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Arglebargle III posted:The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that the board woman is a replicant. There's several things off about her: she's more like a parody of a corporate board type than a real one, she's far too young, and she used Ford's exact phrasing when plotting to set him up. In fact, it seems like Ford may have set Theresa up from the first hint that she might move against him. Well, Bernard is a host. Elsie brought the device to Bernard. Elsie tells Bernard who was doing it. Hence Ford now knows. Ford contacts the board. The board says, "Yup she failed the test she was designated." By her own words she was "tasked to protect the IP of the park". The Board tells Ford to 86 her. Ford gets a host to start T down a narrative. T takes the bait. T follows Bernard, still believing he isn't a host and still very much with feelings for him (Hence the arm touch in the hallway) she falls right into the trap that Ford had planned for her. The park's IP is protected and one unreliable agent is removed. HYEQTNOYR?
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JossiRossi posted:In the defense of a totally insane and power hungry Ford. He totally warned her to just let him do his thing. He seemed to gladly let her shack up with his Bot Buddy and manage the boring day to day emergencies of the park. But, she didn't stop. He took her to a restaurant and literally bulldozed it in front of her. That was not a veiled threat.
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Nov 14, 2016 04:43
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JossiRossi posted:In the defense of a totally insane and power hungry Ford. He totally warned her to just let him do his thing. He seemed to gladly let her shack up with his Bot Buddy and manage the boring day to day emergencies of the park. But, she didn't stop. Gives a sinister tone to: "The board is sending a representative." "Haven't you heard? She's already here. I thought they'd have told you." The board representative may not have even arrived yet. When the board shows up, Theresa will be there to assure them that everything is fine.
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Nov 14, 2016 04:49
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VendaGoat posted:Well, Bernard is a host. Elsie brought the device to Bernard. Elsie tells Bernard who was doing it. Hence Ford now knows. How did she fail it though? I thought she was stealing it. So, instead of her fialing her task it was more so that she was exporting IP, right?
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Nov 14, 2016 04:49
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VendaGoat posted:Well, Bernard is a host. Elsie brought the device to Bernard. Elsie tells Bernard who was doing it. Hence Ford now knows. The board are hosts.
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Nov 14, 2016 04:49
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Mr. Apollo posted:
Just rewatched the scene. It's not just absent in the previous episode. In this episode, the shot starts out with the door absent, pans away on Bernard's POV, and when it pans back the door is present  e: vvv his wife on the videophone would point to him being replaced (why would Ford bother making fake video calls?) but the fact that Arnold died relatively young and Ford asks him if he was present when Arnold died points to him being original. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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This also brings up the question of whether Bernard was a real person at some point in the past who got replaced, or if Ford built him from scratch.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:The board are hosts. Lol what if the Board Lady is a host, and she knows it, and thats why she's so blatant about loving that guy when Theresea shows up? Like, she already has been through the looking glass. Also maybe, she passed the maze test, or whatever test, for a host to go through and be able to get out of the park. Maybe the maze is Ford's way of finding the right hosts to hire and promote into the real world (and thats how he got his board together)
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I don't think the board lady is a host. No reason to really kill Theresa in that case. He could have instead just left her emotionally wrecked. Sounds like he was spying on their meeting when Hector was in the room. Then next week we'll find out why he had her killed, and see how he uses her death to get the board off of his back. There was something he needed to accomplish with her dying, and I can't see that being necessary if the board are hosts.
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Vernii posted:This also brings up the question of whether Bernard was a real person at some point in the past who got replaced, or if Ford built him from scratch. He's probably Arnold
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KoRMaK posted:How did she fail it though? I thought she was stealing it. So, instead of her fialing her task it was more so that she was exporting IP, right? If your one task is to protect the IP rights of whatever, why would you ever engage in any version of transmitting that IP anywhere? If it was the board, or a single member that approached her and said, "We feel Ford has become unreliable, we feel he is going to burn the place to the ground and you, being the entity representing the board need to protect that, by stealing it." They put her in a catch-22. It's an ethics test. You can either ignore/refuse the quest, thereby showing your loyalty to either the whole board, the company and the like, but making a powerful enemy of the person asking you or you can go along with it, down the naive path, of believing that this person who is asking you to commit an untoward act, with the best of intentions, also has your best intentions in mind. Someone gave her that device. She's not a programmer, she's not a tech. She's a delegate. Someone tasked her with that. What the person who tasked her with its intent, is currently unknown. But, we do know the board and someone on it, was the one who did it. VendaGoat fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 04:57
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Eh Ford probably just bugged the room or more likely has Hector and other hosts record info even when turned off. If not what was the point of having Hector in the scene?
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drat it beat. ^^ I don't think board lady is a host. It just makes it to twisty and I don't see a reason for it narratively. Ford could have been spying on her using the host that was present during her meeting or Bernard knew about her involvement in trying to smuggle out the parks IP and told Ford. It just doesn't add anything to make the any board members hosts, in fact it removes the only external park conflict Ford has to deal with. Maybe I could see it if they just want to turn the narrative inward on the parks AI revolt, but I doubt it. Now I'm sure there will be some other staff member that are hosts. I'm starting to think there will be very little AI revolt disasters in the park, as we aren't really following many Human guests around in the park. Its probably going to be about the inevitable robot massacre that happens in the facility.
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Nov 14, 2016 04:58
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So, the place that Bernard and Ford kill the woman, is that the same place that Bernard gave Delores her private interviews with him?
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Nov 14, 2016 04:59
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It's confirmed by the producers that Ford listened in on their conversation via Hector.
