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CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
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Volcott posted:

They find magic dilithium that lets them go warp 10, which shouldn't be a thing, and it turns paris into a lizard. He then kidnaps janeway, warp 10s again and they have lizard sex. They leave the kids on a random planet because what the gently caress are they going to do with them on a space ship. The end.

I mean I get the that and am aware of the of the plot, but is it bad enough that its good or just overhyped bad or mediocre?! I guess there is only one way to find out.

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criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
Meanwhile, in the TNG finale All Good Things..., the future ships were cruising around at warp 13, and no one was a lizard.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
To boldly go, as they say

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

I mean I get the that and am aware of the of the plot, but is it bad enough that its good or just overhyped bad or mediocre?! I guess there is only one way to find out.

It's overhyped bad. It's just a mediocre episode with a really stupid ending.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

Ok I've never watched much of Voyager. Maybe most of season 1 before I gave up. Should I or shouldn't I watch Threshold because this thread kinda got me amped up for it.

No, unless your unsober.

The problem with Voyager is that it really isn't a terrible show, just bland. Voyager leaves most people with an empty unsatisfied feeling like they've wasted an hour of their life when anything else done with that time could've been more rewarding.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jun 2, 2016

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde

criscodisco posted:

It's overhyped bad. It's just a mediocre episode with a really stupid ending.

Aw shucks, thank you though.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

criscodisco posted:

Meanwhile, in the TNG finale All Good Things..., the future ships were cruising around at warp 13, and no one was a lizard.

they installed lizard dampeners in their ships

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Volcott posted:

They find magic dilithium that lets them go warp 10, which shouldn't be a thing, and it turns paris into a lizard. He then kidnaps janeway, warp 10s again and they have lizard sex. They leave the kids on a random planet because what the gently caress are they going to do with them on a space ship. The end.

Also Tom at one point cannot breathe oxygen.

Grandma Panic!
Nov 4, 2006

Crowsbeak posted:

Also Tom at one point cannot breathe oxygen.

i am not even going to read this or look it up

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


DS9 "The Storyteller", we learn that the Bajorans are both on the verge of civil war over minor tribal land claims and are held in thrall in terror by a fog machine and light show. They simultaneously permit themselves to be governed by children and use fertile women as currency. One visiting leader of the Bajoran people assaults a visible minority serving-man within minutes of coming aboard. The other is enamored with a simple food replicator.

Clearly, a culture, a planet, a people worth going to great lengths to rush them into the federation. All that value they could bring with them between the season-spanning risk of famine, bombing campaigns and anti-Cardassian pogroms.

In any Bajoran-centric episode I always feel so bad for long suffering Gul Dukat, for all he went through to, all the restraint he had to show in teaching those savages the delicate intricacies of intensive mining and ore-reprocessing techniques. He tried to bring art and technology to a race of fanatical bigots.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
I mean, after a decades-long planet-wide holocaust/bondage, strong emphasis on religion and amazement at "new" technology should probably be expected.

twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level
EDITS you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jbP1_H9sA

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Big Mean Jerk posted:

I mean, after a decades-long planet-wide holocaust/bondage, strong emphasis on religion and amazement at "new" technology should probably be expected.

There was no evidence of any holocaust, ever, brought to the credible attention of any stellar governance body. The Cardassians were maligned by propaganda, but even in the worst-case retelling of the history of the so-called "occupation" the only "mass" deaths on record were workplace accidents, riot suppression and defensive maneuvers to thwart terror campaigns by fanatical guerrillas who killed Bajoran and Cardassian alike. Mining, rock-breaking and drink-serving in an officers club are dangerous lines of work, true, but they are foundational to the establishment of any civilization and only the Cardassians were willing to come in and teach such a combative, vindictive populace.

