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Gyges posted:They did indeed. Then she got away off screen and it was never brought up again. The only thing it seemed to do was show that apparently some government agency was watching his house. Nothing comes of it and they could be working for the DA, the Blacksmith, the DOD, or someone else perhaps in the SHIELD echelon. Alternatively Frank moved to a street where the neighbourhood watch just doesn't gently caress around.
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Aphrodite posted:Batman knows he's completely hosed up, and doesn't kill people because if he starts he's going to get to a point where he just kills everyone. Of course, then there's the stupid as gently caress Elseworlds Batman books where he becomes a vampire to fight Dracula, but he's like a good one until the Joker kills Catwoman (who's a werecat), so Batman snaps and kills Joker in revenge but oh noes now he has to keep killing because he killed Joker and gently caress I hated that story.
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Gyges posted:They did indeed. Then she got away off screen and it was never brought up again. The only thing it seemed to do was show that apparently some government agency was watching his house. Nothing comes of it and they could be working for the DA, the Blacksmith, the DOD, or someone else perhaps in the SHIELD echelon. I wonder if a follow up scene wasn't cut during production after The Punisher series was green lit to leave some mysteries for the show to explore.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:45
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I wonder if a follow up scene wasn't cut during production after The Punisher series was green lit to leave some mysteries for the show to explore. Oh was it officially green lit?
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Gyges posted:They did indeed. Then she got away off screen and it was never brought up again. The only thing it seemed to do was show that apparently some government agency was watching his house. Nothing comes of it and they could be working for the DA, the Blacksmith, the DOD, or someone else perhaps in the SHIELD echelon. So Castle kills doofus in jail, he told Frank before he died that the big baddie is named 'Blacksmith''. Then Kingpin comes to Castle later and says "Hey, you want to kill Blacksmith, right? Don't ya? Hmm? Don't ya? I'll let you get free, go get him!"" So how did Kingpin know about Blacksmith? A subtle hint, or just lovely writing?
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Apr 19, 2016 23:16
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Gynovore posted:So Castle kills doofus in jail, he told Frank before he died that the big baddie is named 'Blacksmith''. Then Kingpin comes to Castle later and says "Hey, you want to kill Blacksmith, right? Don't ya? Hmm? Don't ya? I'll let you get free, go get him!"" I was under the impression that Kingpin already knew everything in advance, possibly because he was the Kingpin, and that Castle was just a murder weapon.
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Apr 19, 2016 23:19
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Kingpin knowing that a huge drug dealer in the city is called Blacksmith falls under general criminal information. Similar to knowing how Frank's family died and being able to successfully point loaded gun Frank at the competition.
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Gynovore posted:So how did Kingpin know about Blacksmith? A subtle hint, or just lovely writing? So, you're asking if jailed Wilson Fisk - the one who we're shown hearing snippets of information, using that info to get to people or sway them to his side, and developing a stronger presence in the prison that's supposedly intended to keep him powerless while extending his channels outward is somehow not supposed to know about the goings-on among big-shot criminals in NYC?
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Apr 20, 2016 01:33
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Gynovore posted:So Castle kills doofus in jail, he told Frank before he died that the big baddie is named 'Blacksmith''. Then Kingpin comes to Castle later and says "Hey, you want to kill Blacksmith, right? Don't ya? Hmm? Don't ya? I'll let you get free, go get him!"" It is pretty much in character for his comic incarnation where he's a boring invincible godmod that never goes away. What I'm saying is that the Kingpin is subjected to lovely writing all the time.
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HIJK posted:It is pretty much in character for his comic incarnation where he's a boring invincible godmod that never goes away. So, real quick, you're coming down on the side of lovely writing?
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zoux posted:So, real quick, you're coming down on the side of lovely writing? I'm saying that to be the Kingpin is to embody lovely writing. That doesn't mean he's written in a lovely fashion all the time, I liked how Nocenti handled him in her run and he was great in Born Again and season 1 of the show. But what I've noticed as I've read up on the comics is that he really tends to get built up as like, this all knowing all powerful god, and that's not good writing. Season 2 ended up doing a little bit of that, where he just magically knows things because he's the Kingpin and his information network is er'rywhere.
