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DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.
To be honest I wouldn't be so fast to give Garnet the phone considering what happened last time.

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Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

I googled CBT and only got Cognitive Behavioral Therapy stuff, decided to look it up on tumblr and, uhhhhh, that's a lot of stuff alright. :stare: But I still got no idea what CBT is.

german porn enthusiast
Dec 29, 2015

by exmarx

This is from that blog and is the most amazing thing

Raserys
Aug 22, 2011

IT'S YA BOY
I was mistaken, jeff is wearing a blue shirt, so clearly he would be Blue Diamond, not White

Test Pattern
Dec 20, 2007

Keep scrolling, clod!
I loved how Ruby and Sapphire's differing intrusive thoughts were portrayed. Ruby getting all mad at that one butterfly versus Sapphire drowning in the the endless spiral of possible futures. Also impressed that they managed to cover both the interior work of CBT and similar systems AND AT THE SAME TIME portray the value of having someone just be present for you: note that Ruby, Steven, and Connje helped Sapphire, Connie, and Steven, respectively, not by doing anything, but by just being actively present for their partner.

Loved the episode. I guess the sky arena is over the Alps?

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Jesus christ how can this show be so good? That episode was fantastic.

Edit: The last line was perfect.

GATOS Y VATOS fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Aug 26, 2016

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

metalloid posted:

This is from that blog and is the most amazing thing



It's a reblog of Jeff Liu's promo

Here's Hori's promo



and here's Colin Howward's

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Its like the episode promo got put in an anime centrifuge, and split into two different promos.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Requesting gifs of the 2 best parts of the episode.

Holo-Pearls Fusion Dance
Steven+Connies Funky Fusion Dance

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

Infinitum posted:

Requesting gifs of the 2 best parts of the episode.

Holo-Pearls Fusion Dance
Steven+Connies Funky Fusion Dance

extremely disappointed i moused over both of these and neither was 'stevonnie's flutter jump'

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Pretty much just singing and crying, and now Connie knows what Ruby and Sapphire look like.

snucks
Nov 3, 2008

Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

I googled CBT and only got Cognitive Behavioral Therapy stuff, decided to look it up on tumblr and, uhhhhh, that's a lot of stuff alright. :stare: But I still got no idea what CBT is.
Ignoring feelings of anxiety and depression lead to them building up in a paralyzing cycle called rumination. Confronting these feelings in a safe environment where you can evaluate their logic in an emotionally detached way, either through meditation, journal keeping or conversation with a loved one, helps people realize these feelings don't have to control them. Sometimes (as in Connie's case) there is a clear resolution to these feelings and confrontation can clear them up, and sometimes (as in Steven's case) your past decisions have irreparable consequences that can be hard to come to terms with, but allowing yourself to openly grieve over these issues is still more useful than allowing them to reside as something shameful and unexamined that can mutate into a generalized self-loathing.
People who are scientifically minded regard CBT in high esteem because it seems to be routinely the most effective form of therapy for a pretty broad swath of anxiety and mood disorders but it's also been around long enough to have a lot of complicated offshoots, so getting a concise summary of it from wikipedia is a clusterfuck. This episode was impressive to me because it didn't explicitly talk about any of this but I could tell someone on the writing team has had experience with CBT and wants to convey its basic tenets through an 11-minute children's show, which is a Good Thing they did a Good Job at.

I'm sorry for ruining this thread, let's talk about anime

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
I think this is the first episode I think really needed to be longer. Like, there should have been more fighting or more of Steven and Connie talking things out at the end. As it was, things just kind of... ended. I dunno, maybe it's just me, maybe I just got too hyped for anime fight scenes only to get anime musical interludes, but this episode just didn't do it for me.

Also it's been a long time since Ronaldo blogged or Peridot tweeted and it's making me sad.

Buckets
Apr 10, 2009

...THE CHILD...
I think Garnet might be some kind of Bodhisattva, she's too good for our world.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

TwoPair posted:

I think this is the first episode I think really needed to be longer. Like, there should have been more fighting or more of Steven and Connie talking things out at the end. As it was, things just kind of... ended. I dunno, maybe it's just me, maybe I just got too hyped for anime fight scenes only to get anime musical interludes, but this episode just didn't do it for me.

Also it's been a long time since Ronaldo blogged or Peridot tweeted and it's making me sad.

To be fair, "ending without a star" usually indicates a two-parter, but this was less "half an episode split down the middle" and more "a 20 minute episode that was compressed", so I guess we'll see where they pick up with next week. Despite the comparatively calm ending, I wouldn't expect this to be a "okay, Steven got it out of his system in 30 seconds, we can move on" deal.

e: Also, didn't pick up until watching the song after the episode about "I'm here" being "I'm here in the present", not "I (the person you're fused with) am here (for you)", given how it's presented in the song. Whoops.

Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Aug 26, 2016

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

To be fair, "ending without a star" usually indicates a two-parter, but this was less "half an episode split down the middle" and more "a 20 minute episode that was compressed", so I guess we'll see where they pick up with next week. Despite the comparatively calm ending, I wouldn't expect this to be a "okay, Steven got it out of his system in 30 seconds, we can move on" deal.

Next week is Future Boy Zoltron, which doesn't seem to have an overlapping theme. The episode after that, Gem Harvest may have a lot to say, especially in light of Peridots comments when she reformed, but probably not about this.

If we are going to revisit this theme, it'll be a few episodes away.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

To be fair, "ending without a star" usually indicates a two-parter

I counted and there are a whopping 26 episodes without an iris out (or a The End card, like with Steven and the Stevens and Garnet's Universe), and some of them don't really end on wham notes (Like Joy Ride and Too Far)
(Mirror Gem is among the ones that do have a star, and a few part twos also lack a star)

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

I really like that Stevonnie says "Thanks m'aam" to Pearl just like Connie does.

Man was this episode beautifully drawn/animated

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

The Ayshkerbundy posted:

I counted and there are a whopping 26 episodes without an iris out (or a The End card, like with Steven and the Stevens and Garnet's Universe), and some of them don't really end on wham notes (Like Joy Ride and Too Far)
(Mirror Gem is among the ones that do have a star, and a few part twos also lack a star)

TRAP SPRUNG, NERD

(that's actually kind of surprising, but oh well)

misadventurous
Jun 26, 2013

the wise gem bowed her head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad quartzes. you imbecile. you fucking moron"

Good lord this show is breathtakingly good sometimes. Like, not just in a quality sense but actually socially, morally good. I'm yet another person that has benefited greatly from CBT and mindfulness meditation, and seeing those concepts expressed to young folks in a catchy, beautifully animated song is amazing.

Buckets posted:

I think Garnet might be some kind of Bodhisattva, she's too good for our world.

(Co)incidentally, this was episode #108!

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


EoRaptor posted:

Next week is Future Boy Zoltron, which doesn't seem to have an overlapping theme. The episode after that, Gem Harvest may have a lot to say, especially in light of Peridots comments when she reformed, but probably not about this.

If we are going to revisit this theme, it'll be a few episodes away.

Calling it now: Future Boy Zoltron is going to have something game changing in it.

My guess is that Garnet gives Steven future vision for the day so he can tell people's fortunes, but he looks ahead to far and ends up seeing a completely hosed up future event.

I am seriously so excited for this episode.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

misadventurous posted:

Good lord this show is breathtakingly good sometimes. Like, not just in a quality sense but actually socially, morally good. I'm yet another person that has benefited greatly from CBT and mindfulness meditation, and seeing those concepts expressed to young folks in a catchy, beautifully animated song is amazing.


(Co)incidentally, this was episode #108!

Hopefully they ring a bell when they finish each episode

This was a pretty effective way to teach about mindfulness, meditation and attachment in a short episode

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Holy poo poo this episode was really really good.
This show is constantly surprising me with how much depth and maturity with which it portrays emotions and relationships.


Steven being really sad makes me really sad :smith:

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

If anyone can get a good .gif of Stevonnie sitting lotus position at the end of the song I'll change my avatar so I'm not cribbing on my Lapis friend's internet face.

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice

Philip Rivers posted:

If anyone can get a good .gif of Stevonnie sitting lotus position at the end of the song I'll change my avatar so I'm not cribbing on my Lapis friend's internet face.

Make the other guy change because I'm pretty sure that one has random green pixels and looks bad.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


wait this show is literally hiring trigger animators now? :stare: i remember when i came to this show and thought the anime influence was going to be like a sailor moon figure hidden on a shelf as an easter egg or something

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

icantfindaname posted:

wait this show is literally hiring trigger animators now? :stare: i remember when i came to this show and thought the anime influence was going to be like a sailor moon figure hidden on a shelf as an easter egg or something

Guest animators are a thing at Cartoon Network Studios.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

Shima Honnou posted:

Make the other guy change because I'm pretty sure that one has random green pixels and looks bad.

Yeah but I want a Stevonnie being mindful avatar :kiddo:

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under




EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

icantfindaname posted:

wait this show is literally hiring trigger animators now? :stare: i remember when i came to this show and thought the anime influence was going to be like a sailor moon figure hidden on a shelf as an easter egg or something

They've directly done homages to several different animes, with scenes copied move for move ( the pearl vs holo-pearl training fight is directly from Utena ) or done in the same style ( garnet vs water-garnet is in the JoJo style ).

It's way more than a few background bits, the anime runs deep in SU.

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

one of the series defining "things" is literally an adaptation of (and i'd say improvement on) a thing from dragon ball z

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

EoRaptor posted:

It's way more than a few background bits, the anime runs deep in SU.

Western animation too, as the entire episode dedicated to a Road Runner homage ably illustrates. SU loves animation in all its forms.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Aug 26, 2016

LemonLimeTime
May 30, 2011

I don't have low self-esteem. I have low esteem for everyone else.

