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Now that I think about it, Bava's early work was also confusing with regard to the whole "Is she a witch or a vampire or both and maybe also a ghost or something?" issue.
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# ? Jun 28, 2016 20:06 |
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I don't think they were witches. I just think they were hosed up, sadistic people. Hahaha this is awful, but when leaving the theater, the first thing my buddy says is, "They should have just named it 'Cunts: The Movie'."
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# ? Jun 28, 2016 20:24 |
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THORIUM posted:I don't think they were witches. I just think they were hosed up, sadistic people.
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# ? Jun 28, 2016 21:17 |
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THORIUM posted:I don't think they were witches. I just think they were hosed up, sadistic people. It doesn't matter if they were actual witches or not, the imagery and the way they ritualistically eat her is evocative of witchcraft. GonSmithe fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jun 28, 2016 |
# ? Jun 28, 2016 21:25 |
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Three older women killing a new girl and eating her/bathing in her blood to acquire her youthful essence is like, the stock standard witch story.
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# ? Jun 28, 2016 21:39 |
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Witch stories aren't scary though.
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 00:52 |
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In a deleted scene, we see them signing a form with the Neon Demon, thus qualifying them legally in the state of Dream California that they are, indeed, registered witches and not fake witches.
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 03:59 |
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Witches aren't hot as poo poo and they don't take lezzy showers together, blood covered or not.
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 04:02 |
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The screenplay for this movie is so loving bad. Some of the lines, my god. Refn should stick to directing other people's screenplays.
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 04:27 |
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So, do you think the end of the film has kind of a Hegelian thing going on? (sorry everyone, I'm being that guy) The three gals consume Jesse to steal her youth and beauty or whatever. Or just to continue the way things have always been in Los Angeles. Sarah is the Thesis, consuming the young and becoming more beautiful and noticed by the photographer, propping up the system as it is. Gigi is the Antithesis, unable to handle having Jesse inside of her, unable to hold it together trying to get rid of Jesse, eventually killing herself. Ruby would then be the Synthesis, consuming the young, but letting it pass through her peacefully on a moonlit night. Is this a "new way"? If that reading holds (and I'm still working on it), it makes me wonder what the "synthesis" means for the denizens of Los Angeles. It feels like Ruby would represent a hopeful step forward, but the Neon Demon doesn't strike me as a hopeful film. (My knowledge of Hegel is limited to Philosophize This podcasts and Zizek videos, so feel free to call me out on that!)
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 13:06 |
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Vegetable posted:The screenplay for this movie is so loving bad. Some of the lines, my god. *in Maude Lebowski voice* The story is ludicrous
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 14:06 |
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Anal Surgery posted:So, do you think the end of the film has kind of a Hegelian thing going on? (sorry everyone, I'm being that guy)
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 14:51 |
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Can we all agree the best part of the movie is the lip twitch at the end? Because that was loving hilarious.
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 14:57 |
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THORIUM posted:Witches aren't hot as poo poo and they don't take lezzy showers together, blood covered or not. Um excuse me
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 15:19 |
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Josh Lyman posted:My only complaint coming out of the film was a disconnect between movie time and real time. Jesse definitely seemed like an ingenue at the beginning, but her transformation, specifically in that scene where she shruggs off her "boyfriend" at the restaurant, seemed to happen too quickly from the viewer's perspective, like there needed to be 15 minutes of scenes in between. I thought this was pretty obvious. She's this doe-eyed, innocent virgin who doesn't understand the ruthlessness of the business or how good-looking she is. The photoshoot with the creepy Terry Richardson guy makes her start becoming aware of her own beauty/power, which gets followed by the audition for that designer (her attempt to be supportive/sympathetic is met with getting her hand sliced open and Sarah trying to drink her blood). Once she does the fashion show with Gigi and gets picked to close, she sees the triangles (I guess this is the neon demon in the title?), sees herself in them making out with her own reflection, and then switches over to the 'darker' personality (which is symbolized with the shift from blue to red in the film's colours). At that point she becomes fully aware/accepting of her power, and turns into the narcissistic/icy personality for the rest of the movie. I didn't think this was done too quickly, they dedicated an entire ridiculous sequence to it and started that build from the beginning of the movie. I think the issue is that it doesn't feel earned or "natural" (hard to use that word given how hyperstylized all of it is, but I'm talking about the progression).
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 16:39 |
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GonSmithe posted:Can we all agree the best part of the movie is the lip twitch at the end? Because that was loving hilarious. Best part? No. Hilarious? Hell yeah.
