Fojar38 posted:

btw when i have some free time i am going to see just how many of these things are total bullshit

caberham posted:

It's not plagiarism anymore!

On a serious note that's a pretty thorough rant. It's summed in Chinese as 愛國不愛黨 love the country don't love the party

Fojar38 posted:

btw when i have some free time i am going to see just how many of these things are total bullshit

oohhboy posted:

poo poo country that abuses everything and everyone while the government proclaims it is best thing ever while playing up the century of humiliation victim hood as they looting anything they can get their hands on as they disrespect international treaties that other countries that are normally at each other throats respect. They destroyed their own history while currently trying to destroy the culture of others as they eat everything regardless for boners. Makes ridiculous demands and when told to gently caress off cries Chinese hurt feelings then turning around to use it as propaganda. No rule of law and corrupt as gently caress with no freedom of the press, has 50 cent brigade, great fire wall. Way too much materialism and nationalism. Kills poo poo loads of their own people. Fucks with HK and Taiwan, everyone. Exports poison.

Has some good landscape if you can see it. Individuals can be quite nice if you can find them. Real Chinese culture is quite nice. Their farmers are pretty badass when push comes to shove. Rural dudes makes metal as hell death machines with nothing more than scrape metal. Rides pigs to work.

China has way more negative than positives. If you want a hug box go make your own thread.

oohhboy posted:

poo poo country that abuses everything and everyone while the government proclaims it is best thing ever while playing up the century of humiliation victim hood as they looting anything they can get their hands on as they disrespect international treaties that other countries that are normally at each other throats respect. They destroyed their own history while currently trying to destroy the culture of others as they eat everything regardless for boners. Makes ridiculous demands and when told to gently caress off cries Chinese hurt feelings then turning around to use it as propaganda. No rule of law and corrupt as gently caress with no freedom of the press, has 50 cent brigade, great fire wall. Way too much materialism and nationalism. Kills poo poo loads of their own people. Fucks with HK and Taiwan, everyone. Exports poison.

Has some good landscape if you can see it. Individuals can be quite nice if you can find them. Real Chinese culture is quite nice. Their farmers are pretty badass when push comes to shove. Rural dudes makes metal as hell death machines with nothing more than scrape metal. Rides pigs to work.

China has way more negative than positives. If you want a hug box go make your own thread.

Jeoh posted:

愛黨不愛國

imo

nong posted:

When you point your finger at someone, three of them are pointing back at yourself.

nong posted:

They are doing the best they can to mitigate the negatives.

And how do you know that it wouldn't be worse if we introduce the fantasy of western democracy that worked terribly in many other developing country. The fact the standard of living has vastly improved for most people is one of the proof that they are at least trying.

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both already parts of China if you look at the economic reliance. And ironically, thanks to capitalism, they basically have to do what China says since everyone loves to make money.

Many other countries also went through a period of hardline ruling before they can finally reach open speech or democracy, Taiwan had to go through White Terror for a while.

It will take time to improve, but just pointing and laughing at things isn't the way to go.


When you point your finger at someone, three of them are pointing back at yourself.

nickmeister posted:

Can you figure what they mean by a computer being faster than a Jaguar?

Mercury_Storm posted:

http://webm.land/media/CyXg.webm

Modest Mao posted:

actually it's really good and sensible and identical to what english did. We talked about this in the last thread. Chinese blows at using phonetics to borrow foreign names or words, and also kinda has the 'everyone should learn our language, not us learn their mongrel tongue' thing historically

English just used foreign words, mostly greek and some latin, for tech, because english knew it was the mongrel tongue. Chinese used words people readily understood.

Telephone = far away sound
電話 ＝ electric words

Aeroplane = flat surface in the air
飛機 ＝ flying machine

electricity = comes from amber
電 ＝ lightning

electrocardiograph = electric heart drawing
心電圖 = heart electricity map

etc

English, especially since it's risen to lingua franca status, has technology words that are based on English roots, like

motion picture
電影 ＝ electric shadow

Cell phone
手機 ＝ hand machine

Computer
電腦 ＝ electric brain

hot tub
熱水浴缸 = hot water bathtub

I sincerely like chinese more for doing that than just saying "sellu pone" or "sakka". Most of the technology composite words are super easy to understand, like hand machine, it's not like english where you have to literally learn greek to understand our technology words. I also like finding out western celebs have different, senseless names in China. Like Elvis is 'Cat King' for some reason, which sounds absolutely nothing like Elvis.

nickmeister posted:

Any word on where this is from? Or at least who the throat singer is? It reminds me of an Adult Swim spot.

nong posted:

They are doing the best they can to mitigate the negatives.