Skippy McPants posted:

Western animation too, as the entire episode dedicated to a Road Runner homage ably illustrates. SU loves animation in all its forms.

Don't forget German animation too! One of the major inspirations for the silhouette style in The Answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25SP4ftxklg

Mimir
Nov 26, 2012
Everyone should take the next week out and watch episode title inspiration Future Boy Conan, because it's incredible and I feel like there's a lot to be gleaned about the future direction of SU from it.

There's the caste-system dynamics in Industria, the relationship with Steven and Connie as fairly parallel to the leads (insofar as they're OTP from minute one), the sense of danger but also the fundamental humanity of the villains. It even has townies. It's also Miyazaki showrunning a series, so, y'know, get on it.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Philip Rivers posted:

You can! That's the point of this episode (Mindful Education)! The most basic element of CBT-based forms of therapy is mindfulness - you stay present in the moment, acknowledge thoughts as they come, process them, and let them go. We get stuck on things and build them up in our heads and if you never actually deal with your issues, they'll just fester and take up more and more emotional energy. It's a lot like breathing, you have to let your thoughts in and be able to let them go.

So basically, you gotta put your behind in the past? :v:

Test Pattern
Dec 20, 2007

Keep scrolling, clod!

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

To be fair, "ending without a star" usually indicates a two-parter, but this was less "half an episode split down the middle" and more "a 20 minute episode that was compressed", so I guess we'll see where they pick up with next week. Despite the comparatively calm ending, I wouldn't expect this to be a "okay, Steven got it out of his system in 30 seconds, we can move on" deal.

e: Also, didn't pick up until watching the song after the episode about "I'm here" being "I'm here in the present", not "I (the person you're fused with) am here (for you)", given how it's presented in the song. Whoops.

It's both, and that's great. I've seen (in my opinion) wrongheaded critiques of CBT that accuse it of being too inward-facing (one actually used the word "autarchic"), but, as pointed out above, most CBT practitioners will include "talking to someone you care about/cares about you to get an anchor or check." Ditto with "is this where we fall apart?" meaning both "is this going to break us up?" and "am I going to have a meltdown over this?"

CBT is pretty great.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Test Pattern posted:

It's both, and that's great. I've seen (in my opinion) wrongheaded critiques of CBT that accuse it of being too inward-facing (one actually used the word "autarchic"), but, as pointed out above, most CBT practitioners will include "talking to someone you care about/cares about you to get an anchor or check." Ditto with "is this where we fall apart?" meaning both "is this going to break us up?" and "am I going to have a meltdown over this?"

CBT is pretty great.

I love how maternal the Chorus is. It's like a mother comforting a young child, but it's you doing it for yourself:

Take a moment to ask yourself if this is where we fall apart?

But it's not
But it's not
But it's not
But it's not
But it's not

It's OK
It's OK
It's OK
It's OK
It's OK

You've got nothing
got nothing
got nothing
got nothing
To fear

I'm here. I'm here. I'm here.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Test Pattern posted:

It's both, and that's great. I've seen (in my opinion) wrongheaded critiques of CBT that accuse it of being too inward-facing (one actually used the word "autarchic"), but, as pointed out above, most CBT practitioners will include "talking to someone you care about/cares about you to get an anchor or check." Ditto with "is this where we fall apart?" meaning both "is this going to break us up?" and "am I going to have a meltdown over this?"

CBT is pretty great.

Nah, the trick to getting over your gently caress ups is to ignore them for a few years until you forget about them. Then it's like it never happened!

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Test Pattern posted:

It's both, and that's great. I've seen (in my opinion) wrongheaded critiques of CBT that accuse it of being too inward-facing (one actually used the word "autarchic"), but, as pointed out above, most CBT practitioners will include "talking to someone you care about/cares about you to get an anchor or check." Ditto with "is this where we fall apart?" meaning both "is this going to break us up?" and "am I going to have a meltdown over this?"

CBT is pretty great.

I actually kind of like the "solo" interpretation because even though it's unexpected (again, based on the phrasing I was initially expecting more hugging/hand holding during the song), it was actually a nice changeup from the usual cartoon/anime moral of "with friends you can get through anything", with the implication (and occasional outright statement, with some show's villains) of "if you don't have/think you don't need friends you're hosed". Emphasizing the "this is something you can do by yourself, for yourself" aspect is pretty great.

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SwimmingSpider
Jan 3, 2008


Jön, jön, jön a vizipók.
Várják már a tólakók.
Ez a kis pók ügyes búvár.
Sok új kaland is még rá vár.
Where did the thread get this idea that ending without a star indicates a two-parter? Episodes end without a star when the mood of the episode doesn't call or a star. This can include two-parters, since the mood of cliffhanger is tense and a star-out would hurt that, but it also happens at the end of quiet, contemplative, or emotional episodes. Lion 3, Rose's Scabbard, and Alone Together all end without Stars, and none of the mare two-parters.

Like everything else in Steven Universe, Star-out vs vut-to-black is connected to emotion, not plot.

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