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The Vosgian Beast posted:I internet archived it and this quote in particular is some bullshit I'm interested in a refutation, either from you or elsewhere, because that sounds reasonable to me. Can take this to pm if you want so this bad book podcast isn't overrun by more of my bullshit.
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That's a big plus for SF You can create scenarios that would never exist in the real world and examine them as such. It's like saying Blade is an evil movie, because in real life there wouldn't be any vampires and he'd just be murderizing normal people.
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Famethrowa posted:edit: also, the speaker of the dead thing is a direct reference to the Mormon tradition of going through Holocaust victim lists and posthumously baptizing them as Mormon. As a jew, that is beyond reprehensible. Aw poo poo, really? I haven't read the books in a while, but I thought the speaker for the dead was a really cool idea. Then again, I'm realizing there was a lot I didn't pick up about the books.
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Let me just say that I turned off after the dramatic reading set to Yakety Sax. That poo poo wasn't funny, and I don't mean in an offensive way. Except for being offensive to my ear drums.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:That's a big plus for SF That's also why sci-fi polemics need to be heavily picked apart and critiqued. They can be incredibly misleading. apokaladle posted:Aw poo poo, really? I haven't read the books in a while, but I thought the speaker for the dead was a really cool idea. Then again, I'm realizing there was a lot I didn't pick up about the books. The whole series is heavily influenced by Mormon cosmology, especially the way colonies are conceived as being heterogenous groups of people (like the Mormon concept of afterlife). It'd be interesting to pick apart in detail, but gently caress reading those boring things.
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E: actually I have decided to not follow through with this debate because this, as others have said, is not the place for it I will say you have some weird hangups about Mormons. I have a Mormon friend and they're like, the best person I know, they aren't Darth Vader dude
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I have no problems with Mormons, or the religion at large, I have a problem with individual Mormons like Card, and with things promoted by the Mormon institution.
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Famethrowa posted:I have no problems with Mormons, or the religion at large, I have a problem with individual Mormons like Card, and with things promoted by the Mormon institution. Fair enough
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The Vosgian Beast posted:That's a big plus for SF That's not what he's saying in his argument though. He's not arguing that Ender's Game is evil because if it was in the real world, he'd be evil. He's arguing that Ender's Game has a flawed ethical system where people are good or evil only by merit of their intentions, and that the book is constructed in such a way that a "good" person (as judged by the ethical system evident in the book) can commit genocide while remaining innocent. He isn't arguing against intention having any bearing on ethics, he's arguing against an ethical system where intentions are the be-all and end-all of ethics, which is the system he argues Ender's Game operates under.
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Djeser posted:That's not what he's saying in his argument though. He's not arguing that Ender's Game is evil because if it was in the real world, he'd be evil. He's arguing that Ender's Game has a flawed ethical system where people are good or evil only by merit of their intentions, and that the book is constructed in such a way that a "good" person (as judged by the ethical system evident in the book) can commit genocide while remaining innocent. If he is, he's doing a piss-poor job of it
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I'm not even sure what your complaint about his article is. If it's that he's arguing for consequentialist ethics, he isn't, and consequentialism doesn't even come up except in the sense that he argues against Card's intention-based ethics.
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stop arguing with vosgian beast, he isn't interested in making himself understood
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Enders Game sucks poo poo
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This is their best episode since List of the Lost.
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Not sure if I missed the reason, why did they do the second book in the series?
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Koburn posted:Not sure if I missed the reason, why did they do the second book in the series? Because the series isn't a softcore bondage lit version of loving Babylon 5 or Lost. All the Gor books are pretty much interchangeable and nobody cares about any kind of overarching story to the series up to and including John Norman. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Koburn posted:Not sure if I missed the reason, why did they do the second book in the series? collision found two copies at a used book store
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That's not a Jesse Ventura impression J's doing, that's more like the voice Arin put on during one Mario Maker episode of Game Grumps.
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padijun posted:collision found two copies at a used book store Thanks. I re-listened to the episode and caught it this time, must of just spaced out at that section.
