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MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Toops posted:

I would like to see beet come back. I like that AV, but I miss your old one.

If only SA allowed for unmelts. Hey wait a minute... :tinfoil:

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MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
AV choices matter.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
Lowtax needs to make Dr Smart a mod again so he can probate these people who get salty and sass him in his thread for mod sass.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.


They probably just set their cfg files wrong and forgot to delete their USER directory.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

G0RF posted:

One of the biggest unknowns right now is CIG's cash position. We've heard they're flush with cash (EightAce) and that they're nearly out (Derek).

We have no line of sight into this matter-- only gossip, and the gossip is contrary.

What we do have-- imperfect as it is-- is a possible means of gauging revenue via their Stretch Goals tracker. And we've watched that pretty closely for a long time-- trying to make guesses about any emerging trends, wondering when we might see capitulation, curious about whether splitting their IP into two sellable assets would be accretive or destructive.

We've also made guesses, Beer most specifically I think, about monthly overhead costs for the entire operation(s). It's hard to believe it's less than $100k a day (~$3M a month).

Recent sales have been lackluster to alarming. Demand refuses to be sustained over the durations of past glory sales. Even without elective spending on $15,000 coffee machines, upgraded international airfare, and new MoCap shoots (already rumored to be running at 12x their original budget) -- CIG may be entering a time of relative famine.

This is why the question of "How much cash do they have?" is especially interesting. Because if they're running on empty, then a bankruptcy or distressed sale is potentially right around the corner. If they're fat with some unknown investor cash, then some shortfall months don't really matter.

We are seeing more and more circumstantial evidence that CIG is blocking the exits and widening the doors. Refunds are denied as a matter of policy when once they were accommodated quickly. The change -- which had no official explanation beyond "sorry no more refunds read your ToS" -- suggests some degree of concern about husbanding cash.

Now-- we also know that, as of the beginning of the year, CIG had NO ROADMAP at all for PTU development. None. They admitted as much on AtV-- happily, in fact. As if that was entirely commonplace as opposed to a warning sign. It IS commonplace at CIG but atypical elsewhere. Then we heard rumors (from Derek and EightAce) that they'd devised their new development priorities after a big confab with senior management. And the order of the day? Making in game asset sales a reality ASAP. Yet back ended by what? Earnable credits? Or actual credit cards (as with their web based means of selling).

Now-- looking at the "unmelt" token policy in particular, it too is very telling. CIG claimed that, for technical reasons, they had to greatly limit the supply and not allow them to be accrued over time. What this really means is quite obvious-- if they granted backers easy means to melt/unmelt they would be potentially damaging the sale of new ships to those same backers.

They are giving more and more signs that they need to restrict their users and plan to continue doing so. What makes matters worse for the backers is that, over the last half of last year, they effectively poisoned the gray market as an outside means of true liquidity. Formerly exclusive ships might've commanded a high price on the traders market- but CIG reintroduced many and thus flooded supply and destroyed demand. Similar gambits took place with LTI.

What is very telling in all of this is that it is so bloody ad hoc. They are making things up as they go-- everywhere-- and this tells us probably that all their thinking is tactical (if that). It's in response to changing conditions on the ground.

If capitulation is really here, and cash is really low, then we are going to see more and more obvious signs of it from a panicked CIG. And if the gambits they devise over panicked meetings don't work, then we will start seeing telltale signs of cash panics. Major cost cutting / office shut downs / layoffs.

All that said-- we still do not know what their cash situation is. To hear Chris and Erin talk, they haven't a care in the world's they e got time to spare. There is not sword ranging over their heads.

Sorry this was rambly but I'm in a hurry and on a phone. This is just meant to help you understand why these little signs-- like stores EVERYWHERE in game as the latest reveal-- might be telling us something. "Alpha UEC" is telling us something (because it will not be permanent).

It seems like they're telling us -- and backers -- quite a bit. And it's good news for people that like bad news.

Your line about blocking the exits and widening the door, that is a good line and an excellent way to frame what is going on I think. A lack of transparency at CIG is troubling (Although the white knights and zealots are easily fooled by the Pied Piper transparency Sandra Roberts feeds them), but when you read between the lines like denying refunds now, it sort of shows you where their mind is at. I got my refund and the emails sorrounding it made it seem like a perfectly normal thing I was asking and they would be happy to do so as a courtesy. Then, less than a month later, they slammed the door shut and have chained the handles. Why would a company do this? It's not as though you could abuse a refund policy for a product that doesn't depreciate and doesn't exhibit wear and tear.

