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The bandit who went crazy with the milk was combining his programming (turning on his partner) with the memory of his partner killing Abernathy and pouring milk contemptuously on the body from the night before. The reverie update let the bandit access the so-called subconscious memory. The milk was just milk.  Hosts can shoot at guests but they cannot injure them (Teddy's gun did nothing to the gunslinger). I loved this show - husband thought it was too slow but I'm sure it's going to keep ramping up.
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Waaahmbulance Chaser posted:On the news I just saw a pizza making robot (makes the dough, sauces it, waits for human to top it, puts it in and out of oven into box), and the company said by next year a robot will also completely replace the people needed that put the toppings on. We thought it was just random assortments of pepperoni. Little did we know it was... THE MESSAGE Summer 2019
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Megazver posted:This is already happening. They're now testing the burger-flipping robot which replaces three cooks. The current CEO of Mcdonalds suggests that when they automate restaurants, that they will have higher paid staff and focus much more on service for customers who eat there The argument that a higher minimum wage would lead to automation is laughable, when the robot has its bugs worked out is reliable i would replace a worker making $3 an hour, if it's not reliable and doesn't have bugs worked out it wouldn't replace a $20/hour employee
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There's actually an article with some producer quotes that actually answer a few smaller questions people have had. https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/11-rules-of-westworld-hbos-killer-robot-theme-park-series/ Real guns, special bullets. Guests have to sign an extensive liability waiver. They envision Westworld to have been around so long it's basically Disney.
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Oct 3, 2016 20:35
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I would imagine any guest physically assaulting another guest would carry the exact same penalties as doing it on the street
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Oct 3, 2016 20:36
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Gamesguy posted:Oh wow I'm slow. I just realized the fly swat meant Delores was lying when she told those technicians that she would never hurt another living thing. That could absolutely be the case. edit: misread your post, don't mind me. El Jeffe fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Oct 3, 2016 20:38
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Its D-O-L-O-R-E-S dammit!
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Oct 3, 2016 20:42
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I think it was sort of intentionally ambiguous about whether Dolores was lying or "awakening".
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Oct 3, 2016 20:43
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the great deceiver posted:I think it was sort of intentionally ambiguous about whether Dolores was lying or "awakening". I dont think so. All the other robots failed when the fly touched them after the os upgrade.
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Oct 3, 2016 20:45
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They specifically said that the robots wouldn't hurt a fly.
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Oct 3, 2016 20:48
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DoctorGonzo posted:I dont think so. All the other robots failed when the fly touched them after the os upgrade. Yeah that's why the sheriff guy broke. He noticed the fly due to "waking up" and wanted to smack it but he couldn't due to his programming. ERROR ERROR
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Oct 3, 2016 20:50
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Dolores being the oldest opens up interesting scenarios. What other characters has she played on Westworld?
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The fly thing at the end made me think Delores was lying about the picture: she just kept saying "I don't see anything" because she knows that's the ~safe~ response. It also made me think that the sheriff went into seizure-mode because he wanted to swat the fly on his face, but couldn't because of his programming.
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Oct 3, 2016 20:52
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I like the idea that Dolores is also breaking down but in subtler ways. She's not intentionally lying, but her failsafes are being eroded without tripping any alarms.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:The fly thing at the end made me think Delores was lying about the picture: she just kept saying "I don't see anything" because she knows that's the ~safe~ response. It also made me think that the sheriff went into seizure-mode because he wanted to swat the fly on his face, but couldn't because of his programming. He broke down because he realized his part as an NPC in Westworld and his desire to protect Dolorores plus de OS upgrade hosed up his systems. Sorry, you said the sheriff not dadbot. I think you are correct. DoctorGonzo fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Is Dolores the oldest host or just the oldest one currently in service? Old Bill seems considerably older with his jerky movements and whirring servos, but then the Hemsworth character had that line about Dolores being repaired so many times she's practically new (which raises the Ship of Theseus/Locke's Socks paradox).
