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frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Yeah it's gotta be an obstacle you can vault for the person not to die

Iirc the prompt is different. It'll say dump instead of eliminate if it's non lethal

frank.club fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Nov 7, 2016

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Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

I just threw a duck at them from the balcony and then walked calmly away through the room next door.
I absolutely love how it take a second for NPCs to notice you so you can just walk your as out of any situation as long as you're good at breaking LoS repeatedly.

HITMANtm: Ducksolution

Random Asshole
Nov 8, 2010

The one thing I want from Hitman Season 2 is less mandatory secondary objectives. Having to destroy the virus every time while getting to Mastery lvl. 20 made Sapienza my least favorite map, even less then loving Marrakesh, and while the storm bunker from Colorado isn't as obnoxious it still fucks up the flow.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Random rear end in a top hat posted:

The one thing I want from Hitman Season 2 is less mandatory secondary objectives. Having to destroy the virus every time while getting to Mastery lvl. 20 made Sapienza my least favorite map, even less then loving Marrakesh, and while the storm bunker from Colorado isn't as obnoxious it still fucks up the flow.

If you start Sapienza inside the morgue and bring Breaching Charges with you then destroying the virus take no time nor effort really.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Or use escalations (or contracts possibly?) to get up those points.

Ever Disappointing
May 4, 2004

Random rear end in a top hat posted:

The one thing I want from Hitman Season 2 is less mandatory secondary objectives. Having to destroy the virus every time while getting to Mastery lvl. 20 made Sapienza my least favorite map, even less then loving Marrakesh, and while the storm bunker from Colorado isn't as obnoxious it still fucks up the flow.

You don't have to complete the level to earn the mastery.

Random Asshole
Nov 8, 2010

Jack Trades posted:

If you start Sapienza inside the morgue and bring Breaching Charges with you then destroying the virus take no time nor effort really.

By the time I unlocked the Morgue I was already done, but thanks! I'll definitely do that next time I load up that one.

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

What I did for Sapienza was destroy the virus, save, and then just load that save any time I wanted to do a challenge or up the mastery for the level. You can't bring in any special gear from planning or get any bonus points from starting in different places but it's worth it.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Ugh, I and everyone else are dumb. I don't know exactly what it would trigger, but the French contact that Richard talks to can be poisoned, presumably with an emetic, to some end. I just wound up using a fire extinguisher on the bar to get Inez- which is what virtually everyone does, unless they're doing something insanely finicky with coins.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Odobenidae posted:

I don't know anything about this ET but 1 is yes, dumping an unconscious body off of somewhere even kinda high will count as a kill.

but does it count as an accident? a while ago I killed a target by knocking him out then dropping him off a ledge and when his body was found it counted against my score.

Maphis
Apr 22, 2012
I thought I had a good plan:
Start in 47's room. Nudge Inez as she's walking up the stairs from the staff area so she's trailing behind everyone else. Kill her at the top of the stairs and return to 47's room. Climb down the drainpipe onto the balcony. Shoot Richard while he's on the phone. Climb down drainpipe and escape.

It all went well until I realised the guards on the balcony are Inez's personal escorts and only leave the balcony once she's around. Her body was then found in the staff area by a chef and it all went to hell when I tried to clear the balcony by killing one of the guards. I was intentionally trying not to do rubber duck/fire extinguisher as that seems to be the go-to strategy for most of the elusive targets. Took me hours to come up with this plan and I wish I'd seen the tip about Inez yesterday.

Rev. Melchisedech Howler
Sep 5, 2006

You know. Leather.

BBJoey posted:

but does it count as an accident? a while ago I killed a target by knocking him out then dropping him off a ledge and when his body was found it counted against my score.

Looking forward to the next response to this telling you that dropping bodies off of ledges does kill them.

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

I mean this one time I was trying to stuff a body in a locker but my aim slipped and I looked towards a railing and pushed him off that instead. In my mind it was an accident but it's not for me to decide that, it's up to the game.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Boiled Water posted:

Or use escalations (or contracts possibly?) to get up those points.

Or do that objective first, cleanly, then save the game, then use that save as starting point for other runs.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Dumping an unconscious body off a balcony does count as an accident kill, it turns out.

Ok, this is more complex than I thought. Details when I'm not on a phone.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Nov 7, 2016

Capsaicin
Nov 17, 2004

broof roof roof
wait why are fire extinguishers so good?

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Capsaicin posted:

wait why are fire extinguishers so good?
CSI in the Hitman universe are universally terrible. (Fire extinguisher explosions count as accidents.)

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

CSI in the Hitman universe are universally terrible. (Fire extinguisher explosions count as accidents.)

Also, extinguisher manufacturers are universally terrible. (Fire extinguishers explode like plastic explosives when shot).

