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Carbon dioxide posted:What the hell do you people do with recruiters trying to become LinkedIn connections? I feel like accepting them is just asking for spam, especially because I heard they mostly find you underpaid temp jobs. But I wonder if refusing/ignoring them could hurt my chances in the future. Unless they're sending you garbage, accept them. That's their job, they want to develop a list of contacts that they can reach out to for jobs.
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Carbon dioxide posted:What the hell do you people do with recruiters trying to become LinkedIn connections? I feel like accepting them is just asking for spam, especially because I heard they mostly find you underpaid temp jobs. But I wonder if refusing/ignoring them could hurt my chances in the future.
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I always accept. Never had much of a spam issue from linked in either
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Walked posted:I always accept. Never had much of a spam issue from linked in either Same. And I got my current job through a LI recruiter.
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LochNessMonster posted:Same. And I got my current job through a LI recruiter. Same here. Updated my profile in November, 4 interview invites since and I started in the present place in 15th January.
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Jan 29, 2017 22:14
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I stopped doing it. Everytime one position opens up somewhere nearby I'll get a few connects on it and I can't be assed anymore. 
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Jan 30, 2017 04:02
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tonight my gal and I (after almost giving up due to difficulty) ended up hoisting a queen mattress and bedframe into a loft using a ream of cat6 shielded cable. sysadmin for lyfe, do the loving needful
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This is fine, you can keep your IT card, as long as you don't try to use it as a networking cable ever again.
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mindphlux posted:tonight my gal and I (after almost giving up due to difficulty) ended up hoisting a queen mattress and bedframe into a loft using a ream of cat6 shielded cable. Whoever suggested rope does not have a tech background
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Internet Explorer posted:This is fine, you can keep your IT card, as long as you don't try to use it as a networking cable ever again. already terminated it and installed it in a client's production server rack.
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What's the soonest you've started to feel burnt out on a job? I got a  at a colocation business in December. No red flags during initial contact, interview went fine with no bullshit, got put on a very short list for my experience making a thin client architecture from scratch. Everything was fine until after my two-week assessment; I saw the list of things I was supposed to have been tested on, and almost shat my pants. The tl;dr is that they want me to pass the Microsoft 70-410 within three months of hiring, while also learning both CentOS and Debian, massively detailed knowledge of networking, and scripting in at least three programming languages. All at the same time. For $30,000 per year (before taxes).If it was just the hard work I wouldn't necessarily have a problem, but learning all this is going to prohibit me from doing what I love, which is being a hardware expert. There are no hardware decisions to be made in this company since they bulk buy everything and have very limited choices in what kind of server you can have, and my other interest in virtualization is not happening because it will take at least 18 months before I'm allowed into the back end of that. It hasn't even been two months and I'm already feeling like it's difficult to go on. I'm being pulled in literally every conceivable direction and it's implied I'm going to be fired if I can't keep the pace they want. My question for the thread is, how normal is this? How boned am I? RyuHimora fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jan 30, 2017 |
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Jan 30, 2017 09:54
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RyuHimora posted:What's the soonest you've started to feel burnt out on a job?  That sounds insane! Surely they have a plan to get you on that level?
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I don't quite follow. These are just things you're  supposed to know? What's the work been like for the last few weeks, how many of the things listed have been relevant to what you're doing so far?Virtualization is definitely cool, but so is networking and Linux. Virtualization is kind of a meta skill anyway, it incorporates all of the other skills you've listed. It does seems weird to me that virtualization would be explicitly excluded from your otherwise broad scope of work. You're always welcome to ask questions here or in one of the other IT threads. Someone will be able to help you if you're feeling stuck. As to feeling threatened that you'll be fired, please just remember that they're putting in a non-trivial investment into bringing you on in the first place. They want you to succeed and it would be stupid of them to cut that short. I've had 3 jobs now in the last couple years and I've felt extremely stressed out in the beginning of all of them. I'll definitely feel the same way at the next one. It can absolutely be intimidating to be thrown into the deep-end. Hang in there man, I believe in you. No reason to believe you're boned yet 
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Jan 30, 2017 10:18
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For $30,000 being passable at any one of those skills would demand a massive raise.