The only logical conclusion is husbanding cash. That's the only possibility. Watch what big box retailers do in the US market with their refund policies as well -- when a company is hurting for cash, one of the first things they do is modify and reduce their refund policies. I worked in retail long enough to know that that was usually the first writing on the wall of insolvency.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Posting from page 2802, but

SPACE CITIZEN RECIPE FOR RYAN ARCHER AND CATTE PIX:

1. Find some Ryan Archer



2. Find a catte



3. SMASH THEM TOGETHER



4. Now you have a delicious Ryan Catte! Serve hot.

ps. apologies to catte

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

ewe2 posted:

Posting from page 2802, but

SPACE CITIZEN RECIPE FOR RYAN ARCHER AND CATTE PIX:

1. Find some Ryan Archer



2. Find a catte



3. SMASH THEM TOGETHER



4. Now you have a delicious Ryan Catte! Serve hot.

ps. apologies to catte

thats very artistic 10/10

D1E
Nov 25, 2001


I really hope that someday Lifetime makes a biopic called "The Sandi Gardiner Story" about Sandi Gardiner's life and many accomplishments, played by Cardboard Cutout Sandi.

TacticalNecromancy
May 25, 2015

I always pictured a Stimperial big ship as looking like something from the back end of Rama; Just a black spike, crackling with electricity and possibly other smaller spikes.




Meanwhile, watching some of these Around the Verse videos is sort of depressing; I've no doubt that quite a lot of these people are dedicated and probably quite good at what they do. I did like that star map, even if it seems a bit over-done compared to the E:D one. which just conveys information sensibly rather than animating everything.

Also, Vandull does sound stupid when spoken out loud and I'm pretty sure that one of the planets they were talking about had a 'Bajoran Temple' on.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



In the future, the only thing people will remember about Star Citizen is the Stimpire and Ryan Archer's art

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
t
Here is some lore ok bye:

quote:

**Goonrathi** - what could be said of these rag-tag empire of individuals? Usually nothing good. With the discipline of an army of cats crossing a field full of tinfoil, the Goonrathi contains thousands of unique cultures, none of which are very relevant because we decided to lump them all in one faction, with one set of ships.

Goonrathi ships tend to be worn down with loving care. New ships are rare because the faction only has one functioning space foundry, and due to an extremely odd typo policy dictates all new ships must be completely peed upon by a specialist team of “Christener Pissiners”. Understandably, there is quite a backlog of ships to receive this time-honored traditional treatment before it is launched into space and immediately hijacked by a culture of cat folk, who call themselves the “Pee-Grabs”.

After the P-Grabs are bored with hijacking a ship (usually by nap-time) they ditch it for mere-microcredits to a reputable (ha!) starship dealer, who, after getting the incredible stink off of it inside and out, put it up on the free market either wholesale or, if the smell is particularly bad, broken down into parts that are then further “Febreezed”. This has gone on for centuries and no one has really questioned it, other than to shrug and say “at least it's not like the Stimpire!”

As a result, Goonrathi ships are usually a hodgepodge of parts. Fortunately, parts from different models are deliberately made interchangeable in order to boost sales while waiting for the aforementioned brand new ships to come off the line. As a result each Goonrathi take great pains to keep their ship in good working order - no matter what. This has led to a culture of “stealing anything not nailed down to a ship, including the ship”, with the justification that if the other party did not want their poo poo stolen, they shouldn't have made it stealable in the first place.

Goonrathi, in short, are huge assholes.

D1E
Nov 25, 2001


Daztek posted:

In the future, the only thing people will remember about Star Citizen is the Stimpire and Ryan Archer's art

And the Ben Lesnick Annual Memorial Heartwalk.

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



Daztek posted:

In the future, the only thing people will remember about Star Citizen is the Stimpire and Ryan Archer's :airquote: art :airquote:
FTFY

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
you know how lots of games have little random quotations on loading screens?

solar plebian should have that but it should consist only of lines from the stimpire and from derek smart's tweets.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Literally Kermit posted:

Here is some lore ok bye:

This is now canon

D1E
Nov 25, 2001


hakimashou posted:

you know how lots of games have little random quotations on loading screens?

solar plebian should have that but it should consist only of lines from the stimpire and from derek smart's tweets.

That's actually a great idea. And if you press any keys on the keyboard while it's still loading he yells "let me loving finish!"

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

TacticalNecromancy posted:

I always pictured a Stimperial big ship as looking like something from the back end of Rama; Just a black spike, crackling with electricity and possibly other smaller spikes.



I like this idea. Would make a good corvette...

grimcreaper
Jan 7, 2012

MeLKoR posted:

If it's for external consumption then he has even less reason to whine that we were making fun of anything else, much less something that is actually tangentially related to Star Citizen.

What next, we can't joke around when Trump is elected next November?

Not joking wont be a Derek Thing(TM) because Trump will Donald all over the goons with his Freedom.

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

hakimashou posted:

you know how lots of games have little random quotations on loading screens?

solar plebian should have that but it should consist only of lines from the stimpire and from derek smart's tweets.

Let me finish would be pretty appropriate for the patcher.

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



hakimashou posted:

you know how lots of games have little random quotations on loading screens?

solar plebian should have that but it should consist only of lines from the stimpire and from derek smart's tweets.

Or some sort of Markov chain bot mix of the two together.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

RescueFreak posted:

If CIG had pushed out the Idris at CITCON I might not have gone through with my refund, instead Sandi cried and Chris spit on a cake.

Wait what? He spit on a cake? On purpose?

