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pathetic little tramp posted:With this victory let's all stand for the National Anthem of North Carolina
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pathetic little tramp posted:Now all he has to do is not pack the court on the way out, and North Carolina will have a chance to succeed. Until redistricting happens the biggest change (and don't get me wrong, it's a huge one) is veto power. The state legislature will continue to be beyond terrible.
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pathetic little tramp posted:With this victory let's all stand for the National Anthem of North Carolina
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Asnorban posted:Until redistricting happens the biggest change (and don't get me wrong, it's a huge one) is veto power. The state legislature will continue to be beyond terrible. Yeah, there are veto proof majorities in both houses still, so for the next year at least, there will be some pain. Still... McCrory's and Edmunds's losses send a message. If the GA tries to overpress, there are consequences for Republicans in statewide races.
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Dec 5, 2016 19:28
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I dunno, in light of recent events I feel like the public cares less about local and state legislature than you think. People are really only interested in the national level, so I don't see how the GOP overreaching would hurt them instead of just going ignored. But maybe I just have little faith in my fellow citizens 
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Bodyholes posted:Yeah, there are veto proof majorities in both houses still, so for the next year at least, there will be some pain. next years elections gonna be crazy, thats for sure i wonder how much more theyll drag their feet in court over them?
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Pollyanna posted:I dunno, in light of recent events I feel like the public cares less about local and state legislature than you think. People are really only interested in the national level, so I don't see how the GOP overreaching would hurt them instead of just going ignored. But maybe I just have little faith in my fellow citizens A lot of people do care about local and state legislature. They just tend to be on the conservative/libertarian side of the spectrum. It's a problem that the DNC doesn't seem to care to address and it's one of the reasons why they're going to be gerrymandered out of relevance for another decade.
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A nice long tweetthread about the Moral Monday movement and the good it did in NC: https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/805862394497040384
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Dec 5, 2016 20:56
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I feel like putting together a shame list for McCheese, but might get tired of it. Maybe we can collaborate John "abiotic oil is real" Skvarla for head of DENR
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aldona wos margaret spellings little ricky diaz art pope of course
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-Presided over the gutting of NC's education spending -Broke campaign promises and passed the most draconian abortion restrictions in the state's history--closing all but a handful of centers -Shifted the tax burden from the rich to the poor and middle class -Failed to stop the general assembly when they retroactively and spitefully canceled the Dorothea Dix deal Perdue had made with the city of Raleigh. -Failed to stop the general assembly when they seized Charlotte's airport, and Asheville's water supply. -Failed to stop the general assembly when they redrew districts for municipal elections in Raleigh and Greensboro and gerrymandered the hell out of them, to help further convert this state into a dictatorship. -Fought to protect his buddies in Duke Energy from oversight and accountability when dealing with the coal ash disasters that have occurred under his term. -Passed HB2, costing us $400 million in business, making us the laughing stock of the country, setting our civil rights back a nice few decades, as well as eliminating a lot of worker protections in more obscure sections of the law which help further convert NC's workforce into serfs, and he intended to keep this insane law so long as he stayed in office. The potential for our major cities to attract business and grow was permanently set back by this. -Tried to prevent the Supreme Court election from occurring this year by passing a law calling for a retention election for Edmunds. Had it not been overturned in federal courts, voters merely would've chosen whether to keep or fire Edmunds, after which McCrory would appoint the replacement. For me I think this one was the lowest. This guy doesn't like democracy very much, that's clear. ...The list isn't finished yet... there's still the special session. Will he pack the court? Bodyholes has issued a correction as of 22:59 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Bodyholes posted:...The list isn't finished yet... there's still the special session. Will he pack the court? I've yet to see a single good argument for why they wouldn't pack the court during the special session. His concession could even be to soften the blow of doing so since packing the court while fighting a losing battle over the governorship would probably look too corrupt even for the NC GOP.
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Bodyholes posted:-Presided over the gutting of NC's education spending This is a good list. I copied it onto my FB feed and made sure to attribute it to "SA forums user 'Bodyholes'".
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Evil Fluffy posted:I've yet to see a single good argument for why they wouldn't pack the court during the special session. 99% of the poo poo they're trying to pull involves violating federal laws, and trump will appoint scalia's replacement soon, so just about anything can get bumped to federal court and appealed to scotus that's really about it. lord knows they're all spiteful enough to do it Bodyholes posted:
-witch hunts against state whistleblowers and chasing career civil servants out of pretty much every agency -had a guy in a grocery store fired because the guy didn't kiss his rear end -sent out a plate of chocolate chip cookies to a group protesting the motorcycle vagina bill -this loving ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKnvI3DUbA The Muppets On PCP has issued a correction as of 23:29 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Phone posted:This is a good list. I copied it onto my FB feed and made sure to attribute it to "SA forums user 'Bodyholes'". Pat blamed non-existent teacher unions for getting in the way of pay raises
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Dec 5, 2016 23:33
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Evil Fluffy posted:I've yet to see a single good argument for why they wouldn't pack the court during the special session. His concession could even be to soften the blow of doing so since packing the court while fighting a losing battle over the governorship would probably look too corrupt even for the NC GOP. I think they will do it and cite the democrats adding justices to the Court of Appeals back in 2000 as precedent. Now, the 2000 thing is somewhat different because democrats had held onto their majority on the Court of Appeals fair and square in the 2000 election, so adding justices afterwards didn't change who controlled the court. But much the same way "democrats did it before" isn't really true for the gerrymandering either... it's enough of a thin "tit for tat" excuse for their base to buy it and be okay with it, and that's all they need.
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Dec 6, 2016 00:12
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I'd like to think this dude in front of me today was weeping in his Dalemobile at the news
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:I'd like to think this dude in front of me today was weeping in his Dalemobile at the news How did this dude manage to castrate the Hulk?