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Radish posted:In Batman TAS there's one episode where Robin is getting pissed at Batman and starts questioning his methods after seeing him beat up a criminal in front of his kids. He eventually finds out that unbeknownst to him afterwards as Bruce Wayne, Batman got that same guy a job at Waynecorp and was helping him turn his life around. In super hero stuff it's hard to show that kind of thing where the regular criminals are actual people and not just monsters so it was nice that they did something to show that in a cartoon about beating up bad guys and saving the city from nukes or other things. It's why TAS is really the only incarnation of Batman I like since Bruce feels like an actual human with compassion. The Brave and the Bold Batman is also excellent since he's basically a TMNT and loves doing his job. Also it's not growlly angry grim at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUjG1HSSaGI
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HIJK posted:I'm saying that to be the Kingpin is to embody lovely writing. Frank Castle's trial is going on and his story is thus well known. The Blacksmith is a very big name dealer in the area, big enough that he should definitely be known in prison. The guy currently running the prison, who has threatened Fisk, is known to facilitate/engage in big drug deals. Fisk is shown to be at least monitoring the outside world through both newspapers and his lawyer. Fisk uses what little he does know and can reasonably infer to make Frank an offer he can't refuse. Fisk then sics Frank on the one guy standing in Fisk's way in the prison. The guy doesn't actually admit to anything, and Frank survives Fisk's subsequent attempt on his life. Kingpin then help's Frank escape simply because Frank on the outside is good for Kingpin's business when he finally does get out. What information has he come across that is the result of assuming criminal omniscience? The closest he comes is when he has his prison lackey run off to get his file on Murdock, which reasonably can be assumed to have originally been provided by his lawyer.
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TheMaestroso posted:So, you're asking if jailed Wilson Fisk - the one who we're shown hearing snippets of information, using that info to get to people or sway them to his side, and developing a stronger presence in the prison that's supposedly intended to keep him powerless while extending his channels outward is somehow not supposed to know about the goings-on among big-shot criminals in NYC? Supposedly Blacksmith dealt in metric tons. This guy doesn't come near the street level dealers; he supplies the guys who supply the guys who supply the guys who supply the dealers. Also even the highest levels of govt didn't know about Blacksmith until right before the failed raid.
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Gynovore posted:Supposedly Blacksmith dealt in metric tons. This guy doesn't come near the street level dealers; he supplies the guys who supply the guys who supply the guys who supply the dealers. And nobody knew what Fisk was doing in season 1 until he was exposed.
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RareAcumen posted:The Brave and the Bold Batman is also excellent since he's basically a TMNT and loves doing his job. Also it's not growlly angry grim at all. Oh yeah that show was just fun, forgot about it since it's so wildly not current Batman. It's like the anti-Watchmen were they go full on "heroes are great and do a good job and there's no creepy issues with their personal lives, just beating jerks and no killing." It was actually refreshing. I liked the episode where alternate world Joker is the hero. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Gyges posted:They did indeed. Then she got away off screen and it was never brought up again. The only thing it seemed to do was show that apparently some government agency was watching his house. Nothing comes of it and they could be working for the DA, the Blacksmith, the DOD, or someone else perhaps in the SHIELD echelon. Yeah. I'd assume we'll find out who's interested down the road. I think it's safe to assume that the sensor goes off now and then, and if they don't see anyone in a quick/soft search, they assume it was just rats, since the house is pretty much empty. Also: Karen lied about the dishes being put away, I think. Castle inspects dishes on the table when he visits the house. And, I'm assuming Castle didn't set off the sensor.
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Gyges posted:They did indeed. Then she got away off screen and it was never brought up again. The only thing it seemed to do was show that apparently some government agency was watching his house. Nothing comes of it and they could be working for the DA, the Blacksmith, the DOD, or someone else perhaps in the SHIELD echelon. The latter would be the most interesting route, but I just assumed it was people involved in the coverup of what happened to Frank's family. That seemed to go pretty high, so of course they were watching his house. I didn't see that as a loose thread.
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sticklefifer posted:The latter would be the most interesting route, but I just assumed it was people involved in the coverup of what happened to Frank's family. That seemed to go pretty high, so of course they were watching his house. I didn't see that as a loose thread. But why not just empty his house out? Why was it always just sitting around untouched even after he became a national news story. No crime tape or anything.
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trigger warning that poo poo
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Toxxupation posted:
Remember when a consensus of goons placed Jessica Jones as the second best show of 2015, better than Better Call Saul, Mr. Robot and the Leftovers?
