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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Actually that was cool and rad cause you got to see a lot of new guys in action instead of pokemon you had seen and used for 4 gens previously. Would have been a lot better if it wasn't full of clunkers.
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Yeah that really wasn't a good move, preventing people from using any of the old Pokemon in case they didn't like any of the new ones. Especially with incredibly divisive designs such as the Klink, Trubbish, and Vanillite lines.
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Sep 15, 2016 09:36
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ConanThe3rd posted:Would have been a lot better if it wasn't full of clunkers. roughly as many as gen 1
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Sep 15, 2016 09:48
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Dr. Fetus posted:Yeah that really wasn't a good move, preventing people from using any of the old Pokemon in case they didn't like any of the new ones. Especially with incredibly divisive designs such as the Klink, Trubbish, and Vanillite lines. yeah they need such great designs such as: Ball (guess which one i mean)
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alcharagia posted:roughly as many as gen 1 Yeah and once was enough thank you very much.
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Dr. Fetus posted:incredibly divisive designs You're right, they really should have predicted fan reactions in advance, how could they have forgotten to? 
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Sep 15, 2016 10:06
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Black and White's "reboot" idea was neat but it really seemed like some of the new pokemon were just old ones with a new coat of paint.
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Sep 15, 2016 10:08
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gen 5 is a perfect untainted gem
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Dr. Fetus posted:Yeah that really wasn't a good move, preventing people from using any of the old Pokemon in case they didn't like any of the new ones. Especially with incredibly divisive designs such as the Klink, Trubbish, and Vanillite lines. The Klink line is divisive? I thought everyone loved it, even it it's kinda eh in battles. Although I only say that cause I'm not the biggest fan of singature moves that do no damage. Ruggington posted:gen 5 is a perfect untainted gem 
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Sep 15, 2016 10:38
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Ruggington posted:gen 5 is a perfect untainted gem I want to agree but I'm replaying White at the moment and Watchog has way too many irritating status moves for a common Team Grunt Pokemon. Otherwise, though, it's great.
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Sep 15, 2016 10:47
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Dr. Fetus posted:Yeah that really wasn't a good move, preventing people from using any of the old Pokemon in case they didn't like any of the new ones. Especially with incredibly divisive designs such as the Klink, Trubbish, and Vanillite lines. All of those are good
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Sep 15, 2016 10:52
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Don't talk poo poo about the Ice Cream Kid. He's great.
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Sep 15, 2016 10:55
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trubbish/garbodor is like 10 times better than grimer/muk, but i love them both
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I love all pokemon
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Dr. Fetus posted:Yeah that really wasn't a good move, preventing people from using any of the old Pokemon in case they didn't like any of the new ones. Especially with incredibly divisive designs such as the Klink, Trubbish, and Vanillite lines. There were, what, 150ish Pokemon introduced in Gen V? With some of the strongest and best designs ever? If you couldn't find any you liked out of that, the problem is with you, not with the game.
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Gen V has a fuckton of great designs. The real issue is it doesn't mesh with the rest of the series mechanically because it was built in its own little ecosystem. Pokemon evolve way the gently caress too late overall and it makes using them a pain in the rear end in any gen with mixed rep because they have really long awkward weak periods. Also why the gently caress does Hydreigon evolve at 64
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Zore posted:Gen V has a fuckton of great designs. Because BW and the sequels were all about the Endgame. Cause there sure is a lot of stuff to do in those games once you beat the E4.
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Honestly are few evolution thresholds are too much even for BW. Hydreigon as mentioned above, and Litwick doesn't evolve until 41, in or after the last gym.
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AlphaKretin posted:Honestly are few evolution thresholds are too much even for BW. Hydreigon as mentioned above, and Litwick doesn't evolve until 41, in or after the last gym. See also; Elektross who has a Magikarp form for 39 levels. Volcarona which evolves at level 59 (14 levels after Garchomp!). Bisharp at level 48. Etc, etc.
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Sep 15, 2016 12:51
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Zore posted:See also; Elektross who has a Magikarp form for 39 levels. Volcarona which evolves at level 59 (14 levels after Garchomp!). Bisharp at level 48. Etc, etc.
