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Doctor Butts posted:You stated that she is labeling dissent as racism. i'm going to concede every possible point to you if it will shut you the gently caress up.
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Invisible Handjob posted:if this is honestly the only place you have, in a mostly unrelated thread, as the most visible and influential admin on these forums, to talk to the ownership about the fact that an off-sites forum is stalking our membership, doxxing and harassing them irl, then that is very worrying. you need a bat / lowtax signal for that sort of poo poo
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm glad there's so much spirited discussion happening around questions of free speech and impartiality, but we just had to hide a thread because Kiwifarms members were using it to doxx and collect personal information on a bunch of our posters. I consider that a way bigger problem than the ongoing debate about D&D moderation. So if this is where we're having modding discussions now, I'm concerned about the fact that you and Lowtax have so wholeheartedly endorsed the site. I think encouraging people on SA to act more like a website that runs a wiki in which they have detailed every single moment of a person's life, down to the shirts he wears, and has entire forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing minorities online is a huge issue. A much bigger one than questions of mod bias, use of slurs on the site, how to handle political discussions in GBS, etc. We need to make it very, very clear that doxxing people, trying to dig up their information, or harassing them off SA isn't okay at all, and people who want to do that aren't welcome here. um
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Can I ask something honestly, LadyAmbien? Let's say you're running a forum that punishes people for doing something, calling thing X. Let's say you still don't really like X, but you've decided it's unfair to punish people harshly for it, so you're going to ease up. What do you think is the outcome of these two approaches: 1. Silently not punishing for them any more, letting thing X trickle around a bit because you're tolerating it, vs 2. Making a big announcement that X is okay now. The second thing leads to a huge influx of X that you still don't really like, whereas the first one does not. Whether that's posting while drunk, calling people "tranny" or mod sass, it's fine to relax the rule if that's what you want to do, but I think making a big announcement about it is the wrong way to go about that, as it ensures that the forums are awash with whatever that thing is.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I would love for Synthy to mod something but I know he would never ever say yes, so I've never asked. Here, let's be constructive. What are the qualities and values of a person, that in your opinion, would be a good fit for modding this forum? We've already got; impartial and non-partisan.
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Sorry, I'm very angry about Kiwifarms. I realize that it isn't somehow your fault because you liked some funny pictures they did.
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Who the gently caress tweets about D&D bullshit?
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VendaGoat posted:Here, let's be constructive. Lots of free time, either allergic towards alcohol or steel liver, doesnt make friends with online people basically what im saying is we need the living embodiment of a steel wool sponge
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Jan 12, 2017 20:33
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FluffieDuckie posted:this is important. we have a user posting unfounded pedophile accusations about another user across forums, including sending pms to that person's familiy and friends, and are asking lowtax to make it clear this isn't ok this is horrible and anyone who does this should be run off the forums. i hope the rear end in a top hat who's behind the accusations gets perma'd because the only way i'm interacting with him on these forums is to rear end in a top hat him
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Doctor Butts posted:Who the gently caress tweets about D&D bullshit? possibly the persons who;s married to the person running the forum and also involved in running the forum
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Neurolimal posted:Maybe over the table, sure. But like I said, there are weirdos who keep other weirdos informed that someone Said A Word so that they can screech them out of certain threads. On the other hand, some of us just remember memorable posters and there's not a weird conspiracy slack channel or whatever you think we have. I can remember that Matt Dizzle is a white supremacist, it's not hard to forget.
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Doctor Butts posted:Who the gently caress tweets about D&D bullshit? I'll give you a hint: https://twitter.com/ashleenkathli/status/819625648838889473
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Neurolimal posted:Lots of free time, either allergic towards alcohol or steel liver, doesnt make friends with online people Non-partisan, impartial, available, clear headed, aloof. Ok got a start. Anything else?
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FactsAreUseless posted:Sorry, I'm very angry about Kiwifarms. I realize that it isn't somehow your fault because you liked some funny pictures they did. jesus I hope I don't banned for this but lowtax, these are still your forums. I have been lurking since before my regdate, I've spent most of my life on your lovely creation. I know you're sick of this place, and I don't blame you. this thread does a fantastic job explaining why you would be sick of it. but please, be a little bit more involved to the point that this isn't the only way your main admin can get your attention. please, come back. we miss you.