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

Literally Kermit posted:

Here is some lore ok bye:

quote:

**Goonrathi** - what could be said of these rag-tag empire of individuals? Usually nothing good. With the discipline of an army of cats crossing a field full of tinfoil, the Goonrathi contains thousands of unique cultures, none of which are very relevant because we decided to lump them all in one faction, with one set of ships.

Goonrathi ships tend to be worn down with loving care. New ships are rare because the faction only has one functioning space foundry, and due to an extremely odd typo policy dictates all new ships must be completely peed upon by a specialist team of “Christener Pissiners”. Understandably, there is quite a backlog of ships to receive this time-honored traditional treatment before it is launched into space and immediately hijacked by a culture of cat folk, who call themselves the “Pee-Grabs”.

After the P-Grabs are bored with hijacking a ship (usually by nap-time) they ditch it for mere-microcredits to a reputable (ha!) starship dealer, who, after getting the incredible stink off of it inside and out, put it up on the free market either wholesale or, if the smell is particularly bad, broken down into parts that are then further “Febreezed”. This has gone on for centuries and no one has really questioned it, other than to shrug and say “at least it's not like the Stimpire!”

As a result, Goonrathi ships are usually a hodgepodge of parts. Fortunately, parts from different models are deliberately made interchangeable in order to boost sales while waiting for the aforementioned brand new ships to come off the line. As a result each Goonrathi take great pains to keep their ship in good working order - no matter what. This has led to a culture of “stealing anything not nailed down to a ship, including the ship”, with the justification that if the other party did not want their poo poo stolen, they shouldn't have made it stealable in the first place.

Goonrathi, in short, are huge assholes.

Awesome, love it.

I have a SP website on the backlog, and this kind of stuff will really help fill out the info part of the site.

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



Lladre posted:

Wait what? He spit on a cake? On purpose?

He also couldn't figure out how to cut the cake.

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

hakimashou posted:

you know how lots of games have little random quotations on loading screens?

solar plebian should have that but it should consist only of lines from the stimpire and from derek smart's tweets.

I'm open to any/all loading screen lore/quote suggestions. This could be a huge source of gold.

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hey Derek, investigate this:



It's Ryan Archer cat.

It's always a smart choice for the new guy in the yard to join in on an rear end kicking, creates bonding. You're with the cool gang now. :mason:

Natron
Aug 5, 2004

ewe2 posted:

Posting from page 2802, but

SPACE CITIZEN RECIPE FOR RYAN ARCHER AND CATTE PIX:

1. Find some Ryan Archer



2. Find a catte



3. SMASH THEM TOGETHER



4. Now you have a delicious Ryan Catte! Serve hot.

ps. apologies to catte

I think I did it wrong...

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





D1E posted:

Android cleavage sells really well on Steam.

Makes sense to me I guess

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



android cleavage is a good user name.

D1E
Nov 25, 2001


Lladre posted:

Wait what? He spit on a cake? On purpose?

He's not very coordinated or intelligent, so when he went to blow out the candles he kinda of spit/drooled all over the birthday cake.

Now picture him doing that shirtless wearing only tighty whities and welcome to my sex fantasies.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

drat Dirty Ape posted:

He also couldn't figure out how to cut the cake.

I'm worried about Roberts gesticulating wildly while also holding a large knife

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





MeLKoR posted:

If only SA allowed for unmelts. Hey wait a minute... :tinfoil:

MeLKoR posted:

AV choices matter.

Crobblers could learn a thing or two from us if he wanted to make real :homebrew:

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Toops posted:

I'm open to any/all loading screen lore/quote suggestions. This could be a huge source of gold.

Can one of them just be "By Ryan Archer" please

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat
The thing about the AI demo to me is that it looked like a the same dude walking around with something heavy on his chest. Like some sort of motion capture gear. So he's walking funny trying not to fall over.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012




begun, this clone war has

Sperglord
Feb 6, 2016

A Neurotic Jew posted:

So this is likely your final chance to take a guess on Q2 Leavers. I will buy an immersive SC related avatar to whoever can predict the most right. Minus one point for every guess you make that doesn't pan out. will wait until next Friday for all information to come in before declaring a winner.

My guesses: 1) Sean Tracey 2) Toni Z. 3) Chambers

My Guesses
1) Toni Z.
2) Brian Chambers

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

hakimashou posted:

Lowtax needs to make Dr Smart a mod again so he can probate these people who get salty and sass him in his thread for mod sass.

I would take a probation from Lord Derek as a harsh but fair chastisement.

runsamok
Jan 12, 2011

alf_pogs posted:



begun, this clone war has

Who did they mocap for this pile of steaming poo poo?

For fucks' sake, that's more wooden than a ventriloquist's dummy.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





"Stimperial Commandos are the elite of the elite. They know neither fear nor pain. They are perfect killing machines... except for all the ones that don't have legs."

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe
Ok, Toops, I've got an idea for a large Sperg ship which is based on the blue whale. I'll make some original concept art of it.

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VealCutlet
Dec 21, 2015

I am a marketing god, shave that shit

Natron posted:

I think I did it wrong...



:ohdear:

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