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mariooncrack posted:I just started training BJJ last week. I found a nice, inviting gym and I'm having a ton of fun. My legs have been sore the day after a class and I'm not very flexible. Are there any stretches that you guys can recommend that might help to prevent the soreness and help with the flexibility? It's mostly my calves and my hips that are the most sore. Congrats and welcome. Flexibility will come with time, you're gonna be sore for a bit too because your body is working in ways it's really unaccustomed to. Epson salt baths help. As for stretches, I'm partial to runner's lungers and S mount stretches
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Are there any common BJJ techniques that don't exist in a typical Judo syllabus? And conversely are there Judo ground techniques that you wouldn't see in BJJ?
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Subyng posted:Are there any common BJJ techniques that don't exist in a typical Judo syllabus? And conversely are there Judo ground techniques that you wouldn't see in BJJ? Many judo techniques you will see in BJJ since there's a lot of overlap, but some techniques aren't so common like the judo flat turtle position (which is mainly for stalling until you're stood back up) and attacks to counter the judo flat turtle position. I'd say that judo ground techniques are very fundamental compared to BJJ, due to judo's olympic ruleset to favour stand up fighting and BJJ evolving the ground game so much over the years.
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Bangkero posted:no attacks to the shoulders. Like Americana or Kimura? Can you tell me more about positional differences?
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Subyng posted:Like Americana or Kimura? Positional differences in newaza? That's a lot of information - what do you want to know? In a nutshell you want to work to get to an advantageous position for the pin or submission. A good beginner book to read is Stephan Kesting's roadmap for BJJ book: http://www.grapplearts.com/bjj-books/ . It outlines the hierarchy of positions. Did you try out the judo classes already? How'd you like it?
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Subyng posted:Can you tell me more about positional differences? The major positions are largely the same, but they're used to achieve different goals. The turtle position, for example, is a strong defensive position in judo, while bjj players tend to use it as a transitional position and they try not to stay there long. Learning one won't damage your understanding of the other, if that's what you're worried about. They're quite complimentary.
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To expand on the "flat turtle" opening, the judo techniques which don't exist or at least which don't get taught much* in BJJ are the explosive newaza types of attacks/escapes. The principle of position before submission doesn't work in judo comp rules because a) you have like 10 seconds to get something going, b) the refs will stand you up even from spiderweb if it looks stalled, and c) if you're on the bottom you have 20 seconds to get out. So most of the judo ground escapes and turnovers are explosive techniques with deep bridging, which BJJ with its "Cook" and "Control" ethos won't do. Judo's hands-on-face rules are much stricter, meaning that many BJJ escapes and strangle setups won't work in judo, either. *The judo textbooks contain most of the footlocks spine cranks and stuff, but they're so illegal in competition that you'll never see them in a class.
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Are there any good websites that I can read up on BJJ techniques, scoring, etc. that you all would recommend? After three? weeks of it I'm getting my own gi and looking to take it more seriously. e: youtube channels would work too boy are my arms tired fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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boy are my arms tired posted:Are there any good websites that I can read up on BJJ techniques, scoring, etc. that you all would recommend? http://www.grapplearts.com/
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Feb 8, 2017 21:18
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love this website already, thanks!
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JaySB posted:Wait are you trying to defend Aikido? Yep, Aikido is the bestest (ok not). You go hard some times, you go easy other times. And that would be most of the time. The worst thing ever for a beginner is running on "rails" trying to throw massive hooks or kicks.
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Bangkero posted:
Yep, I'm having a lot of fun! I did jiu jitsu before so I'm already familiar with the techniques so far. I also joined a BJJ gym. Enjoying that as well, although to be honest the "bro" culture of it doesn't really vibe with me, although I'm not sure if this a product of the specific gym I'm training at. Subyng fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Subyng posted:
It varies from gym to gym. The gym I go to is owned by a nerd who has a pretty big knowledge of comic book movies and thinks that the New Jedi Order was the best EU books for starwars(They're not). As such the gym attracts some pretty chill grapple nerds and bros.
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Subyng posted:
It varies completely from gym to gym, I've trained at what felt like a chess/DnD Club all the way through to a place where I was genuinely scared of everyone in the place because half were on tag and the other half were drug dealers, with the odd pro fighter mixed in, all trying to kill each other seemingly.
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Subyng posted:Yep, I'm having a lot of fun! I did jiu jitsu before so I'm already familiar with the techniques so far. Very much varies, even within affiliations.
