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Squizzle posted:Steve Wacker's office usually had a good eye for interesting non-house-style artists, a skill for bringing good work consistently out of talented writers, and a possibly supernatural ability to herd cats in orders to keep better-than-monthly schedules working medium-term. BND is not exactly an example of good editing, regardless of how you feel about the stories themselves.
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Toxxupation posted:Yo I caught up on Vision and that is some loving next level poo poo, guys. Virginia did nothing wrong. (much)
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Toxxupation posted:Yo I caught up on Vision and that is some loving next level poo poo, guys.
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CapnAndy posted:I'm not gonna say Vision is the best comic book coming out right now but if anyone doesn't think it's at least in the top 5, me and them can't be friends. It might be. I'd put Silk up there, though. Actually I'd argue that Silk is the best character that's debuted this decade, from the big two at least.
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Toxxupation posted:It might be. I'd put Silk up there, though. I think Ms. Marvel gets the crown for that, actually. Silk also loses points for her...deeply unfortunate introduction in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man & Spider-Verse.
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what do you think your top five of comics currently being published would be? In no particular order? Vision Sex Crims Silk Wicked + Div New Avengers + Ultimates (I lump em together because Ewing is killer)
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trashbuilder posted:what do you think your top five of comics currently being published would be? In no particular order? I'd round out the top 10 with Archie, Jughead, Ms. Marvel, Squirrel Girl, and Spider-Man. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Apr 25, 2016 18:38
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Yvonmukluk posted:I think Ms. Marvel gets the crown for that, actually. Silk also loses points for her...deeply unfortunate introduction in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man & Spider-Verse. Silk is great in her own book but yeah she is a complete shitfest when first debuted.  Admittedly recently they've done a great job of spinning poo poo into gold with the crappier Spider-spinoffs.
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trashbuilder posted:what do you think your top five of comics currently being published would be? In no particular order? Superman: American Alien Vision Low Sheriff of Babylon Stray Bullets
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Yvonmukluk posted:I think Ms. Marvel gets the crown for that, actually. Silk also loses points for her...deeply unfortunate introduction in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man & Spider-Verse. I would say that's a testament to how good a character she is, that she overcomes both Slott and:  To be a super fascinating character. Like, here's the thing, it would definitely be fair to say that Marvel is The House That Spidey Built. And it's easy to see why; he's a tragic, flawed character from the beginning and the first truly "teenage" superhero, defined more by his limitations then his abilities. I love Spider-Man, and he's a great loving character, but he's also been around for 55 years. He's grown up, fell in love, gotten married, had a kid who was then miscarried, saw his girlfriend get killed (possibly due to his own actions), got a new suit, got possessed by that new suit, watched his aunt die, and then had all that retconned in a very, very regrettable storyline. He's been on virtually every superhero team, including the Fantastic Four, revealed his secret identity, and become a titan of industry. He met every alternate version of himself and they all teamed up to kill off multiversal cannibals. He even got killed, and possessed by one of his enemies in one of the most regrettable storylines in existence. gently caress, he even turned black. The point being that they've mined virtually everything they reasonably could out of the character (some would argue they went past it). He's not Batman and he's not Superman, two characters defined as being stagnant. He's a teenager, he changes, he develops, but it's hard to see after 55 years of stories where they could reasonably go with him. I mean, he's still great, but he's not surprising and new like he was during the Silver Age. Silk feels like a modern-day Spider-Man, in that her central conflict feels sophisticated and modern. She feels like a character created in the 21st century, even disregarding the silliness of her backstory or that she was invented as basically a retcon, she's a woman in her late twenties with deep, deep mental issues that plague her. That's new, in a way that Marvel's other attempts to make Spider-Man more modern - Spider-Gwen and Ultimate Spider-Man - haven't quite been able to accomplish. I love me some Miles Morales, but it often feels like he's addressing Peter Parker's stories from a different perspective, over how Cindy Moon feels totally and completely different.
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Southern Bastards Stray Bullets Squirrel Girl Island whatever Ed Brubaker & Sean Phillips' next book is
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Stray Bullets Not be naive but this is still going on?
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Ferrule posted:Not be naive but this is still going on? Yes and it's fuckin great
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Apr 25, 2016 19:27
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bobkatt013 posted:Yeah but almost every single comic they have released has been great, and they have had very few stinkers. Truthfully, very few have really caught me, but not in a way I thought they were bad. Even still, you can't really argue that it's harder to recreate a universe when given plenty of time to plan and hire than it is when you have an active, ongoing publishing schedule you need to maintain.
