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zen death robot posted:I'll put it even simpler, Trump just keeps calling Sanders a commie and red baits the gently caress outta him because that works Gonna stop mid-debate and start playing solitaire after Trump accidentally says the trigger phrase in one of his word salad rambles
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Just don't say Hillary's 'Presidency' is inevitable given the current amount of animosity towards corporate money in politics across the aisle during this election cycle. The bad part is how she couldn't foresee this even after a few years after Citizens United.
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Immortan posted:Just don't say Hillary's 'Presidency' is inevitable given the current amount of animosity towards corporate money in politics across the aisle during this election cycle. The bad part is how she couldn't foresee this even after a few years after Citizens United. Or maybe she'd be like, "oh you mean the result of Citizens United v Clinton? Yeah I think I'm familiar with that one hold on and yeah it turns out I'm still fighting against it" I'm actually more confident that she will stack the court to get it overturned than that Sanders will, and she'll probably astroturf a case to get expedited up to the SCOTUS just to ensure it happens Epic High Five has issued a correction as of 08:24 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Condiv posted:won't vote for hillary? you should be ashamed of how irresponsible you're being. He lives in Vermont, so he's got the luxury of abstaining with zero consequences.
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zen death robot posted:Trump is literally corporate money Gonna be funny when Trump agrees to ramp up trickle down, flat tax with a low cap and no taxes on anything except sales all kinds of stuff really, because Forbes told them they'd upgrade his standing in richest people in the world if he did
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Immortan posted:Just don't say Hillary's 'Presidency' is inevitable given the current amount of animosity towards corporate money in politics across the aisle during this election cycle. The bad part is how she couldn't foresee this even after a few years after Citizens United. Hillary's presidency is inevitable. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/
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zen death robot posted:Trump is literally corporate money One corporation. The Trump corporation. Not hedge fund Wall Street masters.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Hillary's presidency is inevitable. Given how weird some of the polling and such has been over this election, I'd really be more worried about it than you guys seem to be. Remember, Sanders was supposed to actually be out of the race at this point, not still somewhat threatening even after a NY loss. Hillary's still gonna have to carry states well enough, which she probably will, but even half a year ago no one thought it would get this close, not even Sanders. On top of that, who the gently caress thought Trump would be this close? I'd be really really wary about making any kind of smug predictions about any of this poo poo, tbh. Like, yeah, probably she'll get the nomination, and she'll probably win the general. But 100% for sure? 
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zen death robot posted:Trump is literally corporate money His own, not from donors.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Given how weird some of the polling and such has been over this election, I'd really be more worried about it than you guys seem to be. Remember, Sanders was supposed to actually be out of the race at this point, not still somewhat threatening even after a NY loss. Hillary's still gonna have to carry states well enough, which she probably will, but even half a year ago no one thought it would get this close, not even Sanders. On top of that, who the gently caress thought Trump would be this close? I'd be really really wary about making any kind of smug predictions about any of this poo poo, tbh. Sanders was out 3/15, it's just taken an extra nail to drive that home to the world apparently. Clinton still has a nice long run up on Trump though, because he is DEFINITELY going to be fighting it out until the bitter end, and possibly beyond
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Immortan posted:Tell me how Trump can effectively attack Bernie's record like he could with Hillary's. Yes, what possible attack lines could there be against someone who wants to raise everyone's taxes and who calls himself a socialist.
