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learnincurve posted:The main industry is in Ireland, the UK and France (but I don't know how their industry works). You have your hardy outdoor cobs, those are bred for hacking, and specifically for meat. These horses might never be in a stable. Then you have your pretty dainty clippy cloppy horses for racing or showing and whatnot. 99% of them end up at the knackers yard and then on to the food chain no matter how expensive and pure-bred they are because, have you ever had to try and dispose of a dead horse? Last time it cost $350 to the renderers who handle dead animals, and $100 to the county just because. In some places you can bury them, but in most of So Cal that's not allowed. I knew where a few have been buried, but the law's changed since then. Special racehorses may be buried intact, but if they're going to bury them it's usually just the head, heart & hooves that go into the ground. Yes, there's places that cremate them, and you get an enormous urn that's going to be one helluva conversation piece for years to come.
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Alhazred posted:The Castro assassination attempts: Is this for real? It sounds like some Wile E. Coyote poo poo.
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Nov 26, 2016 12:26
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There's no end to the stupid projects that the CIA were willing to fund during the Cold War. They put a spy camera and radio transmitter into a cat, with the intention of releasing it into the Kremlin. It was run over by a truck within five minutes of being released.
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Nov 26, 2016 12:44
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I hope the truck was steered by a KGB agent who had been ordered to take the cat out
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Nov 26, 2016 12:47
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Khazar-khum posted:Riding aside will really work you out, yes. How does one fence a used show saddle?
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Nov 26, 2016 12:50
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Spy vs Spy was a documentary.
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Rutibex posted:How does one fence a used show saddle? PM me if ur looking to unload 
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Nov 26, 2016 14:05
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Rutibex posted:How does one fence a used show saddle? Ebay, I would imagine? Not like it's got a serial number on it or anything. Must be a market out there somewhere.
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CoolCab posted:Ebay, I would imagine? Not like it's got a serial number on it or anything. Must be a market out there somewhere. Out of curiosity, I just searched "used show saddle" on eBay and found listings ranging from $99 to $4500 just on the first page of results. There's something for everyone!
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Nov 26, 2016 14:22
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I heard once that the CIA also authorised a scheme to make Castro's beard fall out because they hoped it would make him look less distinguished. No doubt from the sitcom version of the Cold War.
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Nov 26, 2016 14:38
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Wheat Loaf posted:I heard once that the CIA also authorised a scheme to make Castro's beard fall out because they hoped it would make him look less distinguished. They also had a plan to dose him with LSD before a speech.
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Nov 26, 2016 14:39
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System Metternich posted:I hope the truck was steered by a KGB agent who had been ordered to take the cat out Even better if it was a KGB agent who legitimately ran the cat over by accident on the way to a dead drop.
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Nov 26, 2016 15:56
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Having a clearly defined enemy who isn't an existential threat is pretty nice for both sides, so it wouldn't be too surprising if some of those assassination attempts were a bit halfhearted. (  )
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Nov 26, 2016 16:01
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Wheat Loaf posted:I heard once that the CIA also authorised a scheme to make Castro's beard fall out because they hoped it would make him look less distinguished. Alhazred posted:The Castro assassination attempts:
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Nov 26, 2016 16:56
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Suspect Bucket posted:Not historical, but there's a very good reason horse is not sold for consumption in the US. In many countries in Europe, particularly the EU, horses have a medical passport that follows them their whole lives. When they travel, are seen by a vet or given medication (particularly painkillers, antibiotics, and hormones), it's noted in their passport. When a horse is old or no longer useful, it can be taken to the slaughter house, it is inspected to be healthy, you say goodbye, hand the guy the passport, and the horse is led away, stunned and bled out in a qualified and rigorously inspected facility, is processed and enters the food stream. The owner receives a small amount of cash. Huh, so that must be why horse is so goddamn expensive. It's good, delicious meat, make no mistake, but seriously overpriced
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Nov 26, 2016 17:31
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Um. In Europe Horse meat is what's in pet food, and pound per pound is the cheapest meat out there. UK Had a big scandal recently where it turns out naughty people were substituting beef for horse meat in processed foods like burgers and meatballs and labelling it as beef. What it is is hard to find in shops in the UK, go to France and it's far more common.
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Nov 26, 2016 17:37
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Show saddles are extremely expensive, and even the most beat-up show riding boots, decent ones anyway like Koenigs, will still sell for hundreds used.
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Nov 26, 2016 17:47
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learnincurve posted:Um. In Europe Horse meat is what's in pet food, and pound per pound is the cheapest meat out there. UK Had a big scandal recently where it turns out naughty people were substituting beef for horse meat in processed foods like burgers and meatballs and labelling it as beef. What it is is hard to find in shops in the UK, go to France and it's far more common. I'm from Italy. I guess the cheap cuts just aren't sold to the general public, because all I can find are hugely overpriced steaks
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Alhazred posted:Yes, i wonder where you might've picked up that little factoid... Skipped directly to last page, sorry. 