The federation itself cared nothing for and wanted nothing to do with Bajor until after they had finally become adept at the Cardassian art of turning crushed rock into slag into ore.

shadow puppet of a fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jun 2, 2016

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
"You are standing in a thread. Someone has made an insightful post."
LOOK AT insightful post
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HATE post
"I don't understand"
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"You shit on the post. Why."
dukat did nothing wrong

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

shadow puppet of a posted:

There was no evidence of any holocaust, ever, brought to the credible attention of any stellar governance body. The Cardassians were maligned by propaganda, but even in the worst-case retelling of the history of the so-called "occupation" the only "mass" deaths on record were workplace accidents, riot suppression and defensive maneuvers to thwart terror campaigns by fanatical guerrillas who killed Bajoran and Cardassian alike. Mining, rock-breaking and drink-serving in an officers club are dangerous lines of work, true, but they are foundational to the establishment of any civilization and only the Cardassians were willing to come in and teach such a combative, vindictive populace.

The federation itself cared nothing for and wanted nothing to do with Bajor until after they had finally become adept at the Cardassian art of turning crushed rock into slag into ore.

Uh there is that episode where we see the Cardies using Bajoran women as sex slaves like the Japanese did to the Koreans.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Crowsbeak posted:

Uh there is that episode where we see the Cardies using Bajoran women as sex slaves like the Japanese did to the Koreans.

It was far closer to a Bunny Ranch situation where the legal, fully above-board and in-protocol option to sleep with dozens of strapping Cardassian men (to be so fortunate!) was offered up as a career choice as a higher growth opportunity than in the field of ores and ore reprocessing.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

shadow puppet of a posted:

It was far closer to a Bunny Ranch situation where the legal, fully above-board and in-protocol option to sleep with dozens of strapping Cardassian men (to be so fortunate!) was offered up as a career choice as a higher growth opportunity than in the field of ores and ore reprocessing.

Hey starvation, or prostitution, thats a good choice.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Crowsbeak posted:

Hey starvation, or prostitution, thats a good choice.

Starvation, prostitution or ore mining, where one of those three options carried the additional risk of being attacked by Bajoran guerrilla partisans. How is it the Cardassian's fault that the Bajorans never developed the sort of aptness with filing systems that would have allowed them to participate in more administrative roles during the supervised planetary educational period? They are essentially uncontacted tribes people, you cant just sit them down in front of a SAP terminal an somehow expect vial ore reprocessing quotas to still be met.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

My favourite part of DS9 is that they had to start writing Gul Dukat as an insane madman because Marc Alaimo is so charismatic that people actually believed Dukat's bullshit.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

shadow puppet of a posted:

Starvation, prostitution or ore mining, where one of those three options carried the additional risk of being attacked by Bajoran guerrilla partisans. How is it the Cardassian's fault that the Bajorans never developed the sort of aptness with filing systems that would have allowed them to participate in more administrative roles during the supervised planetary educational period? They are essentially uncontacted tribes people, you cant just sit them down in front of a SAP terminal an somehow expect vial ore reprocessing quotas to still be met.

You sound like a filing clerk pretending to be a general who has Kalla-Nohra Syndrome.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Crowsbeak posted:

You sound like a filing clerk pretending to be a general who has Kalla-Nohra Syndrome.

I wasn't at Gallitep, Major. I was Gallitep!

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

shadow puppet of a posted:

I wasn't at Gallitep, Major. I was Gallitep!

It was genocide.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Blistex posted:

Miles O'Brian thread was the greatest thing ever.

The funniest thing about that thread (which is one of my favorites) was how it was never Gold Mined, just forgotten, like O'Brian

FrensaGeran posted:

That dude wants 40 bucks for an autograph I'm not made of money

You should have asked him to do a Jonathan Frakes for :10bux:

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one

BattleMaster posted:

My favourite part of DS9 is that they had to start writing Gul Dukat as an insane madman because Marc Alaimo is so charismatic that people actually believed Dukat's bullshit.
DS9 was so good. I love that a series made aliens like the cardassians and bajorins out to be as flawed with silly nuances as humans. I see piccard as the idealist, sisko as the realist, and janeway as the gently caress off I don't want to watch star trek anymore. Wasn't there some other star trek series after voyager? I know it existed but I never watched it and don't know anything about it.

