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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I am desperately looking forward to playing this when I get back from the office in about 24 hours' time. All signs point to greatness?

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Thief
Jan 28, 2011

:420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420:

WindyMan posted:

Of course it can work, it just needs to be applied correctly. Most of the games that have been released episodically to this point have been story-driven, like the Telltale games and SE's own Life is Strange. At release, there was cautious optimism that an episodic model could work for Hitman because of the type of game that it is. One location has more than enough to do to tide one over until the next is released, which is the key to the whole thing. We have multiple ways and reasons to want to continue playing the game despite it not being "finished," if even for a few hours every week.

The true test of the episodic model will be when the FF7 remake drops. Is each new release going to have enough to satisfy people until the next one, or will the delays between releases be tantamount to a long and boring loading screen? Even with how good Hitman has been, I don't see myself desperate enough to play FF7 (again) to buy it a chapter at a time. But perhaps just having the option to buy in early episodically or wait for the full release in and of itself is what will ultimately make the episodic model a success.

just wait till you experience Midgar in 1080p bro

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



WindyMan posted:

Of course it can work, it just needs to be applied correctly. Most of the games that have been released episodically to this point have been story-driven, like the Telltale games and SE's own Life is Strange. At release, there was cautious optimism that an episodic model could work for Hitman because of the type of game that it is. One location has more than enough to do to tide one over until the next is released, which is the key to the whole thing. We have multiple ways and reasons to want to continue playing the game despite it not being "finished," if even for a few hours every week.

The true test of the episodic model will be when the FF7 remake drops. Is each new release going to have enough to satisfy people until the next one, or will the delays between releases be tantamount to a long and boring loading screen? Even with how good Hitman has been, I don't see myself desperate enough to play FF7 (again) to buy it a chapter at a time. But perhaps just having the option to buy in early episodically or wait for the full release in and of itself is what will ultimately make the episodic model a success.

Yeah, Hitman works because

a) It isn't story driven
b) while the game in general it isn't story driven, each missions is it own standalone little story by itself
c) gameplay wise, it's sandboxy. And it has been expanded adequately in this game to support even more that style of games (more systemic stuff, challenges, ETs, escalation, contracts) so now it's even more replayable.


FF7 remake? Well, it's supposed to be more a trilogy of games, more than an game using the 'episodic model', if I'm not mistaken.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
I would be honestly surprised if Square doesn't completely gently caress up FF7. They're probably only making it episodic to save money and not for some narrative reason like a Telltale game or a game design reason like this game.

Discendo Vox posted:

I am desperately looking forward to playing this when I get back from the office in about 24 hours' time. All signs point to greatness?
It's real good. I just SA'ed my first time through. I'm not a big fan of Colorado but Hokkaido is pretty much Hitman at its best.

Overall though this was definitely the best in the series and an overall great game. Some parts like the escalations could really suck, but the main game itself was fantastic and still good even at its worst. I put like 110 hours into this game I still need to master Colorado and I've only started this level. Definitely one of my GotYs.

Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 31, 2016

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

Thief posted:

just wait till you experience Midgar in 1080p bro

Bitch, please. Been there, done that.

Phoix
Jul 20, 2006




This is a good episode. The cooler in the morgue is worth opening.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Since I can't play for a while, can someone fillin one side-plot element? Is the Dexter I saw in the halls with the cowboy hat related to the antagonist from Absolution?

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Discendo Vox posted:

I am desperately looking forward to playing this when I get back from the office in about 24 hours' time. All signs point to greatness?

It's a great loving map even with the extra restrictions.

e: It's good enough that it makes me want to gently caress around enough in Colorado to get the descrambler.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Arist posted:

It's a great loving map even with the extra restrictions.
Actually I like the extra restrictions because it prevents the level from being cheesy like Colorado, where you have to game it so people don't see you do things.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Accordion Man posted:

Actually I like the extra restrictions because it prevents the level from being cheesy like Colorado, where you have to game it so people don't see you do things.

I do too actually, they help with the "finale" feel and also really make you think differently.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Perhaps my favorite thing (I mean, after what happens if you tamper a toilet), it's the fact this luxury place for the elite is so rich and exclusive that it seems they have some company hired at the foot of the mountain to build and fly those Japanese paper lamps constantly, just to give a decorative touch in the sky when they reach the adequate height.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
I still need to mess with a toilet because I just climbed my way into the cowboy patient's room, stole his outfit when he came in, and called in the doctor and took his.

