairs of pants do you need?
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Mar 13, 2016 08:21
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Bernice Anders posted:How many pairs of pants do you need? Well I own three but it's enough for now. I'd mostly be using it for food, toiletries and gas.
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Mar 13, 2016 08:22
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taqueso posted:Just start doing it. The only place that would provide food here was church run. A couple guys decided to start giving out food, in violation of city law. Turns out a lot of people support them and the city council ended up changing the law about giving away food. And now there are a bunch of people that come down to help and bring their own food. I'd do it but I have to work to earn money and support my family. I was mostly talking about the kind of professional protestors or twitter warriors who have nothing else to do all day. Jewel Repetition posted:Well I own three but it's enough for now. I'd mostly be using it for food, toiletries and gas. How about I send you a nice pair of BOOTSTRAPS?
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Mar 13, 2016 16:50
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The Saurus posted:I'd do it but I have to work to earn money and support my family. I was mostly talking about the kind of professional protesters or twitter warriors who have nothing else to do all day. so the people involved in mass action now aren't part of that group? how are we deciding this, exactly, besides "whoever i don't like is lazy and doing nothing for working people"
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Mar 13, 2016 17:19
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:ALSO: you dont have to be a communist to help support the legal defense funds of arrested anti-trump protesters Thanks to the support of over 1500 people, over $50,000 was raised in 36 hours to support the #TrumpRally and #ByeAnita protesters. Three people were released without monetary bonds. Two other protesters were charged with felonies and had bond set at $5,000 each. CCBF representatives will be posting these bonds in full later today, and Sergio and Sohaan will be released tonight. All unused funds will become part of the Chicago Community Bond Fund's General Fund and will be used to free people from the Cook County Jail. If you have any questions, please feel contact us at info@chicagobond.org. To learn more about our work, or sign up for our mailing list, please visit us at chicagobond.org.
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Mar 13, 2016 21:01
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Thanks to the support of over 1500 people, over $50,000 was raised in 36 hours to support the #TrumpRally and #ByeAnita protesters. sent 'em $50 and it's maybe the best money i've ever spent
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Mar 14, 2016 01:17
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I have a graduate level education in political science and have followed politics since I was like 14. I don't know poo poo about the PSL. I know they exist and are socialist but that's about it. Good luck finding a repressed working class voter who has heard of them. A viable third party needs people to know they er, exist. Sanders has done far more for leftism because he's pulled Clinton to the left and shown that you can call yourself a socialist and still contend for the democratic nomination. That's gonna be big down the road. What you all should be doing is helping solidify the people donating and volunteering for Bernie and using that base of support to help leftist candidates go after vulnerable democrats in congress, tea party style . That takes a lot more work than debating the finer points of Marxist theory on the Internet and setting your ballot on fire but it actually works. In all honesty it's almost impossible for the US to have a strong third party the way the system is set up. Google durverger's law
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Mar 14, 2016 04:50
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Bishop posted:I have a graduate level education in political science and have followed politics since I was like 14. I don't know poo poo about the PSL. I know they exist and are socialist but that's about it. Good luck finding a repressed working class voter who has heard of them. A viable third party needs people to know they er, exist. Sanders has done far more for leftism because he's pulled Clinton to the left and shown that you can call yourself a socialist and still contend for the democratic nomination. That's gonna be big down the road. What you all should be doing is helping solidify the people donating and volunteering for Bernie and using that base of support to help leftist candidates go after vulnerable democrats in congress, tea party style . Since voting is meaningless anyway you might as well do it in a way that allows you to be smug on the internet about it.
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Mar 14, 2016 04:56
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Vote Nader in 2000 because gore and bush are both corporate puppets. No chance this goes horribly wrong
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Mar 14, 2016 04:59
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The tea party is a great model for bernouts and other leftists. Combine it with a good media campaign and that base of support could make some waves. Unlike the tea party, if those types hijack the Democratic Party they won't realize after its too late that nobody knows how to fly the plane.