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Epic High Five posted:Sanders was out 3/15, it's just taken an extra nail to drive that home to the world apparently. Yeah, uh, no. He's still not technically out, so no he wasn't. When I say he wasn't supposed to get this far, I mean him actually conceding a long time ago, not the arbitrary "he's out!" stuff you guys like to use. After it's all over you get to point out dates as when he lost it, but until we get to the convention and Hillary is actually named you're just saying poo poo. Fat lady sings, etc. Not that I think you're actually wrong. I'm just glad Sanders got enough support to get Hillary to slide ever so slightly back to the left. Also trump is indeed unpopular and toxic, but do you really think he's worse in the minds of republican voters than another 4-8 years of Obama? Because that's what they're gonna be voting against, and there's a lot of spooky poo poo there to them. I don't think it's as set in stone as you want to believe.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Yeah, uh, no. He's still not technically out, so no he wasn't. When I say he wasn't supposed to get this far, I mean him actually conceding a long time ago, not the arbitrary "he's out!" stuff you guys like to use. After it's all over you get to point out dates as when he lost it, but until we get to the convention and Hillary is actually named you're just saying poo poo. Fat lady sings, etc. I get where this comes from, but Sanders has been over since 3/15 and after that point it's just been a vanity campaign funded by idiots. Well intentioned idiots, but still idiots. LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Also trump is indeed unpopular and toxic, but do you really think he's worse in the minds of republican voters than another 4-8 years of Obama? Because that's what they're gonna be voting against, and there's a lot of spooky poo poo there to them. I don't think it's as set in stone as you want to believe. Trump has literally gotten Hispanics to get citizenship just so they can vote against him, and the white male vote that republicans have relied on for so long has almost completely been made irrelevant, and is entirely irrelevant if the republicans piss off enough women voters which Trump has. A Winner is Jew has issued a correction as of 09:26 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Yeah, uh, no. He's still not technically out, so no he wasn't. When I say he wasn't supposed to get this far, I mean him actually conceding a long time ago, not the arbitrary "he's out!" stuff you guys like to use. After it's all over you get to point out dates as when he lost it, but until we get to the convention and Hillary is actually named you're just saying poo poo. Fat lady sings, etc. Yeah he can still legally run as long as he likes. But in terms of "is this a candidate I need to spend disproportionate resources on attacking" that was when his campaign checked out. That's why Clinton has been holding fundraisers to stack the downticket and Sanders has been...well, he's been saying the southern vote shouldn't count and that NYDN interview is what he's been doing since then. I like the guy and I'm glad he pushed the Clinton campaign to the left. It hurt to watch him make every 2008 Clinton mistake along the way and I hope he gets out when he realizes he's getting grifted by advisers pushing him along to chase a 0.1% chance at a nom. He needs to stop now and, if he's really interested in a revolution, to get some of his guys in on the ground floor to ensure the seeds are there for the future. I hope when and if he does this, he has completely different people helping him along than he had on the campaign. And, everything else aside, I'm not sure what else remains that he can push Clinton left on. I know for a fact she's going to push to repeal CU because of Hillary: The Movie, and I expect her to take popular leftward positions frequently because it's a great way to put the squeeze on the GOP
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A Winner is Jew posted:Trump has literally gotten Hispanics to get citizenship just so they can vote against him, and the white male vote that republicans have relied on for so long has almost completely been made irrelevant, and is entirely irrelevant if the republicans piss off enough women voters which Trump has. Plus Trump is 50/50 with white males on his best of days and, most notably, is roundly despised by suburbanites College-educated women and PoC will make up 51% of this electorate. It's like a horror show nightmare scenario for the GOP even if they were running a more boilerplate boring dude
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Also, I like Sanders and am please as punch that he's shifted Hillary (and dems) to the left but he needs to chose between being a footnote in history or having a huge role in shaping the progressive future of the democratic party, and the longer he waits the more he's going to be the former.
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Epic High Five posted:Yeah he can still legally run as long as he likes. But in terms of "is this a candidate I need to spend disproportionate resources on attacking" that was when his campaign checked out. That's why Clinton has been holding fundraisers to stack the downticket and Sanders has been...well, he's been saying the southern vote shouldn't count and that NYDN interview is what he's been doing since then. I get the feeling the seeds are already there, given the amount of youth support bernie has. It's not going to amount to much until they hit the magical ages when, for some inexplicable reason I'll never understand, people start giving enough of a poo poo to vote, so it's not gonna help bernie, but it will mean something going forward. My guess is it'll take a straight up "you would need an actual miracle to win" instead of the kinda sorta miracle he needs now to get bernie to stop campaigning, so maybe when the next round of states finishes up? As an aside, it's nice to live in California because nothing I do matters in the slightest outside of lower level elections, so I get the luxury of not really having to give a poo poo. I've never gotten to know the kind of urgency about this other people from other states have.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:As an aside, it's nice to live in California because nothing I do matters in the slightest outside of lower level elections, so I get the luxury of not really having to give a poo poo. I've never gotten to know the kind of urgency about this other people from other states have. In our defense, CA shouldn't be trusted with presidential politics since we've given the nation both Reagan and Nixon.
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A Winner is Jew posted:In our defense, CA shouldn't be trusted with presidential politics since we've given the nation both Reagan and Nixon. We also nearly made a porn star our governer, but went with arnold instead.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:As an aside, it's nice to live in California because nothing I do matters in the slightest outside of lower level elections, so I get the luxury of not really having to give a poo poo. I've never gotten to know the kind of urgency about this other people from other states have. i've lived in blue states all my life so i pretty much get to do whatever i want at the top of the ticket and then seriously vote for state and local junk. it's a pretty good deal.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I get the feeling the seeds are already there, given the amount of youth support bernie has. It's not going to amount to much until they hit the magical ages when, for some inexplicable reason I'll never understand, people start giving enough of a poo poo to vote, so it's not gonna help bernie, but it will mean something going forward. Well in my state, Indiana, this election at the state level will basically determine if we become Kansas 2.0 or a late blooming Minnesota, so I'm feeling a lot of urgency at the moment. People with Bernie's politics exist past that magical boundary, and they likely exist in politics. Right now in a prospective capacity, or at local levels. The seeds he could plant would be elevating these people to greater power. If Sanders had a network below him in any fashion at all, or any presence on the state level outside of Vermont, there's a lot of votes he would get that he is not at the moment. Mine is one of them. They'd still run up against the whole "you cannot count on young people to show up an ensure you get/keep the job" but it's progress. He could release a list of Sanders Approved Democrats in each state for his people to vote for. That kind of thing. As A Winner is Jew pointed out, the longer the keeps his campaign on life support to line the pockets of his advisers, the less effective this will be.