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WampaLord posted:On the other hand, some of us just remember memorable posters and there's not a weird conspiracy slack channel or whatever you think we have. I can remember that Matt Dizzle is a white supremacist, it's not hard to forget. This is what i figured for a while but then i found out fishmech was involved and the only time anyone would willingly interact with fishmech outside of arguing is setting up spreadsheets or functional track systems
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It's a little rich that people are claiming that D&D is a racist hellhole, an environment that gave gfsincere his own thread, supported and bolstered him as he personally attacked posters on a regular basis, and still had users defending him and saying we should be listening to him after he claimed he was a highly skilled security specialist who had broken into the forums, had proof of a conspiracy to hold our CC information, and posted a business card with his full name, business phone number, and job title. To the point that even FAU, who was extremely patient and reasonable with him in all other venues, couldn't reason with that. And still people were defending him and claiming the mod team was in the wrong for banning him. That is echo-chambery as gently caress.
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Tolkien minority posted:possibly the persons who;s married to the person running the forum and also involved in running the forum I have no idea who the twitter handles are for, tbh. Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:The second thing leads to a huge influx of X that you still don't really like, whereas the first one does not. Whether that's posting while drunk, calling people "tranny" or mod sass, it's fine to relax the rule if that's what you want to do, but I think making a big announcement about it is the wrong way to go about that, as it ensures that the forums are awash with whatever that thing is. I agree.
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Doctor Butts posted:Who the gently caress tweets about D&D bullshit? a healthy lad, apparently
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This is funny because I think everyone knew if one of the more known, dare I say regular, black posters was gonna be mod it was probably gonna be KM. Terrific Accident posted:It's a little rich that people are claiming that D&D is a racist hellhole I don't think that's what's happening.
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Neurolimal posted:Lots of free time, either allergic towards alcohol or steel liver, doesnt make friends with online people
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LadyAmbien posted:You are all seriously proving my point here and it's hilarious. Different opinion = automatic racist. mdemone posted:Three examples from Leper's Colony, please. I'm not being glib. If this is a problem big enough to warrant a D&D sticky, then it should be trivial to find examples of exactly the thing LadyAmbien is concerned about. It would also help everyone here crystallize the argument around specific types of posts as opposed to everyone projecting their own opinions onto the thread, which is what's happening right now and will continue to happen until concrete examples of Bad Probations are cited.
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Apraxin posted:Based on his CSPAM posts, I think you've just described Baloogan. Hey! We got a name! Any other nominations?
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:this is horrible and anyone who does this should be run off the forums. i hope the rear end in a top hat who's behind the accusations gets perma'd because the only way i'm interacting with him on these forums is to rear end in a top hat him Invisible Handjob posted:I know you're sick of this place, and I don't blame you. this thread does a fantastic job explaining why you would be sick of it. but please, be a little bit more involved to the point that this isn't the only way your main admin can get your attention.
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Make all the regulars in D&D, mods. Bet the problem would fix itself real quick like then.
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Nevvy Z posted:This is funny because I think everyone knew if one of the more known, dare I say regular, black posters was gonna be mod it was probably gonna be KM. I know, right?
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Nevvy Z posted:This is funny because I think everyone knew if one of the more known, dare I say regular, black posters was gonna be mod it was probably gonna be KM. Yeah. There was a post or two about tiny brontosaurus and a few people I know endorsed bg32, but the runaway rec was koala's march.
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mdemone posted:I'm not being glib. If this is a problem big enough to warrant a D&D sticky, then it should be trivial to find examples of exactly the thing LadyAmbien is concerned about. It doesn't bother me much, I actually like Absurd Alhazred as a mod, and it happened pre-KM, but some people are a little cheesed about me getting probed apparently, that might be a good place to start vOv e: for clarification, not a callout or to incite drama: quote:like the one where someone shamed you because growing up living in your car was an undeserved white privilege and then you got a three day probation and a homophobic avatar out of it Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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FluffieDuckie posted:this is important. we have a user posting unfounded pedophile accusations about another user across forums, including sending pms to that person's familiy and friends, and are asking lowtax to make it clear this isn't ok just wanna second this sentiment. looking at weird & crazy stuff is a big draw about what makes SA an interesting place for some of us, but doxxing and stuff like the recent pedo-accusation of someone based on nothing else than a screenshot of their custom title is way over the line. kiwifarms is a real lovely example of how looking at weird & crazy stuff makes for a community that turns into something just as bad, if not worse, than what they are making fun of.
