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Tobbs Gnawed posted:So TMM's first attempt at a "content" post has him making sure that we all know he's voting Kashuno, and his vote is staying there, but it's somehow both a serious vote and a joke vote. while nothing you've said here is false, it's D1 and I can understand someone who wasn't here for a portion of this day having little to no conviction. this thread isn't exactly exciting to catch up on it's also hard to feel tmm is weird for having the same opinion as many people vOv
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Murmur Twin posted:I never said my case was contrived, I said Tobbs' reaction was. I feel the same way about this particular line of questioning. that makes waaay more sense and is probably why I forgot about it
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peramene posted:"I would rather reach a point where I could help secure the expedition's victorious identification of the killer and/or killers-at-hand, and to make more use of our first... slaying? Hello friendo~ We are a mighty space being, please tell us who you think is the evil among us. We would like to hear your beautiful opinions. Beautiful like a washed up seal.
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i like you stick but you've got a lot of posts where all you do is defend tobbs. what's up with that
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Jan 12, 2017 19:32
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did you uh, confuse me with someone else?
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Jan 12, 2017 19:34
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tbh i like todds although hes doing his broken brain routine and id rather vote out known garbage players like bottleknight who mostly join mafia games to sub out
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this is a stickup posted:did you uh, confuse me with someone else? stickup is one of the main proponents of my mislynch today
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this is a stickup posted:did you uh, confuse me with someone else? ahaha I did, holy poo poo. Who the gently caress was I just reading
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Jan 12, 2017 19:37
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sorry, it's been years since I've been in a game this huge and I'm already a scatterbrained moron
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for real look at this pair of moat posts!!Moatillata posted:[i've removed all the reads that weren't scum or scum adjacent] Moatillata posted:oh and hey, I think this is a solid vote to push for participation Moat calling SSV scum there but turning around and voting TMM, on who he doesn't have a scum read, feels really bad to me. Either scum trying to deflect off a scumbud without attaching themselves to a town read, or scum trying to set up a paper trail to vote SSV on d2/d3.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:stickup is one of the main proponents of my mislynch today yeah, I mean I would rather lynch TM but todds is sticking out to me more than pmom or whoever maybe bird slammed his head on a glass door or something similar
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i am the bird posted:ahaha I did, holy poo poo. Who the gently caress was I just reading FL maybe? bunch of tobbs defense in there
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peramene posted:"There is no way I'm going to be able to speak up 20+ times in the time before we've reached our deadline, and I have nothing of honest value to add. I suppose a little later I can try to make sense of some of these things, but right now it seems like a lot of you have prior experience with one another that neither I nor the investigation benefit from at all." I agree with this very much. Everyone is all "meta this" and "meta that" and I'm like "idk". Also the people that's most defensive of Tobbs is ChaosLord and BottleKnight
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Jan 12, 2017 19:39
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Murmur Twin posted:I'd really like to request that people re-read BK! It won't take long, promise. Sure, why not.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Moat calling SSV scum there but turning around and voting TMM, on who he doesn't have a scum read, feels really bad to me. Either scum trying to deflect off a scumbud without attaching themselves to a town read, or scum trying to set up a paper trail to vote SSV on d2/d3. this is pretty drat weird. also a few of his reads seem to be tossed in there just to have more reads Moatillata posted:-pera needs to be stopped before she loses her mind like what is happening in poo poo talking chutes and ladders rn
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Pinterest Mom posted:for real look at this pair of moat posts!! so you think moat and ssv are scum together?