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Rarity posted:Remember when a consensus of goons placed Jessica Jones as the second best show of 2015, better than Better Call Saul, Mr. Robot and the Leftovers? Never even heard of Mr. Robot and the Leftovers. But calling it better than Better Call Saul is stupid because that's a serious class-act of a show. That said sudden goon "Jessica Jones actually sucked" is equally as stupid and reactionary. It was a drat good show with a lot of neat concepts. This happens all the time on SA. For a recap: Goons: FURY ROAD IS THE BEST THING EVVVVEERRRRRRRR -Fast forward six months- Goons: PEOPLE LIKE THAT MOVIE NOW IT IS SHIIIIIT Every time
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It should not be a surprise that people can have an immediate reaction to something and then change their minds as they think about and unpack thing more. The sudden reversal being so universal and complete is probably only a function of mob thought, but the shift itself is an organic and completely fine thing to me at least. It's to be expected as people think more about something and discuss it.
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Wait, people hate Fury Road now? People just have no taste these days.
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Gyges posted:Wait, people hate Fury Road now? People just have no taste these days. I poo poo you not, I don't remember which thread it was, but a couple of weeks after it came out, somebody bitched about Fury Road's boring teal and orange color grading.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Never even heard of Mr. Robot and the Leftovers. But calling it better than Better Call Saul is stupid because that's a serious class-act of a show. nope sorry Toxx and I disliked it immediately, like the true forward-thinking visionaries taht we are
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Marvel is very good at making things that seem really great for the first few weeks and then becomes forgettable at best. That being said, I still thought it was like 30% longer than it should've been.
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Mr. Robot started out great, then took a nosedive near the end when a major plot point/mystery turned out to have a super cliche explanation. Good show for sure, and it got a lot of things right (esp. the hacker stuff, which ALL movies/shows get hilariously wrong all the time) but it's definitely not "one of the best" of 2015.
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Jessica Jones is not a bad show. It's a good show, and one could even argue an Important show. Capital "i". And for that, sure, I get where people place it high on the list of shows that premiered in 2015, because even if it's qualitatively a mess (and boy was Jessica Jones qualitatively a mess, boy oh boy), it's Important and Says Important Things about, among others, Rape Culture. That I all get. It's not the second-best show of 2015. Full loving stop. It just isn't. It was the second-best Marvel show that premiered on Netflix in 2015, for Christ's sake. And if you think, in a year where Mr. Robot and The Leftovers season 2 and Better Call Saul and The Americans season 3 and Fargo season 2 all aired, that Jessica Jones deserves a Peabody, well, congrats, the Peabody committee agrees with you I guess. For the rest of us, we'll look at "You let me be...inside you", the midseason climax, and laugh at how badly that show dropped the loving ball on its main plot line established up to that point. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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I finished watching this season today finally and felt like I really lost the thread of what was going on sometime in the last few episodes and then it just ended and I still felt confused. I'm surprised how much I liked all the stuff with Punisher though to be honest. My dislike of that character in general was part of what made me drag my feet on watching this for almost a month, and that storyline ended up being what I found most compelling
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The whole "you let me be inside you" thing is the biggest tempest-in-a-teapot goons have concocted, like ever.
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Regy Rusty posted:I finished watching this season today finally and felt like I really lost the thread of what was going on sometime in the last few episodes and then it just ended and I still felt confused. Zoux will wander through in a few hours to complain about your reaction and what a shame it is that you're not willing to wait for the Defenders that will explain and wrap up everything, like how Avengers did for the other movies.
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The Peabody isn't really a quality award. It's a service award. It's also not category based. They'll award as many shows as they want. Shows only compete with themselves. They pay a fee and submit their show, then people vote on whether it was good or not. If everyone says yes, they get an award. Soothing Vapors posted:nope sorry Toxx and I disliked it immediately, like the true forward-thinking visionaries taht we are Don't be happy about this. It means you're broken. Toxx is TV chelatek, he's wrong about everything. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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Mr.Robot had acting and cinematography that the Jessica Jones show never even came close to. Go and watch Mr.Robot [edit] UHHH also to make this not entirely irrelevant I guess Daredevil was also better than Jessica Jones 
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Aphrodite posted:Don't be happy about this. It means you're broken. Toxx is TV chelatek, he's wrong about everything.
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I want to see Madame Gao gently caress up Matt next season.
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enraged_camel posted:I want to see Madame Gao gently caress up Matt next season. What's sad is that Iron Fist's Yu-Ti isn't going to be near as awesome as Madam Gao.
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Aphrodite posted:Don't be happy about this. It means you're broken. Toxx is TV chelatek, he's wrong about everything. Cut him some slack, Toxx had to watch two seasons of Last Man Standing. You'd be broken too if you had to go through that trauma. Soothing Vapors posted:incorrect, Toxx likes quality entertainment like Undertale, Dr. Who, L...Last Man Standing, Homestuck, and... and... oh god, what have I done Don't forget Dark Souls and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure!
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