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At least Oliver was stuck on a crazy torture island and then got recruited by the not-CIA black squad, Barry just likes killing people.
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Real question: Has Barry killed more people than Thawne? I mean, if anyone was gonna give Barry the "Now we're the same" speech, it should have been him. By killing Barry's mom he literally turned Barry into a murderer just like him.
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May 29, 2016 01:37
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Marky Marx posted:By killing Barry's mom he literally turned Barry into a murderer just like him. Oh, he's not like the Flash at all.
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May 29, 2016 01:42
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I still don't get time remnants. gently caress that stupid "speed force" lazy writing.
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May 29, 2016 02:50
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The original idea was that a time traveler who dies still has to have done everything they did in their personal past that involved time travel, which in the case of Thawne involves multiple other time jumps that are actually in Barry's future. They didn't go into detail, but it's conceivable Zoom did the same thing. He could have gone back to a point in time after he had discovered time travel and brought a time traveling copy of himself to the present. I suppose he could do that millions of times just by going further back a split second before he appeared the previous time. Barry however seems to have only gone back a few minutes personally and ran beside himself.
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May 29, 2016 03:53
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McSpanky posted:Claudia Black as a bottle blonde with an American accent bordering on John Wayne parody. Claudia Black? Well poo poo, I gotta see that.
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May 29, 2016 04:43
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Nullsmack posted:Claudia Black? Well poo poo, I gotta see that. Yeah don't get me wrong, it's still Claudia Black but the decisions they made about her presentation are just like... why mess with success?
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May 29, 2016 05:00
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Guys, I have figured out time remnants: When the speedster enters the timestream, time begins to correct itself. Let me use this example: Imagine four Jays on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the Jay nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of Jays and takes the place of the first Jay. The formerly first Jay becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff. Time remnants work the same way.
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May 29, 2016 06:39
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Guys, I have figured out time remnants: When the speedster enters the timestream, time begins to correct itself. Let me use this example: Imagine four Jays on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the Jay nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of Jays and takes the place of the first Jay. The formerly first Jay becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff. Time remnants work the same way. Is it Jay if the balls touch?
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May 29, 2016 06:59
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The Dr Seuss book One Jay Two Jay Red Jay Blue Jay explains it pretty well.
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May 29, 2016 08:09
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We should really count our blessings that Barry suddenly decided to not be satisfied with how things turned out and go back in time like that. If he didn't, he would've had to fight Jay's time remnant future son. His, Jay son, if you will.
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May 29, 2016 08:46
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All Zoom wanted was for Barry to accept that he was Jay, and he died for it.
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May 29, 2016 08:57
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RareAcumen posted:We should really count our blessings that Barry suddenly decided to not be satisfied with how things turned out and go back in time like that. If he didn't, he would've had to fight Jay's time remnant future son. dad jay, so what
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May 29, 2016 09:40
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I would of enjoyed more Tony Todd, "You've gotten faster GUUUDDD"
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May 29, 2016 11:46
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So other than Barry throwing a speedforce lightning at Zoom and getting clowned, what were the highlights of this season? I can't think of any. Fake edit: actually the Reverse Flash episode was pretty good. But that's the only other one.
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enraged_camel posted:So other than Barry throwing a speedforce lightning at Zoom and getting clowned, what were the highlights of this season? I can't think of any. 'Your toys, give them to me.'
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May 29, 2016 12:58
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enraged_camel posted:So other than Barry throwing a speedforce lightning at Zoom and getting clowned, what were the highlights of this season? I can't think of any. King Shark
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enraged_camel posted:So other than Barry throwing a speedforce lightning at Zoom and getting clowned, what were the highlights of this season? I can't think of any. Barry visits the Speedforce was pretty good, as was the season finale. The crossover was good too.
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May 29, 2016 13:23
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Time remnants made sense to me in the Reverse-Flash episode, though even there, I don't think the whole "he was traveling in the Speed Force" part was wholly necessary to the explanation. I think it functioned fine without that. I think I sort of understand how it worked when Zoom was doing it to create doppelgängers of himself, but I can't recall whether he was taking copies of himself from his past or his future. I assume it would have to be the latter.
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May 29, 2016 13:47
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The past actually. They could die with impunity because if Zoom didn't exist to take them from the past it would create a paradox, so he has to continue to exist no matter what.
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May 29, 2016 13:57
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I see. That's an interesting way of doing it.
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It just seems kind of dumb to me that you could grab a doppelganger, have him die, and it has no lasting consequences.
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May 29, 2016 14:27
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The consequence is the time wraith comes for you.