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Tired Moritz posted:Also the people that's most defensive of Tobbs is ChaosLord and BottleKnight Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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chaoslord posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think he's just saying things. People defending me or not is irrelevant anyways since I'm town lol
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Chic Trombone posted:so you think moat and ssv are scum together? i'm not sure what my belief ordering is on (only SSV scum) / (only Moat scum) / (both scum)
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Jan 12, 2017 19:42
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If you don't want to waste time, here's a tip! Don't bother trying to make connections between me and any of the other players before I flip. There aren't any.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:42
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##unvote ##vote bottleknight
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Tired Moritz posted:I agree with this very much. Everyone is all "meta this" and "meta that" and I'm like "idk". none of this is true lynch all liars
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Pinterest Mom posted:i'm not sure what my belief ordering is on (only SSV scum) / (only Moat scum) / (both scum) (but tbc: i think moat is scummy independent of ssv)
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chaoslord posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh oh sorry, I'm mixing your giant post about Keane's BP post and I thought it was agreeing with Tobbs about it being an obvious joke post but Tobbs was actually agreeing with you later.
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Flying Leatherman posted:Disregarding meta, Pera, is there nobody that stands out to you at all? "Not at present. The one thing I can say is that I perhaps realize the cacophony itself might be telling. On Tobbs: The first to vote is Slamburger, joined by PMom, joined, unjoined, and then rejoined by Kashuno. Kashuno leaves again.(1); MMT joins, this is a stickup joins, Kashuno rejoins, PMOM leaves, chores joins, leaves, and then rejoins, Tired Moritz joins, Kashuno bails, i am the bird joins. As far as people willing enough to target Tobbs to file a vote, Kashuno flails wildly, and five others have remained. The only people to bail and stay gone from Tobbs are PMom, currently in second place, but holding a sole vote on SSV, alone. Surety that the Tobbs thing wasn't working out, or an attempt to differentiate himself from the rest of his comrades? Impossible to say; Kashuno, now targeting PMom; and Slamburger, now supporting the FL vote without either of the original supporters - that seems odd to me, but what do I know? PMOM has the temerity once again to instruct me in how I choose to speak which I continue not to appreciate but will not hold against him. We have Kashuno flailing wildly - which, alright, seems to be what Kashuno does, but at least for the moment ending up targeting PMom; Tobbs; SSV, perhaps in retaliation for PMom's vote; Tobbs bails; Max bails; Flying Leatherman joins and Kashuno rejoins. As for TMMadman, Tobbs is flailing like crazy. I'm sure he's gone around the table as to why, but apply a vote on and off like crazy like so seems wildly ridiculous to me. Or maybe it is typical behavior that will not strike any of you as suspicious. Moat joins this vote with Tobbs. On Flying Leatherman, chaoslord opens, Tobbs joins, then both retreat. Bottleknight joins. Slamburger joins. I'm not sure. This seems suspicious, and I guess I'll echo MMT's call for our friends to "reread" BK. As for the sole vote on SSV, I have already discussed Pmom's temerity, but I will note that while he insults me, he does not try to build a movement against me. Ask yourself: if you were one of our killers, would my way of doing things irritate you enough to draw your ire? Would you focus on me? I think this might actually be a bit of an argument for PMom's innocence, which I am not comfortable stating outright, but seems to be the case to me? At least with the available evidence. Why would a killer want a less-experienced investigator to speak up more? I don't know. Maybe it is cover. As far as content posts go, this is pretty lovely. But I suppose it was good for me to give it a try. I will reread BK in a little bit, and to be fair, reread MMT. I believe they are likely to oppose one another, but I'd like to reread their statements to have a better grasp on that. My apologies to my comrades for failing to do better. I am not willing to apply a vote at this time."
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BottleKnight posted:I do not feel good about FL. I feel like even if he hasn't played a game with Keane, he's been around him. He knows Keane to be an eternal jokester. The clinical approach he takes to someone literally going BULLETPROOF in their post seems like fake content. It started off innocent enough but became a game of chicken scum couldn't stand to lose. BottleKnight posted:You didn't press me, to my knowledge. If you had, I probably would have answered you? If I missed you pressing me, please point it out and I will go back and answer for you. BK is posting very, very carefully. Basically, he's posting like me when I'm scum. The part I bolded is what stands out. It's a good way to get yourself going on pushing a case on a player you know is not scum. He doesn't feel good about FL, and then he continually does his best to rationalize it and then throws down a vote. I see the scum case for BK. Is it different/the same as how he usually plays? I don't remember playing with him before.