Rev. Melchisedech Howler
Sep 5, 2006

You know. Leather.
So I've just started playing this after taking a break after completing Marrakech - was wondering though, has anyone had any luck getting aiming not to suck with the steam controller? I can get it working great on other 3rd person action games, but for some reason this particular game has me flailing wildly about when pulling out a gun.

It's no biggie as I'm pretty happy on mouse and keyboard, would just like to be able to play it on the couch now and then.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Escalation isn't for casuals.

This is the third level of the escalation:

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Restrained Crown Posse posted:

So I've just started playing this after taking a break after completing Marrakech - was wondering though, has anyone had any luck getting aiming not to suck with the steam controller? I can get it working great on other 3rd person action games, but for some reason this particular game has me flailing wildly about when pulling out a gun.

It's no biggie as I'm pretty happy on mouse and keyboard, would just like to be able to play it on the couch now and then.
Kind of spit-balling here, but if there's a sensitivity option maybe lessen that?

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
Anyone figure out how to reveal yourself to Soders? I systematically butchered everyone around the operating theatre thinking I could just walk up to him and get a prompt, but no dice.

Holy poo poo, the plastic surgery guy talks about how he looks like Darkman Hahaha. How loving old is he?

Diesel Fucker fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 31, 2016

Veotax
May 16, 2006


Ha, I managed to stumble into a five star Silent Assassin ranking on my first try. Killing Soders by destroying his replacement heart without ever even seeing him was a really cool kill.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Veotax posted:

Ha, I managed to stumble into a five star Silent Assassin ranking on my first try. Killing Soders by destroying his replacement heart without ever even seeing him was a really cool kill.
Yeah, I did that in my first playthrough. Now that I'm in my second and killing Yuki as the yoga instructor is pretty great too.

Also the incidental dialogue is still quality like the hospital AI hitting on the head surgeon.

Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Oct 31, 2016

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

With the whole season out more or less I really have to salute them for a job well done.

I had rock bottom expectations for this game from the start even compared to the rest of the western square enix crop (tomb raider, just cause, deus ex) due to the release scheme and Absolution. I actually held off until Bangkok came out and might have skipped it outright had I missed word of mouth about how good it was. But they pretty much crushed it, proved all fears unfounded, and blew their rivals out of the water. With the nostalgia goggles off, by any metric besides telling a complete story Season 1 is probably the best game in the series. Now to hope it's doing well enough to justify similarly high quality seasons to come.

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

No Mods No Masters posted:

With the nostalgia goggles off, by any metric besides telling a complete story Season 1 is probably the best game in the series.

Except there's no briefcase, so this is the WORST GAME EVER

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.

WindyMan posted:

Except there's no briefcase, so this is the WORST GAME EVER

Is the WA2000 just the rifle? No suitcase? Whaaaat?

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Lasher posted:

Is the WA2000 just the rifle? No suitcase? Whaaaat?
All the rifles have no cases.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
Yeah, I just thought maybe as the final unlock on the final mission they might have included it as the ultimate grand prize kinda thing.

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
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Lasher posted:

Yeah, I just thought maybe as the final unlock on the final mission they might have included it as the ultimate grand prize kinda thing.

Yeah I really don't get that. They bring back the wa-2000 but no suitcase? Whaaaaat?

I wonder if their decision to not include it had something to do with making saso sniper challenge too easy. There really is no other excuse to not include it.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Veotax posted:

Ha, I managed to stumble into a five star Silent Assassin ranking on my first try. Killing Soders by destroying his replacement heart without ever even seeing him was a really cool kill.

The way he throws it to the garbage bin, with the revolving door spinning makes it great.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
I think if you stash a bomb in there and blow it up is a challenge too. Make drat sure that heart is hosed!

Also you can shoot it, like the virus in Sapienza.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
There are so many fun ways to do this level, wow. Lots of variety. Possibly the best level of the entire lot?

Does anyone have an easy way to get a chef outfit though? My current approach of 'do some weird stealth poo poo in the kitchen until I can subdue both chefs at the same time' works, I guess, but it doesn't feel like the most elegant approach.

eSportseXpert
Jun 24, 2005

Stupid fucking white man.
I really appreciate the the restrictiveness of the level, combined with the relative scarcity of throwable items and body-boxes (or the difficulty of reaching them anyway).