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boom boom boom posted:I don't understand what Time Remnants are, how they work, or what their limits are. So you go back in time 10 minutes or whatever. Now there are two yous there, the 'you' that is there naturally and the 'now+10 minutes' you that went back in time. Now+10 You can run around a doohickey so fast he dies, which ends his personal timeline because he's dead. But because what he did changes the timeline, Now+0 You no longer has to go back in time 10 minutes from now in order to die. Zoom did the same thing in that alley fight. The Zoom that died was the Zoom that came back in time, so when the 'now' Zoom killed him nothing changed (except we see how hosed up Zoom is in the head) because that death happened in the remaining Zoom's future (one which will no longer happen). It's basically a huge time cheat. Also, holy gently caress we're doing Flashpoint. 
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May 29, 2016 15:55
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WarLocke posted:So you go back in time 10 minutes or whatever. Now there are two yous there, the 'you' that is there naturally and the 'now+10 minutes' you that went back in time. Barry sometimes replaces himself when time travelling to the past (seamingly when time travelling for a short period maybe?) and other times existing as a double from the future, but I don't think the writers will bother to address this. And the other inconsistency, I think that both Zoom and Barry explained what they did by "I went to the past..." which means that the "copy" that survived is the one that came from the future. Otherwise they would have said "future Zoom/Barry visited and...." . But that according to the above theory creates the paradox of a future self staying in the present and killing their past self which is "required" for them to exist. Thus actuallly rendering themselves as time remnants.
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May 29, 2016 16:32
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AbstractNapper posted:And the other inconsistency, I think that both Zoom and Barry explained what they did by "I went to the past..." which means that the "copy" that survived is the one that came from the future. Otherwise they would have said "future Zoom/Barry visited and...." . But that according to the above theory creates the paradox of a future self staying in the present and killing their past self which is "required" for them to exist. Thus actuallly rendering themselves as time remnants. "I went to the past..." works if you're Barry and are used to thinking temporally. You look to your left, see another you, who proceeds to kill himself fixing the doohickey. You can presumably deduce that at some point in the future you'll time travel back to do it. But saying "a version of me from the future came back..." is a big mouthful. It's not what the show describes as happening, but the way the show describes it makes no sense to me, so...
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May 29, 2016 16:39
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Time remnants are never going to be wholly consistent because they first came up with the concept just to have Reverse Flash come back "after" he died, and then later as some weirdo  handwave to have Zoom be Jay, then finally as a straight-up speedster special meter attack. "I can't do that all the time, I have to have all 5 dramatic tension bars filled before I can use Ultra Crisis Reference #3."
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May 29, 2016 17:04
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This show is basically live action Dragonball Z and I loving love it. Even when it's bad. I was grinning all the way through the finale, and it totally made up for those episodes where i skipped through the pointless west family drama. I dunno, maybe I'm not as discerning as a lot of posters here, I don't watch a lot of TV as it airs but these silly cw superhero soap operas just make my inner child hop around while waving his action figures. I'm excited to see what grand cluster gently caress season 3 brings us!
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enraged_camel posted:So other than Barry throwing a speedforce lightning at Zoom and getting clowned, what were the highlights of this season? I can't think of any. 
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Mooseontheloose posted:Barry visits the Speedforce was pretty good, as was the season finale. The crossover was good too. I liked both crossovers.
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May 29, 2016 17:43
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Other highlights: Kevin Smith directing an episode competently (please don't let him write an episode!) And those pants:  Also, giving Candice Patton more to do than pine over her lost love(s).
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May 29, 2016 17:44
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Marky Marx posted:Am I the only one disappointed that they redeeed the Pied Piper and we haven't seen jack of him since? He and Cisco would make a good power duo for the show imo. The dude playing him is busy being successful on broadway, pretty much.
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May 29, 2016 17:57
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Was there an explanation about Zoom's eyes turing black/demonic when Barry tried to capture him?
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May 29, 2016 18:39
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AbstractNapper posted:Was there an explanation about Zoom's eyes turing black/demonic when Barry tried to capture him? You know the answer to this.
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May 29, 2016 18:43
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Chokes McGee posted:You know the answer to this.
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May 29, 2016 18:55
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CainsDescendant posted:This show is basically live action Dragonball Z and I loving love it. This was exactly what I was thinking when Barry got sucked into the Speedforce. Hero has to run until he gets his life/powers back seemed familiar.
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May 29, 2016 19:10
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AtraMorS posted:Darkforce? Writersforce, ain't gotta explain poo poo.
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May 29, 2016 19:21
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Is Supergirl a good show? Or well, good and good with these DC shows... Is it as bad as Flash is, but not as terrible as Arrow?
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May 29, 2016 19:51
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It's less plot oriented and more week to week, which has its advantages and disadvantages. It starts out pretty bad but does fix a number of the major issues by the end of the season, so we'll just have to see how far they backpedal.
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Dongattack posted:Is Supergirl a good show? Or well, good and good with these DC shows... Is it as bad as Flash is, but not as terrible as Arrow? Supergirl definitely has the strongest cast acting chops by far. Benoist kills it in ways that Gustin/Amell don't (red krytonite episode being a highlight)
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