I started watching voyager again sometime before this thread cropped up because I was horribly bored with all existing televisions. I didn't get very far, even the brief light that is the doctor episodes can't bring me in. I'd rather watch nothing at all than watch voyager.

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started watching TNG beginning with season 2. Very much enjoyed the awkwardness and contempt picard shows wesley in the lift

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

criscodisco posted:

Meanwhile, in the TNG finale All Good Things..., the future ships were cruising around at warp 13, and no one was a lizard.

Let's not forget that warp speed was supposed to be logarithmic in TOS, so Warp 10 was instantaneous point to point travel!

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it

Sanctum posted:

Wasn't there some other star trek series after voyager? I know it existed but I never watched it and don't know anything about it.

Enterprise. It had Scott Bakula as the captain. It had absolutely top-notch production values, and looked nothing short of stunning in HD. Unfortunately, Bakula was stiff and boring, and most of the episodes are stale rehashings of old Trek scripts, with a few hidden gems buried in the muck.

It did start to get interesting just around the time it got canceled, and wound up with a finale that was, frankly, insulting to anyone who had stuck with the series.

I enjoyed it for the most part, but I'm easily swayed by starship porn.

Also Trip, the engineer, was by far the sexiest Trek cast member to exist. Now the actor is doing a bunch of awful SyFy movies.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

"duhhh... catfish" -trip

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
So a guy really likes catfish, so what? I'd still let him poz my wormhole.

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec
I liked the enterprise episode where hoshi had to find out what malcolm likes to eat and discovers he has no friends and not even his family likes him.

Gutcruncher
Apr 16, 2005

Go home and be a family man!
What like some kind of... Reed Alert?

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

I like how there were like several episodes where Hoshi's primary concern is the wellbeing of one of Phlox's slugs.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

criscodisco posted:

So a guy really likes catfish, so what? I'd still let him poz my wormhole.

It's just that a combination of his accent, characterization, and acting skills made him come across as incredibly unintelligent, and other than that the only things I even can remember about him is how he constantly made sure we remembered he likes catfish and that one time he got pregnant

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Hector Beerlioz posted:

I liked the enterprise episode where hoshi had to find out what malcolm likes to eat and discovers he has no friends and not even his family likes him.

I liked the one where they meet their descendants and it's revealed that Malcolm died alone and the rest of the crew were trying to console him by saying that only a third of the crew were women but this turns out to be bullshit because it also says that Archer had kids with some alien woman they picked up, so they were recruiting other people and he still died alone.

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec
I liked the episodes where travis and hoshi stood in the background and didn't have any lines

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Cthulu Carl posted:

I like how there were like several episodes where Hoshi's primary concern is the wellbeing of one of Phlox's slugs.

Empress Hoshi in the Mirror Universe arc was a legit good/hilarious ending. Did not see that coming.

In my second year of University I had a class where we had a group project and my group had 3 international students from Korea. At the time Linda Park and Grace Park were the two biggest Koreans on North American TV, and the two Korean girls and one Korean guy in my group would always mention how pissed they were that the two ugliest Koreans alive were stars in the US. Thank god they never watched Grey's Anatomy.

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
an un-plastic surgeried face must have come as a real shock

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011

BattleMaster posted:

My favourite part of DS9 is that they had to start writing Gul Dukat as an insane madman because Marc Alaimo is so charismatic that people actually believed Dukat's bullshit.

lol is this really true? I figured it was just Ronald D. Moore being his usual lovely self ruining good characters with bullshit plots.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Dukat did nothing wrong.

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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

This will always be his best one, and the best Star Trek edit ever!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxCW9xmamzQ

Germstore posted:

an un-plastic surgeried face must have come as a real shock

Pretty much! They didn't like grace park because she was too dark, and her eyebrows were too big, and her nose was too big, and her chin was too big. . . etc. They didn't like Linda Park because her head and nose were too big and her body was too flat.

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