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I picked White SOLELY for Braviary, pretty much, and the drat thing takes fifty-four levels to evolve. Game Freak needs to go in for some hardcore number tweaking at some point, and also make Luvdisc evolve into Alomomola. Because SERIOUSLY.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Volcarona is at least justifiable because you catch it as a Volcarona. Really screws them out of putting Larvesta in later games, but compared to the others it's less egregious. You get a Larvesta Egg tho way earlier. And they even realized they hosed up since they have like super underlevelled Volcarona at 35 in B/W2.
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Zore posted:See also; Elektross who has a Magikarp form for 39 levels. Volcarona which evolves at level 59 (14 levels after Garchomp!). Bisharp at level 48. Etc, etc. The first is tragic because Elektross is an amazing design which is a also good in battle. The second and third make no loving sense since "bug pokemon are pretty weak, but the evolve fast" is something they tell you a lot. ...what, Bisharp is not a bug? Well he looks like one 
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Sep 15, 2016 13:54
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pokemon should have a chance to evolve every level, which increases every level until evolution is guaranteed. also trade evos are gone
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oddium posted:pokemon should have a chance to evolve every level, which increases every level until evolution is guaranteed. also trade evos are gone That's actually a pretty cool idea I adore Gen 5 a ton but just looking through the Gen 5 dex I don't know how it never occurred to me how much of a reboot it really was--there are a ton of one-to-one Poke "remakes" from Gen 1
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Golden Goat posted:Black and White's "reboot" idea was neat but it really seemed like some of the new pokemon were just old ones with a new coat of paint. Every Gen 5 retread of a Gen 1 design idea is easily 100% better. Gigalith and Swoobat are miles ahead of Golem and Golbat.
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Sep 15, 2016 14:18
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Uh excuse me Zubat is not an adorable psychic type with a heart nose. 
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AlphaKretin posted:Uh excuse me Zubat is not an adorable psychic type with a heart nose. Yeah tha's what I'm saying. Swoobat is a better Bat than Zubat.
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There are some big duds in Gen V too. Patrat/Watchog are super inferior Rattata/Raticate. Unfeazent is the only starter bird somehow worse than Pidgeot through either stupid stat or movepool allotment. Also Hitmons>>>>>Sawk/Throh
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Zore posted:There are some big duds in Gen V too. Patrat/Watchog are super inferior Rattata/Raticate. Unfeazent is the only starter bird somehow worse than Pidgeot through either stupid stat or movepool allotment. Counterpoint: The Hitmos suck visually and Sawk and Throh are cool and good. And Raticate is pure wet garbo. Sorry haters.
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Black and White were the strongest entries in the series for me. Loved the new Pokemons, locations and gyms. Headed down that runway to battle was amaaaaazing. Also the Poison Gym concert, rockin'. I also liked the Gen4 extra evolutions which helped out old Pokemon. They should do that again.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Counterpoint: The Hitmos suck visually and Sawk and Throh are cool and good. And Raticate is pure wet garbo. Sorry haters. Hitmons are cool and distinct visually and not Bert and Ernie in a kid's karate outfit.
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Sep 15, 2016 14:31
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Do not diss the muscle muppets, thank you.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Counterpoint: The Hitmos suck visually and Sawk and Throh are cool and good. And Raticate is pure wet garbo. Sorry haters. Uh, have you seen Faticate?
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You can't hold the requisite rat/bird against Gen V specifically, every new game has their own versions of those.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Uh, have you seen Faticate? Sun and Moon haven't released yet so we don't know how well the Alolan forms will fare against their regular counterparts or other Pokémon.
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AlphaKretin posted:You can't hold the requisite rat/bird against Gen V specifically, every new game has their own versions of those. They've been done well though. See; Staraptor, Talonflame, Linoone, Furret, Gumshoos
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Silver Falcon posted:There were, what, 150ish Pokemon introduced in Gen V? With some of the strongest and best designs ever? Agreed. Gen 5 is overall, the strongest gen in the series. It's impossible to make a Pokemon game with 100% great designs, because a lot of it comes down to taste. You might not like Trubbish, but someone else finds it charming. It's okay to not love every single design because they weren't all designed for you. However, if you can't find it in your heart to love: Chandelure Cincinno Whimsicott Lilligant Scolipede Leavanny Golurk Hydreigon Volcarona Reuniclus Braviary Cofagrigus Eelektross Then you're really missing out. Nessa fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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I'm excited to get a Delcatty in S&M. will teach her Bind, Play Rough, Tickle, and end it all with Rest.
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Nessa posted:Agreed. Gen 5 is overall, the strongest gen in the series. This list is good as hell
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