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This is also the one that had a movie adaptation that got on MST3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp1RTGZxBTw
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"Oh Jesus Christ, Nietzsche" is I think my favorite thing that JW has ever said.
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Between a two-parter on 2112 and this donor episode, it's like their January content is catered to me and me alone. (the backer episode is the two of them going to a year-in-review issue of Spin Magazine from 1994)
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the 90s were loving trash
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padijun posted:the 90s were loving trash Yup
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Jay has a spiel in the latest backer ep about "I used to waste so much time performatively hating things for peer approval" and LOL. "Used to"? I love this podcast but wish the hosts would do about one-third as much smug chuckling about how enlightened they are every time something sexist or racist comes up. The way they relish the opportunity is as obvious as a naked dick flapping in the wind. Collision, earlier in the episode: "There's this disease where everyone thinks they're a comedian. I think it's called (beat) having a penis!" Tell me more about this strange land you live in where opinionated women are a rarity, "dude". Like the snark of Spin circa '94 isn't exactly what I see when I open up Bust, Jezebel, Reductress, etc. today.
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The Time Dissolver posted:The way they relish the opportunity is as obvious as about the most obvious thing you could think of.
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The Time Dissolver posted:Jay has a spiel in the latest backer ep about "I used to waste so much time performatively hating things for peer approval" and LOL. "Used to"? I love this podcast but wish the hosts would do about one-third as much smug chuckling about how enlightened they are every time something sexist or racist comes up. The way they relish the opportunity is as obvious as a naked dick flapping in the wind. I'm sorry people don't laugh at your jokes
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Tell us more about virtue signaling.
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The Time Dissolver posted:Jay has a spiel in the latest backer ep about "I used to waste so much time performatively hating things for peer approval" and LOL. "Used to"? I love this podcast but wish the hosts would do about one-third as much smug chuckling about how enlightened they are every time something sexist or racist comes up. The way they relish the opportunity is as obvious as a naked dick flapping in the wind. it's two dorks from san francisco talking about spin magazine from 1994, chill out
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Lumbermouth posted:Tell us more about virtue signaling. I want to specifically refute this. It's a podcast, building your audience through what you talk about is the entire point. IDGAF about virtue signaling, only Nazis get up in arms about it. It's that uniquely Californian unctuousness that annoys me.
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The Time Dissolver posted:I want to specifically refute this. It's a podcast, building your audience through what you talk about is the entire point. IDGAF about virtue signaling, only Nazis get up in arms about it. It's that uniquely Californian unctuousness that annoys me. Yeah, only people from California can be pretentious, right. I think Jay's point is he used to try to hate certain things just to seem cool, and now he hates things because he actually hates them. If you think the reason he calls out racist/sexist material can't be because it bothers him, but it has to be part of an scheme to appear and/or feel morally superior and smug, that says more about you than him.
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The Time Dissolver posted:I want to specifically refute this. It's a podcast, building your audience through what you talk about is the entire point. IDGAF about virtue signaling, only Nazis get up in arms about it. It's that uniquely Californian unctuousness that annoys me. The term "virtue signalling" is a neo-nazi development, but I remember people getting angry af at macklemore and John Green for virtue signalling for years.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The term "virtue signalling" is a neo-nazi development, but I remember people getting angry af at macklemore and John Green for virtue signalling for years. They weren't made about virtue signalling because it's a fake idea made up by neo-nazis.
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Jay was referring to hating "posers" and "sellouts" for peer approval since he was part of the hardcore scene. He's mentioned it before, along with his dabbling in straight edge. His distaste for sexist bullshit is genuine. Chris....is a little annoying on twitter with his "no one should find this *popular meme* funny it's stupid"
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Famethrowa posted:Jay was referring to hating "posers" and "sellouts" for peer approval since he was part of the hardcore scene. He's mentioned it before, along with his dabbling in straight edge. But creatively hating on nerds or certain styles of music isn't anywhere near the same as hating racism and sexism.
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