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We just hired a guy for 53k who can't do any of that whatsoever and there's no pressure on him to become great at any of them. Did you take a job at rogue beer company?
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Jan 30, 2017 13:33
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Yeah that's an insane ask at 30k even if you're not at a major city 
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Jan 30, 2017 13:55
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Yeah holy poo poo we hire basically fresh nerds with zero real world experience short of a 2 year IT type degree and maybe building personal systems, at 38k a year.... and this is a lovely poor town in the rust-belt where you can buy a small decent livable house for 50k. You're getting screwed.
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If they're happy to train you, give you time to lab and then take and pass the exams then do that and get out. But it sounds like they aren't fussed about actually letting you achieve those goals.
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Jan 30, 2017 14:37
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RyuHimora posted:What's the soonest you've started to feel burnt out on a job? Get. The. gently caress. Out. Of. There. Modulo16 fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 30, 2017 |
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air- posted:There's a ton of good online vendors, but elaborating on what else are you looking to learn would help narrow down ideas. oh, yeah. Sorry. Stuff relevant to my job, and my weakest areas would be networking and virtualization, and I have an interest in Security. ETA: I am currently studying for the CompTIA network, then I'm gonna do Security+, but, well, you know. Internet Explorer posted:At the very least see if they'll spring for a CBTNuggets account for you guys. I'll see after my first month. My boss sorta chuckled and said "Maybe focus on the new position for a month" when I brought up textbook reimbursement before. Sorry bossman, too much enthusiasm for the moment. Bunni-kat fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jan 30, 2017 |
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Jan 30, 2017 17:13
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RyuHimora posted:What's the soonest you've started to feel burnt out on a job? I can't explain how completely you're being robbed, but you are. Without knowing any of that poo poo, that's a 48-55k job. What's your actual title? To answer your questions: Incredibly abnormal to the point of being insane. Second question: You're totally boned, gtfo.
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mindphlux posted:tonight my gal and I (after almost giving up due to difficulty) ended up hoisting a queen mattress and bedframe into a loft using a ream of cat6 shielded cable.
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mindphlux posted:already terminated it and installed it in a client's production server rack. you're my IT hero
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Sefal posted:That sounds insane! Surely they have a plan to get you on that level? Methanar posted:I don't quite follow. These are just things you're Thanks Ants posted:But it sounds like they aren't fussed about actually letting you achieve those goals. The "plan" is for me to pass the 70-410 after 12 weeks. From my previous windows experience, I'm already passing a little more than half the practice exam questions, so that's not what I'm worried about. The problem is that I'm apparently expected to train myself on all of this stuff in addition to studying and working on cases. I work evening shift (3 PM to midnight), and I was hired as the fourth person so that there wouldn't be nights with only two people on duty, but they just moved the shift lead to days, so now it's just me and one other person except for one day a week. The internal wiki is not complete and has a poo poo search algorithm, so it's not even easy to look up what I need to know, if it exists at all. The entire onboarding process has been a shitshow, in retrospect. alg posted:For $30,000 being passable at any one of those skills would demand a massive raise. Sepist posted:We just hired a guy for 53k who can't do any of that whatsoever and there's no pressure on him to become great at any of them. Did you take a job at rogue beer company? air- posted:Yeah that's an insane ask at 30k even if you're not at a major city Nerdrock posted:You're getting screwed. Supposedly once I'm done training I'll be getting a raise... of $0.50 per hour. Thinking about it now, that should have been a red flag. I don't know what the turnover rate here is, but apparently people haven't been quitting, so I'm not sure what's going on there. I was also told that the only reason I started as high as 30k per year is because of my previous experience, so it's possible the other people in my hiring group aren't being paid even that much. I should point out that this is my first job that wasn't provided by a family member, so I was not in the best negotiating position. DigitalMocking posted:What's your actual title? Junior Network Administrator. But the duties I'm performing are anything but 'junior'.