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Dec 6, 2016 01:53
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The standard red white black 88 always rubbed me the wrong way and I don't follow NASCAR, is this a standard variant? Hope it's just the dude's fantasy car, like Dale uploaded to the matrix and he writes sweet fanfics on his days off
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sweart gliwere posted:The standard red white black 88 always rubbed me the wrong way and I don't follow NASCAR, is this a standard variant? Hope it's just the dude's fantasy car, like Dale uploaded to the matrix and he writes sweet fanfics on his days off he drives a green mountain dew sponsored car from time to time
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Who're your favorite drivers? Tony Stewart and Dale Jr, in that order
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Welp. Looks like we could just be giving him to the entire country now. Not even 24 hours before this garbage. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/308952-mccrory-to-meet-with-trump-amid-conceding-nc-governors-race
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If McCheese takes a national position, I retract my previously-undisclosed retraction of a secret plan to spend a week stalking him for ball taps (if I secretly get invisibility powers)
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Don't forget several of his 2012 campaign people were handed cushy state jobs that didn't exist before 2013 and for which they did not qualify. Just give a $115k job to buddies while freezing pay for teachers with 15 years experience. gently caress you McCheese.
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I think the only lesson that will be taken from this is that bathroom bills are a losing issue. Whatever else McCrory may have done seems to have flown under the radar. So North Carolinians expect your republican state legislature to stay the course for the next 4 years, minus bathroom bills.
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They overpressed hard right social issues in an election year. Richard Burr and Donald Trump denounced HB2 and won the state handily. McCrory was stubborn about it and lost, and he only barely lost, which suggests they can get away with an awful lot. That Burr won by so much more than Trump is a deeply troubling sign for progressives' prospects in future races here. Burr's an extremely unpopular senator, he's a corrupt rear end in a top hat, but his base doesn't see that. Ross was also the strongest senate candidate the democrats had fielded in a long time here. If she'd lost by the same amount as Clinton that would be one thing but she got crushed. The fact that Democrats couldn't beat Tillis either in 2014, a candidate with even more baggage than McCrory at the time, is a huge problem. NC dems need to integrate the Moral Monday movement into their message more there's still a separation between what the state party is pushing and what the voters want. And they've got to find some way to dial up the youth turnout or NC will be a red state for the next decade.
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Our states districts are the most gerrymandered in the nation. Lets put it this way the republican party drew a district specifically to encompass black people and minorities. https://www.buzzfeed.com/qsahmed/the-10-most-gerrymandered-districts-in-america-dh45?utm_term=.jcQJYEDBXb#.wdJB8OVwpK The republican party in NC can pretty much get away with anything until the next census even though our state is pretty much an even mix of Democrats and Republicans. That is assuming no one stops them from redrawing the districts themselves after the next census. McCrory was the only republican to really lose in NC which says a lot.
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owDAWG posted:McCrory was the only republican to really lose in NC which says a lot. Several Republicans in statewide races lost. Taking away Robert Edmunds' seat on the Supreme Court was a major victory for democrats. Also Buck "Keep our State Straight" Newton lost, which is good. Keeping the Attorney General seat will be important in the coming years. It's a good launchpost for senate and governor candidates in the future, and it's good to have for when NC passes lovely unconstitutional laws, since a good AG won't defend them in Federal Court.
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owDAWG posted:Our states districts are the most gerrymandered in the nation. Lets put it this way the republican party drew a district specifically to encompass black people and minorities. NC has been forced to redraw their districts by March and, once approved, hold new elections in 2017. So there's a real chance, next year, for North Carolina to be saved. Go get involved and put the state back in control of democrats.
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Moral of the story: No large organization is the impenetrable wall it appears to be, and that only by refusing to fight against them does it become reality.
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Bodyholes posted:The fact that Democrats couldn't beat Tillis either in 2014, a candidate with even more baggage than McCrory at the time, is a huge problem. hagan should've been a warning sign to the clinton campaign; she narrowly lost for the exact same reasons
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The Muppets On PCP posted:hagan should've been a warning sign to the clinton campaign; she narrowly lost for the exact same reasons Definitely. Perdue as well. The decline of third way democrats in governorships, congressional races, and legislatures in every single one of the swing states should've been an omen for the national party. Democrats like losing though so they ignored it.
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pathetic little tramp posted:NC has been forced to redraw their districts by March and, once approved, hold new elections in 2017. So there's a real chance, next year, for North Carolina to be saved. Go get involved and put the state back in control of democrats. The big problem is Democrats don't turn out in non-presidential years. That combined with it being a special election doesn't give me much hope, even with the redrawn districts, for things to swing that much.
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Bodyholes posted:Definitely. Perdue as well. The decline of third way democrats in governorships, congressional races, and legislatures in every single one of the swing states should've been an omen for the national party. the bigger issue and this applied as much to hfa when it was ofa is it's only designed to get the president elected, and they're so entwined with the national party that it basically ensures zero support ever makes its way downticket or in off years
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Asnorban posted:The big problem is Democrats don't turn out in non-presidential years. That combined with it being a special election doesn't give me much hope, even with the redrawn districts, for things to swing that much. I think new party leadership and Dems being an opposition party could change that though. Midterm elections are usually referendums on the governing party, and if an Ellison-led DNC can finally get the party to ditch OFA's top-down bullshit in favor of downticket strategies that work, the Dems have a big opportunity to rebuild in the next few years
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HorseRenoir posted:I think new party leadership and Dems being an opposition party could change that though. Midterm elections are usually referendums on the governing party, and if an Ellison-led DNC can finally get the party to ditch OFA's top-down bullshit in favor of downticket strategies that work, the Dems have a big opportunity to rebuild in the next few years
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