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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Luke Cage just has unbreakable skin. That's it. It cannot be broken. It's the most basic, most iconic power he has. Luke Cage is super strong. He's also probably immortal. He's got a lot more than just unbreakable skin.
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Oct 6, 2016 04:56
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Aphrodite posted:TV Luke Cage is clearly more indestructible than comic Luke Cage. His soft tissue is included too. Eh, comic Luke Cage could almost certainly shrug off a shotgun blast to the face. I mean, yeah, in some ways he's clearly tougher than in the comic, but I'd still argue that JJ established Luke as a character with realistic limits. AndyElusive posted:Luke Cage is super strong. He's also probably immortal. He's got a lot more than just unbreakable skin. Yeah, I know, I'm saying it's his most basic and iconic power, like the power most obviously associated with his character, not his only one.
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Oct 6, 2016 04:57
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Yeah, I know, I'm saying it's his most basic and iconic power, like the power most obviously associated with his character, not his only one. Be sure not to conflate the two versions of these characters. TV is different than comic media. In the TV version he somehow shields a lady from the blast of an rpg. And maybe when Reva shot him in the neck, his powers hadn't fully matured. Who knows. Right now, The Dude was invincible to modern street weaponry and the writers felt a need to tie his vulnerability into what's been a huge topic in the real world - the police shootings of potentially harmless/unarmed (black) people. I think the Magic Bullets are a necessary part of the story, given how they wanted to tie it into the relevant discussion. It's a different device than Superman's kryptonite even though it creates the same ultimate personal consequence. Luke's iconic "power" is that he doesn't have to live in fear of authoritative racism, or be pushed around by the System if he doesn't want to. In the TV universe, at least. That, and you know the dude pulls mad tail. Drifter fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 05:05
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Regy Rusty posted:What? It definitely did, he has a bullet hole and is bleeding Well like people said, they pulled shrapnel out of the one by his stomach and that was it so I just thought the other one didn't pierce him at all. ImpAtom posted:My issue with Cage isn't that he isn't a martial artist but that Coulter honestly just looks like he's flailing. It actually kinda-works when he's Luke Cage because you can go "well, untrained dude with super strength" but in the flashbacks it is just awful especially when he's supposed to be uncommonly good at brawling. I'm not looking for DareDevil or AOS but I did think the combat was pretty weak most of the time. Could've used more Three Stooges slapstick maybe.
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Oct 6, 2016 05:13
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Martial arts stuff also would've been out of place for this show, too. Luke Cage isn't a fighter, he's a near-unstoppable walking tank who can kill someone with a slight shove if he wanted to. Having him be even an amateur boxer is enough. He doesn't need to be a black belt, too. That's kinda Iron Fist's and Daredevil's thing, whereas JJ and Cage can just charge at dudes and overpower them. Some of the main themes of this show, besides Harlem and black history, are guns, gangs with guns, and guns not being useful on Luke. I'm sure that in the Defenders, we'll have plenty of ninjas kicking and chopping at Cage.
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Oct 6, 2016 05:16
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ApeHawk posted:Martial arts stuff also would've been out of place for this show, too. Luke Cage isn't a fighter, he's a near-unstoppable walking tank who can kill someone with a slight shove if he wanted to. Having him be even an amateur boxer is enough. He doesn't need to be a black belt, too. That's kinda Iron Fist's and Daredevil's thing, whereas JJ and Cage can just charge at dudes and overpower them. I would agree with that, if they hadn't spent an episode on how he was the best fighter in prison fight club
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Oct 6, 2016 05:36
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This Method Man poo poo is by far, no hyperbole, the most cringeworthy thing I've ever seen in a show.
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Oct 6, 2016 05:50
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Love Crime posted:This Method Man poo poo is by far, no hyperbole, the most cringeworthy thing I've ever seen in a show. Then you must've not seen the last episode of Daredevil Season 2 at the very end when they read aloud Karen's "article" for the newspaper.
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Oct 6, 2016 05:58
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Drifter posted:Then you must've not seen the last episode of Daredevil Season 2 at the very end when they read aloud Karen's "article" for the newspaper. Watched it and don't even remember it, but I'll always remember the subtlety and delicacy of Method Man connecting Trayvon Martin to Luke Cage.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:05
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ImpAtom posted:My issue with Cage isn't that he isn't a martial artist but that Coulter honestly just looks like he's flailing. It actually kinda-works when he's Luke Cage because you can go "well, untrained dude with super strength" but in the flashbacks it is just awful especially when he's supposed to be uncommonly good at brawling. Actually I think it would have been better fight-wise if we didn't have a quick cut every punch. Hard for me to tell how good he is, with that kind of shooting.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:19
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Love Crime posted:Watched it and don't even remember it, but I'll always remember the subtlety and delicacy of Method Man connecting Trayvon Martin to Luke Cage. I don't know. I thought that rap within the context of the show was okay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj45EHnrQU4  I mean, Trayvon was one of the larger media spotlights of this type of inequality and racial injustice. Zimmerman wasn't a cop, but that whole hoodie thing was a theme throughout the show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p0BhaTSxSg
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Oct 6, 2016 06:24
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After Daredevil ran out of steam toward the end, I was glad that Luke Cage delivered the goods right until the end. I also appreciated that it went full comic book crazy with Diamondback. What the hell is this Jean Paul Gaultier poo poo!?!