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RyuHimora posted:The problem is that I'm apparently expected to train myself on all of this stuff in addition to studying and working on cases. Just learn it at the rate you need to to complete the cases. If you've got someone with a NAT issue, then that's a great time to learn NAT!
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RyuHimora posted:Junior Network Administrator. But the duties I'm performing are anything but 'junior'. If you're not obligated to pay them back after doing those courses/certs,  That sort of misery is never worth it. Avenging_Mikon posted:oh, yeah. Sorry. Stuff relevant to my job, and my weakest areas would be networking and virtualization, and I have an interest in Security. Besides CBTNuggets, I have access to a buddy's IT Pro TV account and it's not bad too.
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RyuHimora posted:Supposedly once I'm done training I'll be getting a raise... of $0.50 per hour. Thinking about it now, that should have been a red flag. I don't know what the turnover rate here is, but apparently people haven't been quitting, so I'm not sure what's going on there. I was also told that the only reason I started as high as 30k per year is because of my previous experience, so it's possible the other people in my hiring group aren't being paid even that much. I should point out that this is my first job that wasn't provided by a family member, so I was not in the best negotiating position. Leave. ASAP.
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RyuHimora posted:
I really hope you live in bum gently caress no where because 30k for that job is crazy. We start our help desk idiots who only answer phones and enter tickets at almost 40k.
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RyuHimora posted:Supposedly once I'm done training I'll be getting a raise... of $0.50 per hour. Omfg leave
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MiniFoo posted:Leave. ASAP. Seriously, get the gently caress out of there as fast as possible. It is not a healthy work environment. Even if you were willing to accept this amount of money and being asked to do this amount of work, there will always be something there to gently caress you over.
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Raises in IT should be specified in 4 figure increments on salary. Raises in per hour format tells me the employer doesn't care about me long-term.
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mattfl posted:I really hope you live in bum gently caress no where San Diego, California. 
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RyuHimora posted:San Diego, California. Get the gently caress outta here? Seriously?! You need to leave, like right the gently caress now.
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RyuHimora posted:San Diego, California. Dude I'm not even a yankee doodle boy like you and I know that's hosed up.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Dude I'm not even a yankee doodle boy like you and I know that's hosed up.
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Sepist posted:I stopped doing it. Everytime one position opens up somewhere nearby I'll get a few connects on it and I can't be assed anymore. People can send you messages about a job without having to connect first, well at least maybe if they are paying for LinkedIn Live Gold+ Season Pass or whatever its called. I will add someone after I talk to them on the phone or if I know the company they are working for is good. I'm getting pushed out now from a job I wanted to leave. Would have liked to find new employment first, but management decided to just handle it as a down sizing. They hired some new manager which freed up my old one for doing more technical work and less meetings and wrangling. Both are technical anyway, and half my work went to a guy they hired 6 or so months ago before the re-org. So basically no choice now. At least I'll have time for job hunting but I hate things being up in the air, and interviewing sucks. I'm having mixed feelings, like tired of dealing with this garbage but also not looking forward to uncertainty. At least I have money saved up and my state has good unemployment insurance.
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air- posted:
Both are now noted and ready to spring on my boss, because holy poo poo there's a training budget, and I'm gonna use the hell out of it.
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$30,000 in San Diego? Is that even enough to afford to breathe?
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RyuHimora posted:San Diego, California. Holy gently caress NO. Run like hell  I have a buddy in Prague with more experience and he gets paid a slight bit than you. Plus considering the far lower cost of living there + all the other perks of working in Europe... jesus gently caress.
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RyuHimora posted:San Diego, California. dude 30k in san diego is highway robbery RyuHimora posted:I was also told that the only reason I started as high as 30k per year is because of my previous experience, so it's possible the other people in my hiring group aren't being paid even that much. that was almost certainly a lie
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