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peramene posted:"There is no way I'm going to be able to speak up 20+ times in the time before we've reached our deadline, and I have nothing of honest value to add. I suppose a little later I can try to make sense of some of these things, but right now it seems like a lot of you have prior experience with one another that neither I nor the investigation benefit from at all." I have a gut town read on pera. If she were scum, I think she'd be able to bounce ideas off her scumteam and be more active in trying to misdirect the vote. Her tone this game sounds like new town in a large game, trying to find cases but getting lost in all the text. Regarding the PR (post restriction) - I've only ever tried to play Mafia in-character once and I found that it made the game a lot lot harder to play. Not only do you have to keep up on what's going on (which can be tough), but you then have to figure out a way to communicate your thoughts and you don't want to make that hard if you don't have to. So now just pretend it's like an immunity challenge or t/d and answer these: (a) for the record, how much SA Mafia have you played before? (b) if you had an imaginary gun and had to shoot the scummiest person in the game, who would you target and why? (c) re-read over Tobbs - do you think he's telling the truth or lying? This might come off as me "mafia momming" but I like pera and can empathize with the feeling of jumping into a large game with a lot of regular players and feeling lost.
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this is a stickup posted:none of this your whole case against me is meta stuff. tobbs started hitting fl with again, meta stuff. keane's defense on his bp claim is agajn on his meta. tmm's case is about how he post like this in an old game. I don't think I'm wrong, but I'll gladly accept any proof that prove me wrong.
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this is a stickup posted:you could have saved all that time by just quoting ecco's vote count
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this is the right vote, i'm pretty sure ##unvote ##vote peramene
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Jan 12, 2017 20:01
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I liked that post!! rude group.
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Pinterest Mom posted:this is the right vote, i'm pretty sure r u a jester
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that post is a very clear statement of intent from pera that she's not going to give us anything useful or readable all game.
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Here PMOM, just fill in the blanks. [playername] is [doing/not doing] [thing] in a particularly [townie/scummy] way, and that is why I think [playername] is scum.
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peramene posted:My apologies to my comrades for failing to do better. I am not willing to apply a vote at this time." Throw votes around! It's the funnest part of the game. ##unvote ##vote peramene See?  For serious it's not personal, we all signed up knowing some % of us would be scum. By throwing votes around, it forces you to take a stance - if you're not willing to, it's seen as scummy.
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peramene posted:"I will reread BK in a little bit, and to be fair, reread MMT. I believe they are likely to oppose one another, but I'd like to reread their statements to have a better grasp on that. I mean, it's possible that she's not going to give the reads that she said she would after the analysis, which would look suspicious, but personally I'd wait a bit longer to see if she delivers.
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Tired Moritz posted:your whole case against me is meta stuff. tobbs started hitting fl with again, meta stuff. keane's defense on his bp claim is agajn on his meta. tmm's case is about how he post like this in an old game. my case against you is your posting is weird and bad, and you're insisting that this entire game is meta (it's not) so you can't post. it's possible to form your own opinions about things even when people are making meta cases. your position seems to be that it is impossible for you to do so, just like you were a scum player and trying to coast on everyone's cases. there is enough to debate going on in this game regardless of meta that you should have opinions on people. this is why pera's posting is really bad. you seem to have regressed a little bit towards what FL said about you, which, entertainingly, is meta. Flying Leatherman posted:I'm always weirded out by TM, Stickup. It's just that town TM feels scummy too, and the meta tell I've been able to use in the past is that he(?) feels a lot more disconnected and is less willing to make alignment calls when playing scum. That's not happening here. you literally just posted that you feel disconnected from the game because "it's all meta" (a) how do you have a solid town read on anyone at all this early in the game? and I'm going to steal mmt's questions: (b) if you had an imaginary gun and had to shoot the scummiest person in the game, who would you target and why? (c) re-read over Tobbs - do you think he's telling the truth or lying?
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Here PMOM, just fill in the blanks. It's weird that you're pushing this narrative on me when I've presented cases on SSV and moat in the last 24h.
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