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fire extinguishers are win

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
Readily available distractions too. There's nothing they can't do!

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Lasher posted:

Readily available distractions too. There's nothing they can't do!

I'm pretty sure they can't extinguish fires.

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

Capsaicin posted:

wait why are fire extinguishers so good?

They can also be used as lockpicks.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Discendo Vox posted:

Dumping an unconscious body off a balcony does count as an accident kill, it turns out.

Ok, this is more complex than I thought. Details when I'm not on a phone.

Following up from this: if you've knocked someone out, there appears to be a risk that their body will be seen mid-fall, which may count as a body sighting, even though the kill itself is an accident. This is inconsistent and has proven hard to replicate.

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Discendo Vox posted:

Following up from this: if you've knocked someone out, there appears to be a risk that their body will be seen mid-fall, which may count as a body sighting, even though the kill itself is an accident. This is inconsistent and has proven hard to replicate.

Jesus that would be annoying lol

Kolnikov
Mar 25, 2016

the experience is consummated
Pillbug
No SA this time, just a swift call on the phone of phear.

It's the first time I've actually used that option, though, so I don't feel so bad, especially as it's one step closer to another suit.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Is explode-o-phone any different mechanically from explode-o-duck?

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe
It only explodes when answered, so someone has to pick it up first. Also I think the exploding duck is treated like a weapon and thus guards who find it will just cart it off to the nearest stash, while the phone will just be carried around forever by whoever found it.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
The phone is the best explosive to the point where I don't see why you would use any of the other ones once you unlock it.

Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Nov 8, 2016

Ever Disappointing
May 4, 2004

The duck is not considered a weapon

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Jack Trades posted:

Is explode-o-phone any different mechanically from explode-o-duck?

There are a couple of things that make them different.

For one, as mentioned, the phone only explodes when answered — no answer = no explosion.
Even if it is held by someone, this creates a significant delay between pressing the button and the explosion going off, which makes it trickier to time properly if you want to do some fancy precision-killing. People also stop to answer it, which can cause problems if, say, a bodyguard picks it up instead of the target — the target just keeps walking while the guard answers, and by the time the phone goes off, the actual target is out of range. On the other hand, the phone also acts as a lure to get people out of the way — if you just leave it lying around and then press the button, it'll start to ring, which usually makes someone come over to answer it. As always with Hitman AI, it can be a bit random exactly who does so unless you prep the situation carefully.

One last thing that I've noticed, and I'm not sure if it's a bug or not, is that it seems to be a bit unreliable as far as multiple “deployments” go. If you throw out the duck, and it doesn't land where you want or if the target ignores it, you can pick it up and try again. With the phone, it has been my experience that it is pretty much spent once you put it down — if I pick it up again, it just doesn't work any more. I get the detonator back and all, but triggering it does nothing.

Thief
Jan 28, 2011

:420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420:
the explosive duck is a just a coin bomb

the phone is a lot funnier and more fun to use in a situation like elusive targets because it can backfire so easily if the wrong person picks it up when you commit to a call - forcing you to improvise while hundreds of npcs around you are in panic mode

Thief fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Nov 8, 2016

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Tried out the Samsung Note 7, it's really fun to use. Definitely bringing it on every ET from now on.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Tir McDohl posted:

The duck is not considered a weapon

Ah, they must have changed that at some point then - originally it was basically just a skin for the standard remote bomb and guards would treat it the same way if they spotted it.

Friend
Aug 3, 2008

What are the CX Demo blocks for? Are they just larger explosions? That makes the proximity one seem kinda pointless.

Ever Disappointing
May 4, 2004

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Ah, they must have changed that at some point then - originally it was basically just a skin for the standard remote bomb and guards would treat it the same way if they spotted it.

I noticed the hud has changed a bit over the last week too. It's nice that they're continuing to tweak the game for the better.

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Discendo Vox posted:

A couple questions as I think through SAing the current ET without using a fire extinguisher.

1. Does dropping an unconscious body off of a balcony count as an accident kill?

https://youtu.be/sPkrJjZKG9U I have made alarming new discoveries

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Friend posted:

What are the CX Demo blocks for? Are they just larger explosions? That makes the proximity one seem kinda pointless.
Yeah, I think the C4 just has bigger explosive range.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

frank.club posted:

https://youtu.be/sPkrJjZKG9U I have made alarming new discoveries

lol

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Has anyone tried:

1. Dropping poison in the open trough of cold water at the spring?
2. Timing gunshots to the fireworks?
3. Putting an explosive on the coals in the spa?

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WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

Discendo Vox posted:

1. Dropping poison in the open trough of cold water at the spring?
2. Timing gunshots to the fireworks?
3. Putting an explosive on the coals in the spa?

For a hot second I thought I was reading this in a politics thread that I had open in a different tab.

The panic went just as fast as it came.

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