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Oct 6, 2016 08:29
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Tokelau All Star posted:After Daredevil ran out of steam toward the end, I was glad that Luke Cage delivered the goods right until the end. I also appreciated that it went full comic book crazy with Diamondback. What the hell is this Jean Paul Gaultier poo poo!?! Pimp stormtrooper, that's what  Series was good and ended on a really unexpected note, which was neat---especially since I really really really want someone to kick the crap out of Black Mariah now. Maybe once Iron Fist is established Danny and Luke can take turns giving Shades swirlies until she sobs for them to stop, idk Also not happy about Claire/Luke because Jessica/Luke is how it's supposed to happen and everyone knows this.  On the other hand, once Claire learns martial arts, can we put her in the Defenders, too? 
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Oct 6, 2016 09:11
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Drifter posted:specifically for Luke Cage, who's AT BEST a one-time trained amateur boxer but mostly brawler Didn't the flashback imply he'd been trained by the Marines and that that was why he was so good at brawling in the underground ring?
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Oct 6, 2016 10:48
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Love Crime posted:Watched it and don't even remember it, but I'll always remember the subtlety and delicacy of Method Man connecting Trayvon Martin to Luke Cage. Subtlety is overrated.
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Oct 6, 2016 12:40
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Oh, one more question I forgot to ask. Was there something I was supposed to get out of Diamonback showing off his Bible? I mean, I thought the guy was crazy the second he showed up but apparently everything has a subtlety to it beyond what's happening on screen that I never notice.
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Oct 6, 2016 13:02
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RareAcumen posted:Oh, one more question I forgot to ask. I think it was more that since he was the bastard of a respected preacher, he felt that he had a deeper understanding of the Bible. Maybe even so far as to feel he was a touched by Providence and had a destiny that had been laid out in Genesis. What little we see of his annotated Bible bore resemblance to a schizophrenic's "there's a pattern no one but me sees!" I think it was more to underscore his obsession with being a better preacher's son than the legitimate one. Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 13:24
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RareAcumen posted:I'm not looking for DareDevil or AOS but I did think the combat was pretty weak most of the time. Could've used more Three Stooges slapstick maybe. ApeHawk posted:Martial arts stuff also would've been out of place for this show, too. Luke Cage isn't a fighter, he's a near-unstoppable walking tank who can kill someone with a slight shove if he wanted to. Having him be even an amateur boxer is enough. He doesn't need to be a black belt, too. That's kinda Iron Fist's and Daredevil's thing, whereas JJ and Cage can just charge at dudes and overpower them. Guy Goodbody posted:I would agree with that, if they hadn't spent an episode on how he was the best fighter in prison fight club tsob posted:Didn't the flashback imply he'd been trained by the Marines and that that was why he was so good at brawling in the underground ring? One thing to remember: As you saw, sevreal times, Luke was able to KO someone with just a smack to the head. With his powers, he now has to be very careful when hitting people. He's had no training on how to fight effectivly with super strength, so he just awkwardly makes it up as he goes along. Chokes McGee posted:Also not happy about Claire/Luke because Jessica/Luke is how it's supposed to happen and everyone knows this. Luke & Claire dating is actually canon. He wasn't a marine, or a cop (except in the alternate world of Earth X), Stryker was his best friend but not his half-brother, and Reva wasn't a shrink at Seagate, but just Stryker's girlfriend. Luke went straight, Stryker rose through the ranks of crime, but they stayed friends. Srtyker pissed off the Maggia, so they beat the hell out of him, though Luke saves him. Reva leaves him because of the voilence of his work, and hooks up with Luke, so Stryker frames Luke by planting heroin in his apartment. Chokes McGee posted:On the other hand, once Claire learns martial arts, can we put her in the Defenders, too? I'm down with that. As I said, she's the best character in the entire Netflix Marvel stuff.
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Oct 6, 2016 13:46
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tsob posted:Didn't the flashback imply he'd been trained by the Marines and that that was why he was so good at brawling in the underground ring?  yeah, I was exaggerating to make my point. That's on me. But wither way, if you're super strong and trying to keep your kill count low, you're probably going to be a little hesitant when it comes to the types of judo chops and jabs that the military teaches. I'm not excusing the weak action scenes, though, just trying to see where they were coming from.
