Ghost of Mussolini posted:

Largely agree that Quill is better than Arrumba, but the best one has to be DDRjake. Maybe you guys aren't counting him because he's a dev, but his youtube channel is filled with a lot of very hard runs. As far as EU4 goes he kept finding ways to break the game. I assume he will do the same with HOI4.

cKnoor posted:

If you're looking for game breaking stuff you're probably better off with Daniel than Jake. Not saying that Jake won't be able to break the game. Just that breaking the game has partly been his job.
*Specifically for HOI 4 that is.

Phi230 posted:

HoI4 has no supply, resource consumption, or HQs to speak of.

So how is it a wargame?

Gort posted:

The best wargames have six-hundred-layer simulations of every weapon and piece of equipment a division has while being effectively identical to "US divisions have 12 soft attack, Japanese ones have 10"

Phi230 posted:

HoI4 has no supply, resource consumption, or HQs to speak of.

So how is it a wargame?

Pop and Loch Nessy posted:

Does Daniel have a youtube channel?

Gort posted:

The best wargames have six-hundred-layer simulations of every weapon and piece of equipment a division has while being effectively identical to "US divisions have 12 soft attack, Japanese ones have 10"

Phi230 posted:

HoI4 has no supply, resource consumption, or HQs to speak of.

So how is it a wargame?

Gort posted:

The best wargames have six-hundred-layer simulations of every weapon and piece of equipment a division has while being effectively identical to "US divisions have 12 soft attack, Japanese ones have 10"

Zeroisanumber posted:

Yes. People playing the loving game wrong(!!!) is why I have trouble with streams and Lets Plays. I admit that the problem is almost totally on my end.

Phi230 posted:

HoI4 has no supply, resource consumption, or HQs to speak of.

So how is it a wargame?

Tuskin38 posted:

Huh, there are supplies and resources.

bewbies posted:

Any realistic depiction of military logistics would very quickly change a piece of software from "game" to "work you don't get paid for".

bewbies posted:

Any realistic depiction of military logistics would very quickly change a piece of software from "game" to "work you don't get paid for".

Phi230 posted:

HoI4 has no supply, resource consumption, or HQs to speak of.

So how is it a wargame?

Wooper posted:

imagine a transport tycoon train game about supplying a fickle ai


and transporting POWs to camps

Wooper posted:

paradox cant do poo poo about my kickstarter

Wooper posted:

imagine a transport tycoon train game about supplying a fickle ai


and transporting POWs to camps

ArchangeI posted:

People have already been asking on steam about Holocaust mods - not because they are Nazis, you see, it's just really important that all of WWII history is present. All of it. Especially the genocides.

Top Hats Monthly posted:

Whens the embargo up?

Gamerofthegame posted:

Part of me is curious how some elements of the game are even going to work in practice. Like, we have this whole fluffed up peace negotiations system, but will that even really come into play? Potentially as a sort of "score" if you get poo poo sided your way, but still.

Smoremaster posted:

embargo ends thursday, so i guess it's already up if it's based on swedish time

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Am I the only one incredibly disappointed in the way Paradox have handled politics in HOI4? You went from the good model and precedent set in HOI43 and DH too something horribly simple, previously you had a collection of political ideologies that logically professed from one side to another

Stalinist > Leninist > Left Wing Radical > Social Democrat > Social Liberal > Market Liberal > Social Conservative > Paternal Autocrat > Fascist > National Socialist

Politics was never too indepth and it added another element to the war, appointing ministers based on their skills, but having to consider dissent hits when swapping out a minister, events relating to scandals and realignments, and parties of certain ideologies drifting you towards a certain faction in HOI3. It also adds that extra large of flavour to the game, seeing the men and women who make up your govemrent and what positions they hood, rather than just having a Head of State.

Yet now your spectrum is simply:

Communist > Democrat > Fascist

It's a horribly simplistic model that doesn't reflect reality at all, and just plays into the traditional motion of the 'axis vs allies'

Hungary for example is Fascist with their ruling party 'The Horthy faction', but the truth of the matter is that Hungary was a parliamentary constitutional monarchy (with Horthy as regent), governed by a Conservative party, they're somehow now fascist under a fictional faction simply because they were in the Axis. Most of the independent Axis powers could fall into this category too other than Germany and Italy, they didn't join the wsr because they fell into the fascist faction and that was the Axis side, most were Conservative constitutional monarchies which joined out of opportunity and through pressure (in game being aligned to a faction in HOI3 by its leader)

Then giving each party a single '''Democratic" party to serve as the Allied aligned parry is just nonsense too, considering nearly all the allies were multiparty democracies, not bland states with 3 parties. The United Kingdoms parliament wasn't just the Conservatives, the Communist Party of Great Britain, and the British Union of Fascists - in fact after the 1935 election, the CPGB had one seat, and the BUF 0, of 100, and the Conservatives still only held just over half the seats, did the rest just vanished. Having the Democrats just become the Republicans (likely the same with Conservatives and Labour in the UK) is a rather sad attempt to address the issue. Previously democracies had plenty of parties of multiple ideologies, and didn't just drift to the Allies because they shared the same basic government form, it seems like simplification for simplification's sake honestly.

As much as some elements are marked improvements I feel like Politics is a major step back, and I can see my hope political systems and ideology limits are not hard coded. That said the coup system at least sounds interesting.

Top Hats Monthly posted:

Gamerofthegame posted:

Part of me is curious how some elements of the game are even going to work in practice. Like, we have this whole fluffed up peace negotiations system, but will that even really come into play? Potentially as a sort of "score" if you get poo poo sided your way, but still.

The Narrator posted:

Was there ever actual relationship effects between (say) a Leninist country and a Radical Leftist country in previous HoIs? For that matter, was there ever potential for interesting effects from having ministers that weren't aligned with your party (e.g. a National Socialist country having a Paternal Autocrat minister)? The party popularity/organisation in HoI3 also seemed like it could've been interesting and fun, but there was never really much way to interact with the system, so it was mostly fun for the computer to process it.

That poster also can't seem to consider that a country's "democratic" party popularity can just be broadly representative of those countries' Social Democrat-Social Liberal-Market Liberal-Social Conservative parties anyway.

Also I'd argue that the game reducing things to "axis vs allies" [vs comintern] helps the theme in the same way it does in Twilight Struggle.