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Subyng posted:I also joined a BJJ gym. Enjoying that as well, although to be honest the "bro" culture of it doesn't really vibe with me, although I'm not sure if this a product of the specific gym I'm training at. I had a similar issue at my last gym. I wrongfully assumed that it was gonna be like a TMA class with the stinky fat guys, the spiritual ponytail guys, and nervous old guys with serious competitors mixed in. I also wrongfully assumed that everyone cared about each other's growth for the sake of the competition team. But it was all a big high school bro-jock egotistical atmosphere. I was a passive-aggressively bullied a lot. After about 4 months I could hold my own against the blue belts and only get tapped a few times by the purples. I guess they didn't like that and would often stop and scold me while rolling for not doing what they thought I should be doing. Even chiming in on my matches with other whitebelts to give authoritative advice that usually didn't help or in one case caused me to go from escaping a triangle to getting tapped by said triangle. But I stupidly let them get to me and deferred to their 'wisdom' and started performing worse because my confidence was broken and would lose focus while rolling. Half me constantly second guessing myself, half worried that someone was going to criticize me. I'm sharing this as a reminder of the golden rule: if you don't feel comfortable there, gtfo immediately.
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Subyng posted:Yep, I'm having a lot of fun! I did jiu jitsu before so I'm already familiar with the techniques so far. Nice, great to hear you're enjoying it. I did TJJ and made the switch to judo since it's one thing to know the techniques and another to know how to apply it in randori. Both BJJ and Judo totally compliment each other but I really recommend you try other BJJ schools before committing to one. There are so many good schools in Toronto that you're bound to find one that you vibe with. Keep the thread posted!
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I dunno anything about this school but I've seen some of Elliot Bayev's videos and he does not strike me as "bro" at all so maybe try here? http://www.openmat.ca
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Well, it's all relative of course. I've not had any real issues so far, it's just kind of a slight personality clash. And honestly I've been trying to learn how to mesh better with different kinds of people so I'm sure as I continue to train I'll feel more comfortable. I'm only on a free trial at this gym so I'm definitely going to check out Open Mat afterwards.
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Anyone here ever get into judo kata? I've been watching a few this afternoon (because I need to be able to do Nage no Kata's first three sets reasonably well for my next promotion).
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What can I do when someone is trying to pass my open guard, but I'm blocking them with one knee on their belly? I find myself in this situation a lot and it seems pretty trivial for the opponent to just push my legs away or spin around, and when they're sinking their weight down on my leg I kind of feel stuck.
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Put your legs elsewhere
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Where? Seems like between me and them is the best place for them to be.
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Well either keep them to yourself, so they can't use them to pass, or place them on your opponent's hips / inner knees. Use them to keep your partner at bay. Your knee on their stomach makes it easy for them to control your leg and move it.
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Subyng posted:What can I do when someone is trying to pass my open guard, but I'm blocking them with one knee on their belly? I find myself in this situation a lot and it seems pretty trivial for the opponent to just push my legs away or spin around, and when they're sinking their weight down on my leg I kind of feel stuck. Knee shield half guard... Or start doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBmPIEn92CI Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me6AZuicrpc JaySB fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Yeah the jock/bro culture is really annoying at first as a new mma gym member. Nobody even wants to drop acid in the locker room or go to the women's march, they're insufferable. Thankfully there seems to be more women than men at my gym and they are much less annoying. I don't think I get to hang out in that locker room though.
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Subyng posted:What can I do when someone is trying to pass my open guard, but I'm blocking them with one knee on their belly? I find myself in this situation a lot and it seems pretty trivial for the opponent to just push my legs away or spin around, and when they're sinking their weight down on my leg I kind of feel stuck. Vids that JaySB posted are good. It's not really a spot where you can sit and wait for them to take initiative from. Playing guard is an active process; it's not just stopping them from passing, it's also them stopping you from improving position, too. Pryor on Fire posted:Yeah the jock/bro culture is really annoying at first as a new mma gym member. Nobody even wants to drop acid in the locker room or go to the women's march, they're insufferable. Thankfully there seems to be more women than men at my gym and they are much less annoying. I don't think I get to hang out in that locker room though. My gym is pretty chill. The worst thing that can happen is if one of the two Trump supporters will corner you in the locker room and ask if you believe in "family values."