And how do you know that it wouldn't be worse if we introduce the fantasy of western democracy that worked terribly in many other developing country. The fact the standard of living has vastly improved for most people is one of the proof that they are at least trying.

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both already parts of China if you look at the economic reliance. And ironically, thanks to capitalism, they basically have to do what China says since everyone loves to make money.

Many other countries also went through a period of hardline ruling before they can finally reach open speech or democracy, Taiwan had to go through White Terror for a while.

It will take time to improve, but just pointing and laughing at things isn't the way to go.


When you point your finger at someone, three of them are pointing back at yourself.

Sheep-Goats posted:

No Modest Mao it's hella dumb baby level linguist territorialism bullshit.

The English words you listed were words we developed for things we invented. We also have words like bungalow for when we borrow an idea -- we take the word along with it. We invent the idea, we invent a word from it.

None of those things are Chinese inventions. At some point they were brought into China. Some Chinese guy said "Woah! What do you call this?" and we said "computer" and they said OH HELL NO THAT'S NOT CHINESE. WE NEED A CHINESE NAME IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHINESE THING. NO SHARESIES.

Sheep-Goats posted:

No Modest Mao it's hella dumb baby level linguist territorialism bullshit.

The English words you listed were words we developed for things we invented. We also have words like bungalow for when we borrow an idea -- we take the word along with it. We invent the idea, we invent a word from it.

None of those things are Chinese inventions. At some point they were brought into China. Some Chinese guy said "Woah! What do you call this?" and we said "computer" and they said OH HELL NO THAT'S NOT CHINESE. WE NEED A CHINESE NAME IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHINESE THING. NO SHARESIES.

Sheep-Goats posted:

No Modest Mao it's hella dumb baby level linguist territorialism bullshit.

The English words you listed were words we developed for things we invented. We also have words like bungalow for when we borrow an idea -- we take the word along with it. We invent the idea, we invent a word from it.

None of those things are Chinese inventions. At some point they were brought into China. Some Chinese guy said "Woah! What do you call this?" and we said "computer" and they said OH HELL NO THAT'S NOT CHINESE. WE NEED A CHINESE NAME IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHINESE THING. NO SHARESIES.

Fojar38 posted:

btw when i have some free time i am going to see just how many of these things are total bullshit

Rutibex posted:

it feels odd that anyone could actually deliberately design words and introduce them into a language. like, i can't imagine some central English bureau telling people what the proper words for things is, thats sounds insufferable. we come up with words by just talking with each other and seeing what sticks.

Rutibex posted:

it feels odd that anyone could actually deliberately design words and introduce them into a language. like, i can't imagine some central English bureau telling people what the proper words for things is, thats sounds insufferable. we come up with words by just talking with each other and seeing what sticks.

Fojar38 posted:

China has become the largest economy and market in the world.
China has become the largest auto market in the world.
China has the largest foreign reserve in the world.
China has the largest middle class in the world.
China has the most billionaires in the world.
China is the largest manufacturing country in the world.
China has created the world’s fastest high speed train and longest high speed rail.
China has been leading the world in DNA mapping and synthesizing.
China has built the most undersea tunnels.
China has built the world’s largest dam.
China has built the world’s longest bridges.
China has been leading the world in cat-scan technology.
China has built two series of commercial aircraft that now compete with Boeing.
China is the largest manufacturing country in the world
China has become the world’s largest outbound tourism market and outbound tourism spender.
China has created the largest (and best-funded) banks in the world.
China has Designed and built a series of 4-passenger flying boats.
China has designed and built the world’s fastest computer – 1.5 times faster than the Jaguar in the US – due to a Chinese-designed O/S.
China has designed and built the world’s second-deepest submersible.
China has designed and its own space station.
China has developed the deepest ultra-oil drilling.
China has developed embryonic stem cells using human skin cells.
China has discovered of Earth-like extra-solar planets.
China has drawn graphics of dark matter in the universe.
China has done successful tracing of the photon.
China has discovered genes that cause various diseases.
China has accomplished the first “genome transplant” in living organisms.
China has created a DNA brake.
China has achieved a record in quantum communications distance.
China has had an increase in GNP of 10% p.a. for 30 years.
China has created its own GPS Satellite System.
China has put a probe on the moon.
China has put men into space.
China has the highest number of English-speaking people in the world.
China has the largest HSR track network.
China leads the world in electric car and battery