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Oct 6, 2016 15:09
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Kheldarn posted:One thing to remember: As you saw, sevreal times, Luke was able to KO someone with just a smack to the head. With his powers, he now has to be very careful when hitting people. He's had no training on how to fight effectivly with super strength, so he just awkwardly makes it up as he goes along. I know that but it still wasn't exactly gripping to watch. You've got a show all about someone's super strength but I still feel like AOS' first season had more interesting [TO WATCH] super strength fights.
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Oct 6, 2016 15:34
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RareAcumen posted:I know that but it still wasn't exactly gripping to watch. You've got a show all about someone's super strength but I still feel like AOS' first season had more interesting [TO WATCH] super strength fights. Well that's not really a fair comparison, the first season of AoS was pretty much perfect tv.
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Oct 6, 2016 17:16
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I just realized that no one ever once thought to shoot Luke in the head. Which is too bad because it would be entertaining to see his reaction to taking a stray bullet to the eye. See also: His wang
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Oct 6, 2016 17:41
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Marvel released some details about casting for Punisher. They also said it's coming out next year.
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Oct 6, 2016 20:19
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readingatwork posted:I just realized that no one ever once thought to shoot Luke in the head. Which is too bad because it would be entertaining to see his reaction to taking a stray bullet to the eye.  as shown by CLaire going through his eyes with the needle in JJ, and the doctor going through the back of his throat to get a blood sample.They didn't shoot his dick because as much as they were trying to kill the man, they knew...they didn't want to wake the beast.
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Oct 6, 2016 20:43
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howe_sam posted:Marvel released some details about casting for Punisher. They also said it's coming out next year. For those who don't want to click the link: quote:Ben Barnes (“The Chronicles of Narnia“) joins the cast as Billy Russo, Frank’s Castle’s best friend from his days in the Special Forces. He runs a successful private military corporation called “Anvil.”’
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Oct 6, 2016 20:45
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tsob posted:Didn't the flashback imply he'd been trained by the Marines and that that was why he was so good at brawling in the underground ring? He says to Claire at one point that he was Force Recon, so MCU Luke was a U.S. Marine. I don't think people give the choreography enough credit in "Luke Cage." Every fight Luke's in against a baseline human is about Luke exerting the precise amount of force needed to get that human out of his way. Luke is actually exhibiting an amazing amount of control by not leaving Harlem ankle-deep in severed heads.
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Oct 6, 2016 21:03
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Finally finished Luke Cage. (spoilers all) It's painfully obvious that the showrunners were more interested in making a crime procedural with Luke Cage sewn into it than a Luke Cage series. Every time the series focused solely on Luke's poo poo it was trite, cliche, predictable, and far too enamored with the idea of making Luke an impossibly goody-goody. Mike Colter salvages most of it by being a scary perfect fit for the role, but by the end he's more of a paragon than the MCU's Captain America. Misty Knight, Mariah, Shades, and Cottonmouth were all engaging enough to keep me invested, but then the back half of the season happens. poo poo drags and drags hard. Everything about Diamondback feels inserted from an entirely different show. The stuff with Reva and Seagate feels almost vestigial. Plus if you decide to take a shot every time someone yells "LUKE CAGE" whenever Luke isn't there, you'll be piss-drunk in half an episode. And then you get to the final few episodes where the show decides to make all the barely-hidden subtext of a bulletproof black man and the concept of neighborhood and legacy so explicit you start to wonder if all the yellow framing the show is meant to symbolize literal corn. That all having been said, it does manage to reflect a 70s spirit of Blaxploitation and Luke Cage comics without feeling like a throwback. It doesn't really matter but it was refreshing to see a majority minority cast doing superhero poo poo that isn't a comedy. The soundtrack and visual styles are largely arresting. The special effects are really enjoyable. Again most of the leads were really enjoyable. The bit with Luke's 70s costume was unnecessary but good. I didn't mind Claire/Luke from a character perspective, although it felt half-baked. I'd give it a generous B
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Oct 6, 2016 23:20
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Wanderer posted:I don't think people give the choreography enough credit in "Luke Cage." Every fight Luke's in against a baseline human is about Luke exerting the precise amount of force needed to get that human out of his way. Luke is actually exhibiting an amazing amount of control by not leaving Harlem ankle-deep in severed heads. Ya, with the way the world has reacted to the destruction left from the Incident, the collapse of SHIELD, Sokovia and whatever the Hulk does is it any wonder why Luke Cage didn't turn Harlem into a smoldering heap? With that said, someone pointed out how it's kind of odd that he doesn't have any moments in his climactic brawl where he attempts to dismantle Diamondback's Pimp Stormtrooper suit when he at least gets the chance.