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I posted my 1st BJJ tournament as a 37 year old white belt in the Grappling thread in Rowdy Ringsports, if anyone is interested. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3386441&pagenumber=272#lastpost
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CommonShore posted:Anyone here ever get into judo kata? I've been watching a few this afternoon (because I need to be able to do Nage no Kata's first three sets reasonably well for my next promotion). It's been a little while but I was working on Nage no kata before the Judo class I was at dissolved. It was not my favorite part of class. Did you have a specific question about it? (not sure that I could answer it, if I remember correctly there are a couple dudes in the grappling thread with Judo experience)
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n3rdal3rt posted:It's been a little while but I was working on Nage no kata before the Judo class I was at dissolved. It was not my favorite part of class. Did you have a specific question about it? (not sure that I could answer it, if I remember correctly there are a couple dudes in the grappling thread with Judo experience) Oh I don't have a specific question. I was just wondering if anyone was interested enough to talk about it in any way, because the more I practice/watch Judo kata, the more that I find it kinda neat - like participating in a living, demonstrative textbook or something. I'm not going to pretend that it's anything but demonstration in itself, but when I've started to contemplate the finer and exaggerated details of the kata, I've learned new things about the throws which have actually translated back to randori and resisting opponents. For those unfamiliar with Judo kata, they actually involve a partner and real thumps, and thus there's more to them than the bullshido-style shouty karate kata. The first 9 techniques (18 throws) in this one are what I'm working on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qe_JKQjJTA in before all of you kata nerds point out that this one was film from the rear angle Nage no Kata is the Kata that needs to be demonstrated at a high level for the first two degrees of a judo black belt - hand, hip, and foot techniques for first degree, and then the two sets of sacrifice techniques for second. Katame no kata - the groundwork kata - is required for third degree, and it shows a bunch of holds and submissions, with entries, setups, and ways of preventing uke from escaping. It includes Judo's only significant leg lock technique (it's basically just the ashi position) 
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Did some MMA rounds for the first time in a while. Jesus christ I need to get in better shape than BJJ requires.
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Kekekela posted:Did some MMA rounds for the first time in a while. Jesus christ I need to get in better shape than BJJ requires. Wrestle, from standing
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Also box.
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In fact, box and wrestle at the same time.
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Bangkero posted:In fact, box and wrestle at the same time. Maybe I can mix those with the martial art of BJJ also.
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CommonShore posted:Oh I don't have a specific question. I was just wondering if anyone was interested enough to talk about it in any way, because the more I practice/watch Judo kata, the more that I find it kinda neat - like participating in a living, demonstrative textbook or something. I'm not going to pretend that it's anything but demonstration in itself, but when I've started to contemplate the finer and exaggerated details of the kata, I've learned new things about the throws which have actually translated back to randori and resisting opponents. There is definitely stuff to learn from the kata and I think it's neat to have something that standardized in a grappling art. Judo is supposed to be the same everywhere but there is always little differences in the way individual judoka like to setup or finish throws. Ideally the kata are the same everywhere which can't honestly be said for karate kata. Its a fun connection back to the OGs.
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n3rdal3rt posted:There is definitely stuff to learn from the kata and I think it's neat to have something that standardized in a grappling art. Judo is supposed to be the same everywhere but there is always little differences in the way individual judoka like to setup or finish throws. Ideally the kata are the same everywhere which can't honestly be said for karate kata. Its a fun connection back to the OGs. Last night I was talking to my instructor about this. He noted that all of the instructional documentation for Katame no Kata says "tori applies the hold; uke attempts three escapes," without specifying any escapes, but that in practice there are three specific escapes that uke is supposed to attempt. That little unwritten bit is the actual "connection back to the OGs"
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ImplicitAssembler posted:My main martial art is kendo and my opinion is that realistic sparring with weapons is impossible. You can simulate parts of it, possibly all the various parts, but you cannot do all the parts combined. It's simply too dangerous, which is why koryu's such as Katori Shinto Ryu, etc was 'invented'. Obviously the main purpose of those arts have changed. There's no 'need' to learn to use a sword, so people do it as a hobby and as tool for self-development. I can almost gaurantee you there is nothing more 'deadly' in your koryu than any of the western sword forms, and those are at this point a solved problem from the direction of making live sparring work. A form which cannot be trained against a resisting opponent is historically useless, because it leaves a student one chance to get it right in actual combat or die trying. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Sword combat is a solved problem in general.
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Siivola posted:Sword combat is a solved problem in general. That gif is also relevant to Akido.
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