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Mar 14, 2016 05:08
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Bishop posted:Vote Nader in 2000 because gore and bush are both corporate puppets. No chance this goes horribly wrong This but unirionically!!!
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Mar 14, 2016 05:14
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The United States isn't going to have a third party any time soon but the world is riddled with counterexamples to Duverger's Law. The UK and Canada both have four major parties just off the top of my head. If it exists at all it's only as a conquerable tendency or as a stronger constraint on single electoral districts, which requires other factors to product the ironclad American party system. By my guess the most probable (still improbable) case for a third party in the US would be a white nationalist party concentrated in the South and East if the Republicans botch their handling of Trump.
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Mar 14, 2016 05:18
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Political scientists might have gone a little far when they started calling a law but it holds up very well when you get into the gritty details of electoral systems. The US is set up perfectly to hinder third parties. No PR anywhere, all gerrymandered first past the post elections, you're just going to naturally end up with two parties gunning for the median voter Problem is unless posting "full communism now" over and over again is enough, you have to work with the system in place.
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Mar 14, 2016 05:37
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Bishop posted:The tea party is a great model for bernouts and other leftists. Combine it with a good media campaign and that base of support could make some waves. Unlike the tea party, if those types hijack the Democratic Party they won't realize after its too late that nobody knows how to fly the plane. an equivalent left movement will get throttled to death in the crib. see: Wall Street, Occupy
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Mar 14, 2016 05:40
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Homework Explainer posted:an equivalent left movement will get throttled to death in the crib. see: Wall Street, Occupy
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Mar 14, 2016 05:52
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Bishop posted:occupy Wall Street was a walking stereotype of why you don't let stoned hippies be in charge of a movement. Incoherent and inconsistent messaging, bad image management, the works. What's funny is both Bernie and wait for it... Trump have tapped into the economic discontent of the American worker in their own way, and people eat it up. Occupy had that chance and got in at the worst part of the recession and hosed it up. Truly an example of why a vanguard party is a necessity and anarchism is an infantile fantasy.
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Mar 14, 2016 05:58
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Bishop posted:occupy Wall Street was a walking stereotype of why you don't let stoned hippies be in charge of a movement. Incoherent and inconsistent messaging, bad image management, the works. What's funny is both Bernie and wait for it... Trump have tapped into the economic discontent of the American worker in their own way, and people eat it up. Occupy had that chance and got in at the worst part of the recession and hosed it up. it was a secure place for homeless people to sleep and eat for free for several months. every internet liberal wanted to quarterback it, but when it came to preparing food or picking up trash...
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Mar 14, 2016 06:50
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Homework Explainer posted:an equivalent left movement will get throttled to death in the crib. see: Wall Street, Occupy The populist anger that led to OWS still exists and is now showing itself through Trump and Bernie. The exact form it takes may flare up and fade away but the reasons behind it don't.
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Mar 14, 2016 15:02
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Another reference for the left really needs to go back to the drawing board and can't just count on voting in parties 3rd party or otherwise theory tonight. I seriously don't know what the hell to do all the socialist parties near me and in my home state are/was on some dumb poo poo. Tempted to do it myself no clue where to start.
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Mar 16, 2016 02:22
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join the party for socialism and liberation and perhaps all you depressed bernard brothers will finally catch the chicken before president Hillary gets into world war 3
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Mar 16, 2016 02:51
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building workers' power ain't gonna happen in electoral politics, the best that can be done is piggybacking on the failures of left(ish) candidates. obama's capitulation to the ruling class, deliberate or otherwise, created a bunch of comrades (including me) and sanders losing will create even more join an org, get involved in direct action, never advocate for violence. R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2016 04:08
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Totes agreed. Me and a couple friends are gonna put together a couple fundraisers, I think.
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Mar 16, 2016 04:18
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When I was in college, the only lefty org around was the spartacist league. What're their bona-fides?
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Homework Explainer posted:join an org, get involved in direct action, never advocate for violence. why not? is it because most of the members are probably undercover guys from various govt agencies?