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# ? Jun 29, 2016 22:02 |
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Yoshifan823 posted:Best part? No. Hilarious? Hell yeah. Best part was
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 00:00 |
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Vegetable posted:The screenplay for this movie is so loving bad. Some of the lines, my god. "Are you food, or sex?" is my favorite line in a movie in a long time. Also everything Keanu Reeves says. And "Beauty isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing" is really funny in a Refn movie. I didn't love the movie, but it's got some spectacular lines. GonSmithe posted:Can we all agree the best part of the movie is the lip twitch at the end? Because that was loving hilarious.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 01:59 |
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I dug this, Suspiria meets Dorian Gray meets 3 Women kind of thing.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 07:31 |
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Dorian Gray, the Dallamano version? I've been meaning to see that. The library here has a surprising collection of Italian 60s and 70s stuff.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 14:11 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Dorian Gray, the Dallamano version? I've been meaning to see that. The library here has a surprising collection of Italian 60s and 70s stuff. Nah I just meant the book, which I read maybe 60% of in high school.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 17:16 |
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I saw this the other night and because no one was going to see it, they threw it up in theatre 7 with the broken bass speaker, ugh. I haven't yet seen any of Refn's other movies, I have a real bad habit of never seeing movies with a lot of hype. Reading this thread did help me with the catwalk scene, which kinda went over my head, and does sort of help put into perspective the weird pacing when Jessie becomes mean, the scene could have definitely conveyed a passage of time, as well as the change in Jessie I also didn't think I was going to like this because I have a hard time liking movies when characters aren't relatable, and I don't relate to the fashion world AT ALL. But I can tell I'm growing out of that, it offered alot of good stuff on beauty and how it relates to purity. Maybe a bit heavy handed but still, real nice.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 21:31 |
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I did not particularly enjoy watching this film, but I did like it. It functions well as a misanthropic fable. Easily my least favorite Refn film, though. There wasn't much to any of the characters.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 21:57 |
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What I really want now is a Pusher-style film about Keanu's character.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 22:05 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:There wasn't much to any of the characters. I feel like this was due to the incredibly accurate portrayal of individuals who work in the fashion world.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 22:23 |
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Ahaha I just learned Refn is colourblind.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:54 |
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:Ahaha I just learned Refn is colourblind. When I learned this, everything about the way all of his movies looks makes perfect sense.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:38 |
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I believe a direct quote from him was something like "if I didn't make movies with so much contrast I wouldn't be able to see them"
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:39 |
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Hm, I usually love NWR but I felt kind of bored with this one (and I loved Valhalla Rising) for about the last third of the movie. Also the loud rear end punching sound from the other model whacking her at the end was really jarring and a little comical. Not to mention the (I felt) over the top 'squishy'/gross sounds during the necro scene and with the eyeball. I am not grossed out by stuff, it's just that it sounded too fake, like someone stuck their hand in a bowl of spaghetti. Maybe my theater's sound was up too loud? I really liked Ruby. EDIT: Oh and the song during the credits owned.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 01:09 |
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MinibarMatchman posted:Keanu Reeves assaults the 13 yr old next door . I got to thinking about that part after watching it today, and I thought that there was a possibility that that wasn't actually Keanu assaulting her, it was the photographer that Jesse snubbed earlier. Yes, we see Keanu assaulting Jesse in a dream just before that but in the dream he quietly unlocks the door with the key he has. Compare that to how it occurs in reality, the intruder struggles with just the lock on the knob, and then Jesse goes to latch the deadbolt which was not latched. If it were Keanu, then he'd have quietly unlocked the non-deadbolted door or at least tried his key first before struggling with the doorknob. It wasn't necessarily the photographer but I don't think it was Keanu either.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 05:17 |
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King Vidiot posted:I got to thinking about that part after watching it today, and I thought that there was a possibility that that wasn't actually Keanu assaulting her, it was the photographer that Jesse snubbed earlier. I had the same thought , there's really no indication that Keanu is doing anything wrong. The photographer doesn't seem like a violent predator, so my guess is random cannibal fashion witch.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 05:30 |
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King Vidiot posted:I got to thinking about that part after watching it today, and I thought that there was a possibility that that wasn't actually Keanu assaulting her, it was the photographer that Jesse snubbed earlier. As seen earlier in the film, he's really, really bad at opening doors.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 05:54 |
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So I don't think the following reviewer would like that alt title I mentioned, "Cunts: The Movie." http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/12024924/neon-demon-review-refn-necrophilia-scene That One Girl in Undergrad posted:The Neon Demon tries to both fetishize and vilify young girls. It fails. This entire review absolutely slays me. She is so so very angry, and she doesn't understand the film at all -- only superficially (hint hint).
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 07:38 |
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THORIUM posted:So I don't think the following reviewer would like that alt title I mentioned, "Cunts: The Movie." I don't agree that this film is beyond feminist, or at least I'm confused by what that means... But ya this person is kind of a dumb dumb. If it was actually Refn's intention to paint all women with the same brush of narcissism and whatnot then, yes, he is a douche bag. But I'm very sure that's not the case, and I'm very sure the person misread the film. Its sort of confusing to me that people confuse media or art that contains sexist content as sexist itself. We live in a sexist world, and it only makes sense that it would be reflected in our media and art.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 08:50 |
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When content needs to drive clicks in an outrage culture, it can be hard to tell who's facetious, sincere, or just stupid.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 10:27 |
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eats-almonds posted:I don't agree that this film is beyond feminist, or at least I'm confused by what that means... But ya this person is kind of a dumb dumb. If it was actually Refn's intention to paint all women with the same brush of narcissism and whatnot then, yes, he is a douche bag. But I'm very sure that's not the case, and I'm very sure the person misread the film. Its sort of confusing to me that people confuse media or art that contains sexist content as sexist itself. We live in a sexist world, and it only makes sense that it would be reflected in our media and art. Yeah, I thought the entire film highlighted just how toxic the male gaze was, how it twisted and warped and destroyed things. That was kind of the cheeky irony of making it about lesbian vampire models: the real dark poo poo was the men making it all possible.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 13:13 |
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"a series of less and less realistic decisions" is pretty funny.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 13:17 |
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that's not the best written review ever but I can understand why people would be upset at this movie if the director said it was "beyond feminist" because lol at that designation. "Men are just the boyfriends" is a hollow line especially once the girl in the motel gets assaulted after the dream about Keanu Reeves. If anything it shows that both sexes are equally dangerous to Jessie.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 13:42 |
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THORIUM posted:So I don't think the following reviewer would like that alt title I mentioned, "Cunts: The Movie." So tonight I'm going to show my wife The Bird with the Crystal Plumage.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 14:01 |
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:As seen earlier in the film, he's really, really bad at opening doors. Yeah, you're right. The fact that it's that door in particular giving him problems would suggest that it's him.
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