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Nov 14, 2016 05:00
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Junkfist posted:Eh Ford probably just bugged the room or more likely has Hector and other hosts record info even when turned off. Oh this is possible. As we already know, all sexual events with the hosts are logged. We also know that, "A representative from the board has already arrived. I thought they would have told you." Ford can have more then one piece attacking another.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Also Ford's I am a god speech was horrifying Anthony Hopkins owns so hard.
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Max posted:So, the place that Bernard and Ford kill the woman, is that the same place that Bernard gave Delores her private interviews with him? Yeah. May not be the exact same place, but from that scene we know there are remote stations like that throughout the park.
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't think the board lady is a host. No reason to really kill Theresa in that case. He could have instead just left her emotionally wrecked. Hmmm. I can, because if she's going to not be 100% onboard then she can't reveal the secrets to the broader outside world. Also, def the bot was a recording device. If a board member asked me to transmit backups to offsite backups points controlled by the board because the head programmer never did I would think I'd be in service of duties to protect the IP. This idiot ford is making it so that the IP isn't backed up offsite - which is a dumb bad move in terms of a business but if I'm an egotistical creative programmer then gently caress yea I'm not sharing that poo poo on github.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Also Ford's I am a god speech was horrifying e: combine that with the personalities of walt disney and maybe henery ford lol
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KoRMaK posted:If a board member asked me to transmit backups to offsite backups points controlled by the board because the head programmer never did I would think I'd be in service of duties to protect the IP. This idiot ford is making it so that the IP isn't backed up offsite - which is a dumb bad move in terms of a business but if I'm an egotistical creative programmer then gently caress yea I'm not sharing that poo poo on github. From a tech standpoint I agree, it's the worst thing imaginable. From a guests standpoint it's a godsend. What violent delights could be used against me in the outside world? Blackmail is a powerful thing.
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Yeah hey wait a second what kind of idiot executive board member just leaves a freshly hosed Host listening in on their super nefarious borderline illegal conversation? Did that lady just not know Hosts can do that? Even if she didn't wouldn't Theresa have known and taken a precaution? Man this show always manages to get on my nerves.
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Junkfist posted:Yeah hey wait a second what kind of idiot executive board member just leaves a freshly hosed Host listening in on their super nefarious borderline illegal conversation? Well, 1) it's known that all sexual encounters with hosts are recorded - so the board lady SHOULD know 2) Theresa would know the same The writers/production knew this when the scene was recorded, so work backwards from there to make sense of it.
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Junkfist posted:Yeah hey wait a second what kind of idiot executive board member just leaves a freshly hosed Host listening in on their super nefarious borderline illegal conversation? She turned it off. She literally picked up a tablet and shut it down. It's been established you can turn hosts off.
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KoRMaK posted:poo poo. Well, here's what I can surmise Analysis. Has someone increased your apperception?
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Hollismason posted:She turned it off. She literally picked up a tablet and shut it down. It's been established you can turn hosts off. The one the necro butcher banged was turned off.
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KoRMaK posted:poo poo. Well, here's what I can surmise When they say sexual encounters are logged, I think they mean that it gets noted down it happened, not that it is actively recording. That tech got busted cause he did that in a room with a camera in it, and cross referencing the security cam with a timestamp Elise had her blackmail. I think most people assume when they tell the host to shut down that it IS shut down. Ford is using backdoors to subvert that though.
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KoRMaK posted:poo poo. Well, here's what I can surmise People are dumb and make mistakes. This can be explained away simply by the fact that they weren't being careful, something that happens in reality all the time.
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Junkfist posted:Yeah hey wait a second what kind of idiot executive board member just leaves a freshly hosed Host listening in on their super nefarious borderline illegal conversation? If she really is a board member, she's way too young to have gotten there by merit anyway. She plays to me more like a parody of a young rich executive with more entitlement than skill. So either she's a host or she could very well be a rich idiot. Society doesn't sound very fair from what we've seen of Logan and the techs worried about their jobs.
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Hollismason posted:She turned it off. She literally picked up a tablet and shut it down. It's been established you can turn hosts off. Dude, cmon. You know that it doesn't mean its actually shut down. My phone isn't really off unless I take the battery out. If the thing is listening for commands, then it's still running.
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KoRMaK posted:Dude, cmon. You know that it doesn't mean its actually shut down. My phone isn't really off unless I take the battery out. If the thing is listening for commands, then it's still running. And yet we keep these devices with us during the most secret and important exchanges of information, willingly.
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I've had the siri listening beep thing go off after an argument with a close perosnal relationship before lol. There was a small essay on the screen lol
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I use a analog phone line.
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Wow, that happened. And after William's speech, I might even be willing to even believe the two timelines theory. 
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VendaGoat posted:And yet we keep these devices with us during the most secret and important exchanges of information, willingly.  becomes pretty appropriate here.
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KoRMaK posted:Ford is walt disney btw. So, i wonder what kind of xenophobia he has.
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KoRMaK posted:What the gently caress does Bernard see when he is doing the image test? Probably the same things that are already on the images. He's obviously programmed differently and not being able to see images of modern stuff would give it away. They're programmed not to see things that would harm their perception of their own reality.
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Mr. Apollo posted:He hates (pities?) humans. https://vimeo.com/12915013 e: oh, elsie is dead. "according to the system she started her leave today." Oh, also - Bernards actions against Theresa confirm that hosts can kill humans. Vernii posted:Probably the same things that are already on the images. He's obviously programmed differently and not being able to see images of modern stuff would give it away. They're programmed not to see things that would harm their perception of their own reality.
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