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Oct 6, 2016 23:21
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AndyElusive posted:Ya, with the way the world has reacted to the destruction left from the Incident, the collapse of SHIELD, Sokovia and whatever the Hulk does is it any wonder why Luke Cage didn't turn Harlem into a smoldering heap? I had that same thought about the final battle, but I think thematically Luke was consciously choosing not to - that he was seeing the backpack weak point and intentionally refraining from hitting it. He wanted to beat the man, not the suit.
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Oct 7, 2016 00:29
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Lexi Alexander, director of the guilty pleasure classic Punisher War Zone among other things was vouching for the Luke Cage fight choreography on Twitter. Pointed out that heavyweights hit harder, move slower, don't do all the flashy stuff. Called out people for liking flashy stuff because they've never been in a real fight and don't realise what actually works in the real world. And she has been in a street fight, she's loving badass in real life, marine instructor, could kick the rear end of any three of us in this thread at once. She says it's good, I ain't going to argue, it's her point of expertise in both real life and as an action director. I just think it was entirely appropriate for Cage's character, for his body type and powers, and visually distinctive from what we get in the other Marvel shows. I've got Daredevil for the spinning kick flips and poo poo, Jessica Jones for... well, her highly impromptu flailing, and Luke Cage who is the tank of the party. We'll be back to flashy poo poo in Iron Fist so I was cool with a bit of car door weilding as a change of pace. My one real criticism of Luke Cage is that I wish they made it clear that getting hit can't damage him, but that it still hurts, that he still feels it. That would sell the whole thing just that bit better. Okay, shooting him won't kill him, his skin is unbreakable, but it's lots of little points of pain and blunt force trauma that he has to endure and overcome. Even the endless army of mooks firing pistols at him then makes sense, if you can't kill him you can at least hope to overpower him with pain, slow him down, overwhelm his senses. It would also make Luke more heroic, despite being objectively weaker, as then he's no longer just standing there inspecting his nails and yawning while bullets bounce off him, he's having to fight through the pain. And considering he's always restraining himself to not lose his temper, to not just get angry and punch off someone's head in rage, holding back his emotions during that onslaught of pain would also be a testament to his strength of character.
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Oct 7, 2016 00:30
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The point was that it didn't look good, with all the quick cuts and limp wristed punches. Also Punisher War Zone was bad.
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Oct 7, 2016 01:23
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The point was that it didn't look good, with all the quick cuts and limp wristed punches. Also Punisher War Zone was bad.  Lexi Alexander is cool af though. No one can dispute that.
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Oct 7, 2016 01:33
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Someone drew a comic about Luke getting mad about his clothes getting shot up. Possibly  http://i.imgur.com/qNXStff.jpg
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Oct 7, 2016 01:35
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The point was that it didn't look good, with all the quick cuts and limp wristed punches. Also Punisher War Zone was bad. tv show budgets make it close to impossible to do better with hand to hand fight scenes. there's just a ton of effort that goes into making a punch look real and playing up the impact without actually harming any of the actors involved. so i'm willing to give the show a pass for being slightly awkward in many of its fight scenes, particularly because i think the choreographers found a lot of other ways to make hits look impactful, like how nearly every punch luke throws when he's inside a building goes straight through a wall.
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Oct 7, 2016 01:51
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Cythereal posted:I had that same thought about the final battle, but I think thematically Luke was consciously choosing not to - that he was seeing the backpack weak point and intentionally refraining from hitting it. He wanted to beat the man, not the suit. It seemed to me that Diamondback's suit made him into a cut-rate Sebastian Shaw, the suit absorbed kinetic energy to power Diamondback's strength. Luke couldn't beat him unless he drained the suit through non-violent resistance before going for the KO.
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Oct 7, 2016 02:00
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The dumb mooks would just fly upwards or backwards after Luke would struggle to lift a guy. The choreography was pretty bad at times.
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Oct 7, 2016 02:29
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My least favorite part has to be the abrupt switch from "...for a bullet?" to "all the cops are carrying them because DIamondback or something." It wouldn't be a big deal if Mariah hadn't brought up the fact that Luke might be able to be drowned, burnt, poisoned, etc. I liked the show but hot drat was there some slipshod stuff in there.
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mind the walrus posted:My least favorite part has to be the abrupt switch from "...for a bullet?" to "all the cops are carrying them because DIamondback or something." It wouldn't be a big deal if Mariah hadn't brought up the fact that Luke might be able to be drowned, burnt, poisoned, etc. I liked the show but hot drat was there some slipshod stuff in there. Police can't do any of those things.
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My point was that the show inverted hard on its own premise so that when Luke Cage was dealing with the police there was reason to take it "seriously," instead of any of the antagonists actually trying to drown, poison, or burn Luke.
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