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The Saurus posted:why not? most? no. but even if your group is tiny chances are the fbi or other law enforcement has got someone there. their budget is practically unlimited. that's why it's good practice to explicitly never call for violent action and to suspect anyone who does. keeping that discipline is also great if you're not a fan of jail https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/03/fres-m07.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Darby it's also pointless to call for violence when historically revolution has been more a demonstration of overwhelming popular will than actual widespread bloodshed. goatse.cx posted:When I was in college, the only lefty org around was the spartacist league. What're their bona-fides? they're trots. it'd be nice to have them in a popular front but if you don't take the trot line on literally every 20th century socialist state they'll screech and accuse you of apostasy so i wouldn't join them or count on their camaraderie R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Peel posted:The United States isn't going to have a third party any time soon but the world is riddled with counterexamples to Duverger's Law. The UK and Canada both have four major parties just off the top of my head. If it exists at all it's only as a conquerable tendency or as a stronger constraint on single electoral districts, which requires other factors to product the ironclad American party system. That's not really true. On the union level there's two parties and then two well known minority parties which never ever win a useful amount of seats. If you're not Labour or Tory you cannot win state power, but you can once every fifty years play kingmaker. The situation is made worse because the union isn't even arranged in a federal model. Scotland is a single party country and always has been, but it's political life is subordinated to the dominant country to the south.
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Mar 16, 2016 05:27
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Bishop posted:A viable third party needs people to know they er, exist. Sanders has done far more for leftism because he's pulled Clinton to the left and shown that you can call yourself a socialist and still contend for the democratic nomination. T This is pretty laff because it's like saying you can do more for the church than priests do by pretending to be one and running for head of the Freedom From Religion Foundation
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HorseLord posted:That's not really true. On the union level there's two parties and then two well known minority parties which never ever win a useful amount of seats. If you're not Labour or Tory you cannot win state power, but you can once every fifty years play kingmaker. it's almost like anti-democratic rule sets like fptp are adopted...on purpose *strokes moustache stalinly*
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Mar 16, 2016 05:42
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I'm still wondering what "pulled hillary to the left" even means because all she's done this entire campaign so far is say repulsive things before stepping on rakes sideshow bob style
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Mar 16, 2016 05:46
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the desire to ascribe even one kernel of legitimacy to the american electoral system is strong. i struggled with it for a long time
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Mar 16, 2016 05:48
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Country clubs have a very high concentration of rich people at the right times and are for all intents and purposes, totally unguarded the perfect opportunity to distribute some pamphlets teaching them the error of their ways
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Mar 16, 2016 05:57
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The Saurus posted:Country clubs have a very high concentration of rich people at the right times and are for all intents and purposes, totally unguarded capitalists have a very cohesive class consciousness their only role is to be ground into dust or be abolished as a class 
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Mar 16, 2016 05:59
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re:violence, I'm gonna be honest I'd be a little disappointed if I turned 50 and still didn't know what banker tastes like
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Mar 16, 2016 06:21
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Mofabio posted:re:violence, I'm gonna be honest I'd be a little disappointed if I turned 50 and still didn't know what banker tastes like nothing's stopping you from finding out tomorrow
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Mofabio posted:re:violence, I'm gonna be honest I'd be a little disappointed if I turned 50 and still didn't know what banker tastes like dont worry, in hillarys america youll have plenty of bankers in your mouth
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Mofabio posted:re:violence, I'm gonna be honest I'd be a little disappointed if I turned 50 and still didn't know what banker tastes like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5o9WZYoC4
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Mar 16, 2016 06:33
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where can i get some good Marxist books that can be read on a Kindle by bourgeoise scum
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Wheeee posted:where can i get some good Marxist books that can be read on a Kindle by bourgeoise scum i never bothered actually figuring out how to port .pdf files to kindle but aaaaarg used to be a good resource though i bet it's dead now if you're thinking more like a reading list a bunch of marx is public domain and it wouldn't be hard to find lenin either. Former LF Mod mccaine put together a good list i can post here but it's pretty long and therefore daunting
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