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DoctorGonzo posted:I dont think so. All the other robots failed when the fly touched them after the os upgrade. Teddy didn't though, when he was hanging out at the cabin with those 3 or 4 guys. It just kind of wandered on his face for a bit.
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Dazerbeams posted:I like the idea that Dolores is also breaking down but in subtler ways. She's not intentionally lying, but her failsafes are being eroded without tripping any alarms. She probably was around for ~the accident~ which I would like to call now as Hopkins giving the robots too much free will but was reined in by the corporation or the government or w/e after some guests died and those affected robots going into storage but he arranged for Dolores (based on his daughter or having his daughter's soul or smth) to be spared.
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seaborgium posted:Teddy didn't though, when he was hanging out at the cabin with those 3 or 4 guys. It just kind of wandered on his face for a bit. Whas he upgraded? I think the things that trigger the reaction is the OS upgrade.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Dolores being the oldest opens up interesting scenarios. What other characters has she played on Westworld? I think another interesting question is what kind of relationship she had with the Ed Harris character in the past. I mean the first thing he did when he came back to Westworld (like he said himself) was to "visit" Dolores and the first thing he does the next day is again to see her. We know that Ed Harris character has been around Westworld for 30 years and Dolores is the oldest Host so it's natural to assume they interacted many, many times (also obvious in the actions of Ed Harris character). I wouldn't be surpised if we get flashbacks to a younger version of his character when he first met Dolores (maybe even fell in love with her?) or at least get to know about such a (or a similar) relationship.
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hollylolly posted:The bandit who went crazy with the milk was combining his programming (turning on his partner) with the memory of his partner killing Abernathy and pouring milk contemptuously on the body from the night before. The reverie update let the bandit access the so-called subconscious memory. Yes, the milk was just milk, but it's no coincidence that we are repeatedly shown scenes of deactivated robots lying in pools of milky-white liquid in different contexts. It's a motif. Maybe they didn't meant to specifically suggest that the bandit had a memory of being in the repair bath but they certainly wanted us to see a parallel or continuity between the death and rebirth of these robots. I'm guessing that's going to be a greater theme as the show progresses- death and rebirth. I mean, it's possible that it's just a coincidence, but what we've seen so far shows that they're sweating the details on this show so I have to assume it was a choice.
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Gamesguy posted:Oh wow I'm slow. quote:I just realized the fly swat meant Delores was lying when she told those technicians that she would never hurt another living thing.
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LinkesAuge posted:I think another interesting question is what kind of relationship she had with the Ed Harris character in the past. I mean the first thing he did when he came back to Westworld (like he said himself) was to "visit" Dolores and the first thing he does the next day is again to see her. Hopkins' son in law, tormented by grief because one of them let her die but robo-daughter doesn't recognize him is my guess. Thirty years ago was the accident, so maybe he was against the concept of Westworld as a whole, too, before she died.
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404notfound posted:Is Dolores the oldest host or just the oldest one currently in service? Old Bill seems considerably older with his jerky movements and whirring servos, but then the Hemsworth character had that line about Dolores being repaired so many times she's practically new (which raises the Ship of Theseus/Locke's Socks paradox). They said she has been rebuilt / upgraded a bunch of times, which is probably why she doesn't have the jerky movement like Old Bill.
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I just watched the premiere and loved it. It amuses me greatly that Ed Harris's character is called "Black Hat". Not only is he an evil guy in a western, he's also a malicious hacker!
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BTW, this is the Ed Harris I wanted in "Enemy at the gates".
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Uhhh if Hopkins did design a robot to look and act like a loved one, that would be supremely hosed up considering what goes on in the park.
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Pharmaskittle posted:Uhhh if Hopkins did design a robot to look and act like a loved one, that would be supremely hosed up considering what goes on in the park. He is not well on the head. Talking to old robots, his disdain for humanity as a concept, etc.