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hackbunny posted:I'm from Italy. I guess the cheap cuts just aren't sold to the general public, because all I can find are hugely overpriced steaks Turns out you are importing from the French and they are racking the prices up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21324523
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Nov 26, 2016 18:43
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The cheap meat that gets added into illicit products comes from horses uncertified for butchering. The concern ins't only that people are being sold inferior meat / lied to, it is also that such meat may be pumped full of antibiotics and other undesirable substances because it hasn't been legally sourced and licensed. Legally sold horse meat can be expensive because it is likely to come from relatively low volume sources with high standards and overhead, and so are not only more expensive to raise, but also harder to broker and have a larger expected handling and marketing cost before reaching a consumer than popular meats.
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hackbunny posted:I'm from Italy. I guess the cheap cuts just aren't sold to the general public, because all I can find are hugely overpriced steaks What would be an appropriate price?
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Horse meat is delicious but not something I can find in pure form in any old food store here in Sweden at least except maybe as cold cuts (though I do live in the boonies, might be better in the cities proper). The funny thing to me though is that it tends to be sold under the monicker "Hamburgerkött" (i.e. Hamburger meat) to dodge preconceived notions about meat from horses which is possible because there are no specific (legal) rules about what hamburger meat consists of. 
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Nov 26, 2016 20:45
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I swear to god I am unsubbing this thread if people start posting their favorite roast dog recipes.  Horses are our friend, you are not supposed to eat your friend!
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Nov 26, 2016 21:15
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Rutibex posted:Horses are our friend, you are not supposed to eat your friend! Whilst accurate it hasn't stopped people eating their friends in the past.
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Josef bugman posted:Whilst accurate it hasn't stopped people eating their friends in the past. Case in point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Dudley_and_Stephens
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Nov 26, 2016 21:29
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Cows have best friends and you eat them all the time 
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Nov 26, 2016 21:31
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Rutibex posted:I swear to god I am unsubbing this thread if people start posting their favorite roast dog recipes. How do you feel about rabbits?
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Nov 26, 2016 21:46
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Pigs are hella smart. Horses are idiots. Both are delicious.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:How do you feel about rabbits? I am neutral on rabbits. They are pretty dumb, and serve no useful purpose. I say eat them. Same goes for pet birds less interesting than parrots or hawks, and all fish.
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Generally, for whatever reason in the US, the division is generally working v. non-working animals. You don't generally eat working animals (that is, animals you primarily used for labor and not for products).
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Nov 26, 2016 22:52
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I will cut you
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Pick posted:Generally, for whatever reason in the US, the division is generally working v. non-working animals. You don't generally eat working animals (that is, animals you primarily used for labor and not for products). It kind of makes sense, old work animals are not a good source of meat, there needs to be either a material reason (poverty) or a cultural impetus for slaughtering them to be attractive.
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Rutibex posted:I am neutral on rabbits. They are pretty dumb, and serve no useful purpose. I say eat them. Same goes for pet birds less interesting than parrots or hawks, and all fish. I mean, it's all cultural - hence why as I stated earlier horse meat isn't sold under that name a lot of the time, being in a grey "kinda-sorta" taboo area. For a long time in scandinavia, as an example, crabs, lobster and other shellfish were seen as something ungodly you just would't eat, even if you were starving - and these days it's fairly expensive delicacies. Much like how it's cultural/religious not to eat pork, or how it's hard to grasp eating insects for a lot of us westerners who are not used to the idea. Of course, horses we might see as friends (i.e. Riding horses) don't end up as food, since they get all kinds of medication as mentioned earlier and so wouldn't be healthy to eat. (All that being said - no; I wouldn't eat dog).
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Inepta Lacerta posted:(All that being said - no; I wouldn't eat dog). Even if starving?
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Josef bugman posted:Even if starving? That's a question nobody who hasn't experienced actual starvation can answer honestly. But I think I would be as appalled by the idea of eating my own dog as I would be by eating a human corpse. Though I guess it would be a different thing to eat a dog that attacked me first, as far as survival situations are concerned.
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Inepta Lacerta posted:I mean, it's all cultural - hence why as I stated earlier horse meat isn't sold under that name a lot of the time, being in a grey "kinda-sorta" taboo area. For a long time in scandinavia, as an example, crabs, lobster and other shellfish were seen as something ungodly you just would't eat, even if you were starving - For lobster at least, this was the case for a very long time in most places- there were places in America that forbade feeding convicts lobster on the grounds it was cruel and unusual punishment. This was in part because dead lobsters "rot" incredibly quickly and become disgusting to eat almost immediately, so only places that could fish them locally could enjoy them. This radically changed once the technology to keep them alive for longer was developed, and then again thanks to freezing technology.
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steinrokkan posted:That's a question nobody who hasn't experienced actual starvation can answer honestly. But I think I would be as appalled by the idea of eating my own dog as I would be by eating a human corpse. I remember reading an account of someone at the siege of Leningrad, and they were hoping their parents would die because then they could take their ration of food.
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In the 17th century American colonies Lobster was so abundant but regarded as garbage meat that it was only eaten by the really poor and was used to feed livestock, indentured servants and prisoners. Some servants successfully sued their owners to limit feeding them Lobster to only 3 times a week instead of everyday.
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Josef bugman posted:I remember reading an account of someone at the siege of Leningrad, and they were hoping their parents would die because then they could take their ration of food. Yeah, but then there were also people who allowed their infants to drink their blood when they ran out of food.
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