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As exciting as it is going to be to read a bunch of rules-lawyering about why "lmao all homos should die of AIDS" is not in fact extreme enough to fall afoul of the new 'almost anything goes' rule, maybe we could revisit the huge announcement about how blanket hatred based on gender/race/whatever is cool and good as long as it isn't too bad, whatever that means?
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yeah liz wiz has been nothing but a kind dude and making those accusations and then running away when asked for proof is gross
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Chelb posted:Yeah. There was a post or two about tiny brontosaurus and a few people I know endorsed bg32, but the runaway rec was koala's march. if a thread or forum is so hosed up that it needs to have a mod installed, the contributors in that thread/forum who made it totally lovely are probably not the best people for recommendations
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Beet Wagon posted:As exciting as it is going to be to read a bunch of rules-lawyering about why "lmao all homos should die of AIDS" is not in fact extreme enough to fall afoul of the new 'almost anything goes' rule, maybe we could revisit the huge announcement about how blanket hatred based on gender/race/whatever is cool and good as long as it isn't too bad, whatever that means? Look! An example of someone calling her a racist!
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Beet Wagon posted:As exciting as it is going to be to read a bunch of rules-lawyering about why "lmao all homos should die of AIDS" is not in fact extreme enough to fall afoul of the new 'almost anything goes' rule, maybe we could revisit the huge announcement about how blanket hatred based on gender/race/whatever is cool and good as long as it isn't too bad, whatever that means? if it gets emptyquoted at least 6 times or at least 10 posters say lol, lmao, or lmbo, the hateful post is good
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id like to request a clarification regarding the verbiage "especially extreme" because ive got a thread idea percolating here, but im not sure if a discussion on my sincere belief that Armenians can astrally project into peoples dreams to steal their bank information is protected under this new rubric
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VendaGoat posted:Here, let's be constructive. - Knowledgeable about political subjects and current events. This is one reason why D&D has more non-American mods than most of the forums. It's got threads that deal with current events and political issues all over the world in a huge amount of detail, and no mod is going to be familiar with all those issues. - Able to understand the complexities of internet debate. I mean things like how threads can be derailed, how hiveminds and groupthink happen, all the ways a political thread can be trolled and disrupted, whether someone is arguing in good faith, etc. This one is the reason I don't like to do much modding in D&D. - Able to participate in discussions in a good way, and balance that with modding them. Mods in every forum participate in the threads. They just have to. Obviously this gets tricky when you're talking about political debate. People care a lot about their political views, especially because, more than anything else on this site, it affects people's real lives. So the ability to be part of an argument, then step away and still moderate well, is important. And that also means hitting your friends and allies when they step out of line. I am very bad at this, and it's a super hard thing to learn to do.
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I believe the entire purpose of this thread was to point out that a forum called "Debate and Discuss" should be *more* lenient with free speech, as opposed to more intolerant. I do not believe anything said was to be interpreted as "we are racists and want more racists." It's kind of the exact opposite. Listen, everybody is so quick to label everybody else. I'm accused of being alt right by the left, and a SJW by the alt right. Does one accusation have to be correct? No. Instantly labeling people, particularly as racists, is not conductive to either debate not discussion. Does me saying that make me racist? Also I have no idea what the assertion is that I now encourage people to dox or harass people, I do not recall ever saying or inferring anything like that. It's another example of you're either with us or you're with them think. There are not just two groups of people with two different ideas in the world, and reducing discussion to that is ridiculous.
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FactsAreUseless posted:We don't want a "mods knew" situation on our hands where we ban the wrong person, so nobody has been banned yet on any side until there's a fair chance for us to see some evidence. It frustrated me, though. the way the guy levelled the accusations and then used a screengrab of some red text that he'd bought the person he was accusing should have earned him a long probation while you had a think about it. The thread where he did that is definitely being watched by kiwifarms and the accusation alone could be enough to get them digging, which isn't a fair thing to subject anyone to unless that person is legit horrible. E: I understand the "mods knew" poo poo though, it'd suck to be on the wrong side of this but the accuser didn't come up with any evidence or at least none he posted openly
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