Had a very exciting and surprisingly stealthy first run: Managed to get into the little anteroom by the surgery control booth as a surgeon, hammered the two assistants and dragged them round the side while the chief surgeon was working, then got him on his way out. Proceeded to hide everybody in the control booth and fumble with the controls until the target died. Then I ran around as the chief surgeon until I found the spa area and followed the yoga opportunity to finish off the other one. Almost had never spotted but I ended up accidentally being seen trespassing as the yoga-man in an area the surgeon had been allowed in.

I also like how things like pickup locations are a much bigger reward as an unlock due to you not having any loadout at all.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



I finished the mission three times

1. yoga / sauna & throwing heart
2. sniping the yakuza lawyer & electrocuting Soders
3. fugu poison & poisoning stem cells / deactivating the AI

I think tomorrow I will do it in SASO, as I believe it won't be especially difficult: just the 'smoking near oil barrel' opportunity, which is easy to do and don't require disguises, and poisoning the stem cells, which can be done pretty much from the morgue area without entering the hospital itself.

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
sentenced
to
burn

John Charity Spring posted:

There are so many fun ways to do this level, wow. Lots of variety. Possibly the best level of the entire lot?

Does anyone have an easy way to get a chef outfit though? My current approach of 'do some weird stealth poo poo in the kitchen until I can subdue both chefs at the same time' works, I guess, but it doesn't feel like the most elegant approach.

Still downloading the new level so not sure about particular disguise you are talking about, but if there are two people in a room and you need to subdue both I've found the easiest way is to wait until one looks away and prick the other with emetic poison which gives you a few seconds of them getting queasy where they will not detect anything as suspicious (even murder) while you subdue the other one right in front of them.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


God, I love poisoning the stem cells with the fugu. It's so dumb.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Arist posted:

God, I love poisoning the stem cells with the fugu. It's so dumb.

You also can use the single emetic poison there is in the level (in a corner of the kitchen).

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
If you have the electronic scambler use it on the freezer in the morgue for a pretty sweet easter egg and a SASO easy mode item.

Antifa Spacemarine
Jan 11, 2011

Tzeentch can suck it.
Just lmao at the ninja start

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Discendo Vox posted:

I am desperately looking forward to playing this when I get back from the office in about 24 hours' time. All signs point to greatness?

The signs are accurate. I particularly like the way you have to escalate your privileges as you move through the level because the usual tricks for getting anywhere don't work (well, other than being a really sneaky bastard). I was rather disappointed by Colorado's attempt at being hazardous and restricted, when it ended up being trivial to gain access to the entire map even from a suit start. Here, it's still not hard to get access, but you have to actually juggle the costumes a lot more unless you want to constantly be trespassing or have umpteen different people that can see through your disguise.

Phoix posted:

This is a good episode. The cooler in the morgue is worth opening.

Confirming this. It seems they've really thought about what they can do with the equipment limitation, and how they can still offer all kinds of fun ways to circumvent it with what's in the level. Aside from some of the weapons you obviously need for a couple of the challenges, I struggle to think of anything that I actually need to bring in to the story mission.

Arist posted:

It's a great loving map even with the extra restrictions.

e: It's good enough that it makes me want to gently caress around enough in Colorado to get the descrambler.

No need. One is provided for you if sneak a bit. :D

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 7, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

SA'd it my first run. Defib and fugu. Clean and simple. This ended up being by far the easiest one.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Lasher posted:

If you have the electronic scambler use it on the freezer in the morgue for a pretty sweet easter egg and a SASO easy mode item.

I don't have it, what happens?

e: Japan is a really cool level. It's a lot easier than Colorado but also a lot more fun. The lawyer's bugged though; she hasn't moved in ages.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Nov 1, 2016

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


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Offensive Clock
Anyone found the way to force the doctor to kill his patient? Or any of the [redacted] challenges in general?

Phoix
Jul 20, 2006




RBA Starblade posted:

I don't have it, what happens?

e: Japan is a really cool level. It's a lot easier than Colorado but also a lot more fun. The lawyer's bugged though; she hasn't moved in ages.

You can also open it with the keycard in the directors office, but if you just want to know Agent Smith is inside and he gives you a master key to open every door in the facility.

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Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
sentenced
to
burn

ymgve posted:

Anyone found the way to force the doctor to kill his patient? Or any of the [redacted] challenges in general?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA3n0-jZqUU

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