Nostalgic Cashew posted:

I don't understand, are these just characters next to each other, or compound words of some sort? It seems like it could get pretty confusing watching moving shadows on my hand machine and making sure my lightning connector is connected to the lightning.

Fauxtool posted:

I love how these are pretty much all things the US has done first.

Sheep-Goats posted:

No Modest Mao it's hella dumb baby level linguist territorialism bullshit.

sincx posted:

So why don't we call hot and sour soup suanla soup?

nickmeister posted:

I think one the things I like about mainland Chinese is the lack of borrowed words from English. For Japanese, English words still flow pretty well for the most part, but Chinese does not do foreign words well.

sincx posted:

So why don't we call hot and sour soup suanla soup?

And there are plenty of Chinese words that do use phonetic borrowing or phono-semantic matching.

motorcycle = 摩托车 = motuoche (motuo vehicle)
engine = 引擎 = yinqqing, used interchangably with 发动机 ("create movement device")
vitamin = 维他命 = weitaming or 维生素 ‎ = weishengsu* ("sustain life essence")
bus = 巴士 = basi (usually used to refer to long distance buses, city buses are 公共汽车)
karaoke = 卡拉OK = kala OK
fans (as in admirer) = 粉丝 = fensi

This remains true for modern, western technology concepts that you're complaining about the most:
sonar = 声纳 = shengna* ("sound receiver")
blog = 博客 = boke ("bo" as in Weibo)
hacker = 黑客 = heike* ("black guest")

(* - these ones are the more clever phono-semantic matching type of borrowing, where the foreign sounds are matched with characters that both sound alike and actually mean roughly the same thing; the others are just phonetic)

This doesn't even take into account all the English terms, especially technology acronyms, that are used directly: PS (Photoshop), LCD, CPU, OLED, etc.

Language is fluid. Each language evolves differently. All languages borrow concepts from other languages. Borrowing can happen in a variety of ways. There's generally no huge conspiracy to control language, unless you're the Académie française, although governments do like to meddle here and there. And in any case language is impossible to control. Deal with it.

Sheep-Goats posted:

sincx posted:

Good job ignoring the majority of my post, which shows that Chinese does incorporate plenty of loanwords phonetically, including words for plenty of western-invented technology, contrary to your assertions earlier.

Given that, let me add a word to my list of Chinese phoentic loanwords:

AIDS = 艾滋病 = aizi bing ("aizi disease")

Sheep-Goats posted:

I'm on my phone

Sheep-Goats posted:

Of course there are exceptions here and there. There are plenty of Chinese American dishes that have fixed Chinesey sounding names that Americans know and will happily say (egg foo young, genreal tsao's, moo shu pork, ma po tofu etc). There are Thai dishes that get translated frequently even when the translations are horrible (our conception of the term salad has nothing to do with somtam or larb, which get translated as papaya salad or meat salad respectively someone). There are homonymos words in Chinese from English as you listed. However when we talk about GENERALLY what goes on the Chinese translate because they think we want translations, because that is what they want, because China is like a goblin camp from the Lord of the Rings.

caberham posted:

Sliders are called 肉夾饃 from Xian, northwest China. Decent Muslim food and great dough, so surprisingly good craft beer. But loving nuke that nong poo poo hole

Sheep-Goats posted:

Jesus Christ dude it's one thing to accuse someone of ignoring a majority of a post, it's another to do that while you ignore huge portions of the post you're replying to.

Shove your little goonsay emote back up in you.