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Epic High Five posted:if he's really interested in a revolution, to get some of his guys in on the ground floor to ensure the seeds are there for the future He doesn't have guys who can ascend to the ground floor. He has a small cabal of B-list celebrities and some politicians that neither party gives a poo poo about. There are no "his guys." Even his campaign staff seems to be at odds with what the man says.
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Condiv posted:i wouldn't vote for kasich, why would i vote for hillary? lmao, I fell asleep and missed the meltdowns of the century didn't I? fuckkkkk
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Immortan posted:Just don't say Hillary's 'Presidency' is inevitable given the current amount of animosity towards corporate money in politics across the aisle during this election cycle. The bad part is how she couldn't foresee this even after a few years after Citizens United. Please lay out a scenario where Clinton loses to a man who has a net favorability rating of -70 among people under age 40 and -45 among women.
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mike12345 posted:why is that frog wearing a poncho Why not?
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mike12345 posted:why is that frog wearing a poncho Is it a poncho or a Jedi robe?
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Immortan posted:Tell me how Trump can effectively attack Bernie's record like he could with Hillary's. Imagine a billion dollars being spent on this one sound clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2anmBDM-m0 Hey, you just lost the election!
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smg77 posted:Is it a poncho or a Jedi robe? either or it works well. As the cuckbro is represented as being in a literal wasteland and being saved by a messiah. Much like luke saw visions of Old Ben on Hoth.
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fknlo posted:Imagine a billion dollars being spent on this one sound clip. 
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Immortan posted:His own, not from donors. Oh, that's ok then. Guys he's not a corporate interest of DONORS he's his OWN corporate interest! Thanks, Rand.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:As an aside, it's nice to live in California because nothing I do matters in the slightest outside of propositions, so I get the luxury of not really having to give a poo poo. I've never gotten to know the kind of urgency about this other people from other states have. direct democracy!
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Immortan posted:His own, not from donors. do you know who donors are
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:We also nearly made a porn star our governer, but went with arnold instead. We should have gone with the porn star.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Oh, that's ok then. point of return posted:do you know who donors are The corporate donor class that supported NAFTA and the TPP, which Trump is against. http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-calls-nafta-a-disaster/ http://qz.com/611042/donald-trump-and-bernie-sanders-are-both-wrong-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership/ :shh: Bernie is also against the TPP because it is a screwjob.
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Polls are meaningless now. After Obama was elected and he began proposing ACA, a lot of people were for it. But then the right wing spin machine came out and people started believing the death panel crap. Pretty soon, ACA became unpopular. Bernie hasn't been attacked by the right wing spin machine because Hillary is still viewed (rightfully) as the bigger threat. If Bernie would win, the attacks would come for him and he'd be hit with attacks to the point that the American people would freak out and then think "Hmm... maybe I shouldn't vote for a godless commie." Sanders looks good now, because no one has thought past that he's saying nice things about income inequality. Hillary has dealt with right wing attacks for decades. Trump's xenophobia and Cruz's complete unlikeable demeanor will be easy to trounce.
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seiferguy posted:Polls are meaningless now. After Obama was elected and he began proposing ACA, a lot of people were for it. But then the right wing spin machine came out and people started believing the death panel crap. Pretty soon, ACA became unpopular. Bernie hasn't been attacked by the right wing spin machine because Hillary is still viewed (rightfully) as the bigger threat. If Bernie would win, the attacks would come for him and he'd be hit with attacks to the point that the American people would freak out and then think "Hmm... maybe I shouldn't vote for a godless commie." Sanders looks good now, because no one has thought past that he's saying nice things about income inequality. Yeah, the meme that Hillary can't win because she has high unfavorables is loving dumb since she's the only person in either race that's actually been attacked from both sides, and she's easily been attacked more over her lifetime than Obama from the right.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:We also nearly made a porn star our governer, but went with arnold instead. Our state is flawless.
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