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Apr 25, 2016 19:32
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Ferrule posted:Not be naive but this is still going on? There was a ten year break in there.
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I basically spend my months now wanting to read more Vision. The people around me are probably sick of hearing about the goddamn Vision. Vision is great. Although I have to admit my main draw this week is that I want to find out what the dog's name is. What would the Visions name a perfectly normal dog for their perfectly normal family? I don't know! I want to know! (And I know they did ask for reader suggestions. But I want to hear the explanation.)
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It's the issue after next. https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/724598106235482112 If you're hanging out for Vision, read his creator owned, Sheriff of Babylon.
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Apr 25, 2016 20:07
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The Omega Men Sheriff of Babylon Harrow County Deadly Class Monstress
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CharlestheHammer posted:BND is not exactly an example of good editing, regardless of how you feel about the stories themselves. The creative logistics of it, I mean, which are very much an editorial responsibility. Wacker's office had to make sure they had enough moving through the pipeline from multiple creative teams working at different paces, to fulfill a pretty punishing release schedule. And they had some subplots and story arcs that unfolded through multiple creative teams, or which tied into spin-offs (American Son, I think, came during this). They had limited ability to push issues/arcs around the schedule to accommodate a slow team, so editorial needed a good sense of how quickly different creators worked, and how much advance time to build in to allow for someone breaking their drawing arm halfway through an issue, or something needed to get sent back for extensive rewriting, or whatever might happen. All that stuff is absolutely amazing editing work, even if, as you say, other aspects of the editorial work were less impressive.
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Parasol Prophet posted:I basically spend my months now wanting to read more Vision. The people around me are probably sick of hearing about the goddamn Vision. Vision is great. Vido. 
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Vision's dog's name better be an incredibly long and convoluted acronym that spells a traditional dog name, like B.O.W.S.E.R. or F.I.D.O. or something. That sort of missing-the-point attempts at humanity filtered through their inhumanity that's the core of their comedy and tragedy.
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Teenage Fansub posted:If you're hanging out for Vision, read his creator owned, Sheriff of Babylon. Seconding this - Sheriff of Babylon is fantastic.
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Teenage Fansub posted:It's the issue after next. Ah, that makes sense. And I'll have to check it out! I'm curious about his upcoming Batman, too. There's basically a ton of stuff I'm trying to keep track of in my "Should Read?" list, and I have no idea what I'm likely to enjoy or what has a history of being bad/handled poorly, etc. I'm just grabbing whatever sounds interesting or shows up a lot in the recommendation thread at this point. It's an adventure! E: And my suggestion for Normal Human Dog Name would be that Viv looks up the must common dog name and goes with that, because at this point more than any other it seems like they might be trying to get back to being an average American family before it's too late. Parasol Prophet fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Squizzle posted:The creative logistics of it, I mean, which are very much an editorial responsibility. Wacker's office had to make sure they had enough moving through the pipeline from multiple creative teams working at different paces, to fulfill a pretty punishing release schedule. And they had some subplots and story arcs that unfolded through multiple creative teams, or which tied into spin-offs (American Son, I think, came during this). They had limited ability to push issues/arcs around the schedule to accommodate a slow team, so editorial needed a good sense of how quickly different creators worked, and how much advance time to build in to allow for someone breaking their drawing arm halfway through an issue, or something needed to get sent back for extensive rewriting, or whatever might happen. Yeah, that was a Herculean effort by Wacker. Wacker was also the one who wanted Carol to become Captain Marvel. He deserves a huge pat on the back for that. I'm also a fan of Tom Brevoort, and Tomasi.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I'm skimming, but he's just commenting on the way it's being reported, right? It's The Outhousers, quelle surpise.
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Edge & Christian posted:Eddie Berganza worked on a lot of forgettable 1990s DC comics (he was assistant editor on GL when Kyle Rayner was introduced, was editor of Peter David's Aquaman book for awhile until editorial differences drove PAD off of the book, and edited Young Justice for awhile, that's pretty much anything anyone would remember of Berganza's editorship for the first ten years or so) and then pretty much single handedly discovered Geoff Johns (Johns was internning for Richard Donner and Eddie Berganza met him at Donner's office) He also wrote the Teen Titans feature in Wednesday Comics, which I'm mentioning because it was one of the worst loving things I've ever read.