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I'm curious to see how Hector Escaton plugs into the larger events, given that eschaton means, in religious terms, the end of the world. And here's the meta-level issue: is that choice of name merely authorial intent within the context of Westworld the park being a fully designed piece of entertainment, or the showrunners pointing towards something bigger?
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Innocuous posted:I'm curious to see how Hector Escaton plugs into the larger events, given that eschaton means, in religious terms, the end of the world. And here's the meta-level issue: is that choice of name merely authorial intent within the context of Westworld the park being a fully designed piece of entertainment, or the showrunners pointing towards something bigger? Probably both, but for now we have already had it established that Anthony Hopkins likes to include little tidbits of anachronism.
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Innocuous posted:I'm curious to see how Hector Escaton plugs into the larger events, given that eschaton means, in religious terms, the end of the world. And here's the meta-level issue: is that choice of name merely authorial intent within the context of Westworld the park being a fully designed piece of entertainment, or the showrunners pointing towards something bigger? I feel like his name fits in pretty well with a character leading a large group of bandits that ride into town and shoot lots of people and generally create a whole lot of chaos. The programmers mentioned that they just had to move his bank heist up sooner to accommodate all the hosts they pulled.
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Pharmaskittle posted:Uhhh if Hopkins did design a robot to look and act like a loved one, that would be supremely hosed up considering what goes on in the park. His daughter was a true believer and either asked for or implied that she wanted that fate. Black Hat is probably trying to rescue her against those wishes.
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The other thing about the milk just being milk (in the show reality) is that I'm going to assume all the food and drink in Westworld is real even if it is meant only for scenario-based things like "the bad guys drink the milk" because there is always a chance that the guests will go ahead and consume some of it.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:The other thing about the milk just being milk (in the show reality) is that I'm going to assume all the food and drink in Westworld is real even if it is meant only for scenario-based things like "the bad guys drink the milk" because there is always a chance that the guests will go ahead and consume some of it. I mean in a world where creepier disney world can afford to 3d print people to be fuckmurdertoys, they can probably spring for a bit of spilled milk hell for all we know the fake cows actually make the milk, we don't know how advanced their technology is
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What I found interesting was the actual picture and what did that imply does anyone have a screenshot? Also, I like that they just casually mention all the different storylines that were like "cannibals, murder mysteries " etc..
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Pretty sure Dolores straight up lies at the end there. The fly swat is definitely the 100% indicator that she's different, since it was said many times that the hosts can't even hurt a fly. This is how I recall the scene going (I sometimes gently caress this poo poo up though so feel free to correct me) Security: What did your father say to you? Dolores' father whispering to her Dolores: He said some obscure quote I dunno, dad be weird. Security: Did he say anything else? Father continues to whisper in her ear Dolores: No. Security: Would you ever lie? Dolores' face Dolores: No. They intentionally cut to the father whispering after being asked if he kept talking, that is either terrible editing at odds with most the show really, or she lied, and then she lied when asked about lying. It's subtler, and then she goes on to murder an innocent bystander fly to drive the point home that she's breaking out of character, but the more important part is she knows to hide it. That may have to do with the second part of what her father said. He broke just hard enough to pass something off to her that gave her a chance to not be detected. I really hope crazed broken robodad comes back to protect his daughter  Edit: Just occurred to me that Programmer man who said he had no kids, but then later holds a photo of a child, probably means his child had died, and he will maybe try and "bring him back" in a host. Which makes the thing Hopkins tell him about bringing people back pretty hosed up. Who would say that to a father of a deceased child in the same conversation as "boy people sure suck." VVV Don't crush my dreams, in robo future anything is possible! JossiRossi fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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JossiRossi posted:I really hope crazed broken robodad comes back to protect his daughter He lobotomized. Robotomized? Either way, he done. He done.
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VendaGoat posted:He lobotomized. He could be Robo-Chekhov's Gun.
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Oh poo poo, I know why that threw me, I read "Don't tell anyone" as Dolores to the security guy, not what her father said. I'm an idiot. Least I knew it wasn't a VR simulation...
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