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Ferrule posted:Not be naive but this is still going on? Some of the stuff in the last few issues has been laugh out loud funny. Lapham is firing on all cylinders again. My top five right now would be Vision Sheriff of Babylon Stray Bullets Southern Bastards Deadly Class
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Squizzle posted:The creative logistics of it, I mean, which are very much an editorial responsibility. Wacker's office had to make sure they had enough moving through the pipeline from multiple creative teams working at different paces, to fulfill a pretty punishing release schedule. And they had some subplots and story arcs that unfolded through multiple creative teams, or which tied into spin-offs (American Son, I think, came during this). They had limited ability to push issues/arcs around the schedule to accommodate a slow team, so editorial needed a good sense of how quickly different creators worked, and how much advance time to build in to allow for someone breaking their drawing arm halfway through an issue, or something needed to get sent back for extensive rewriting, or whatever might happen. I don't know he had like five writers who told like five completely different stories which honestly didn't tie into each other very well. So I just don't see it.
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I liked how each writer had a potential love interest in mind and some outright sabotaged the budding romance with the competing love interests. That's a real sense of coordination the likes of which I haven't seen since that issue of Peter Parker: Spider-man where Peter said you'd have to basically be retarded to not recognize him with blonde hair and a different haircut.
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Where the gently caress is the next Island issue, did the furry issue kill it? In no particular order, my 5: Vision Monstress Wic+Div Squirrel Girl Prophet Prez would be on there but it's in haitus til who knows when?
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I finished Gillen's run on Young Avengers. That seriously might be my most favorite single-shot story arc. Like I love Hickman's "mega run" from Dark Reign: Fantastic Four to Secret Wars better, because it's a crazy epic, but when it comes to contained, "seasonal" storytelling Young Avengers did it better than pretty much everyone else. It came in, told a fantastic evolving story with love and loss and heartbreak, with an absolute ton of comedy sprinkled throughout to keep it light and make the emotive moments land, ended perfectly, and even had a literal party epilogue that sewed up whatever loose ends were lying around. In an industry focused on neverending storytelling (for obvious reasons) Gillen's Young Avengers run just came in, dropped in awesome story, and loving left. It was loving fantastic. Also the art was loving incredible. Like Wiccan getting stuck in the panel only for young Loki to kick in the side of it to release him was some loving brilliant panel layout. The fight scenes to close out the run were all great, and basically everything about Mother's dimension used negative space and pure white to make it this creepy, haunting wrong place. And when Demiurge finally shows up and stands on every panel of the comic made up to that point, that entire layout idea was loving brilliant.
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Toxxupation posted:I finished Gillen's run on Young Avengers. McKelvie is a loving treasure.
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Skwirl posted:McKelvie is a loving treasure. He is, only thing that annoys me at times is his same-y faces and expressions. But he makes it more than up with layouts, clothes and set pieces.
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Lurdiak posted:I liked how each writer had a potential love interest in mind and some outright sabotaged the budding romance with the competing love interests. That's a real sense of coordination the likes of which I haven't seen since that issue of Peter Parker: Spider-man where Peter said you'd have to basically be retarded to not recognize him with blonde hair and a different haircut. Or the two consecutive issues of Sensational Spider-Man where Peter talks to Aunt May via seance & God Himself, both telling him to accept her death and move on right before the arc that involved him selling his marriage to the devil to save her life.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Or the two consecutive issues of Sensational Spider-Man where Peter talks to Aunt May via seance & God Himself, both telling him to accept her death and move on right before the arc that involved him selling his marriage to the devil to save her life. I thought it was incredibly stupid that Peter called in Tony Stark and Reed Richards and they both told him that somehow science couldn't fix the incurable OLD LADY BEING SHOT. There's nothing they could do about it.
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muscles like this? posted:I thought it was incredibly stupid that Peter called in Tony Stark and Reed Richards and they both told him that somehow science couldn't fix the incurable OLD LADY BEING SHOT. There's nothing they could do about it. That's because the entirety of OMD is basically set dressing for Joe Quesada telling the readers 'I'm getting rid of the marriage (and writing MJ out of the book), because I say so'. It was basically the endgame ever since he got in the big chair (since he'd accomplished the two other things he wanted - making mutants a minority again & making heroes stop trusting each other - with House of M & Civil War).
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Yvonmukluk posted:(since he'd accomplished the two other things he wanted - making mutants a minority again & making heroes stop trusting each other - with House of M & Civil War). Haha, what? I knew about the OMD thing (I mean who doesn't at this point?) but adding this makes Quesada sound like a supervillain. "All these heroes are just too drat happy! I'll show them! I'll show them ALLLLL!"
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Volcott posted:Where was Frank/what was he doing before Welcome Back, Frank? An undead angel with divine guns who would shoot the demons responsible for his family's deaths. Sorry you asked.
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