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Finally saw this. I get the recontextualization of most actions by the twist, but what was the point behind the gardener running at Chris in the backyard at night?
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Pirate Jet posted:Finally saw this. I get the recontextualization of most actions by the twist, but what was the point behind the gardener running at Chris in the backyard at night? Grandpa Brainchanger was just enjoying being able to run super fast like he used to.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:18
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Pirate Jet posted:Finally saw this. I get the recontextualization of most actions by the twist, but what was the point behind the gardener running at Chris in the backyard at night? The Grandfather who never got over losing to Jessie Owens. He wasn't running at Chris. He was just running around at night because that's the reason he wanted the black body in the first place.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:57
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MisterBibs posted:Grandpa Brainchanger was just enjoying being able to run super fast like he used to. Yeah it's basically the novelty of being inside of a body that's not your own and having youthful energy and looks. It's why Georgina just stands and stares in the mirror while combing her hair. That and of course the objectification and fetishization of "blackness".
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Mar 13, 2017 22:59
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Interesting that this makes me think you did not see the movie. I understand what he's trying to get at but I didn't really see this at all in how the grandparents behave. They only really act like servants when the family is trying to be "normal" around Chris (which is most of the movie of course), but I feel like we see enough of them otherwise and learn enough about how the surgery works that I got the impression this isn't how they or the family would act when they aren't luring a new a new victim in. You could say being reduced to a live-in chef and maid is why the grandma and not the victim whose body she took is crying, but to me saying that also says that the original victim's mind is 100% gone when we know from how the process works that this isn't the case. Otherwise the situation with Andre, the grandpa at the end, etc. would have probably played out very differently. I didn't see Chris' conversation with Stephen Root's character as him having an irrational breakdown about selling out either. He's relieved at first because he thinks he's found someone he can have an actual conversation, almost genuinely enthusiastic that he has someone else in the arts to talk with. This part of that post in particular: "Chris sincerely believes that 'selling out' in the photography world is as bad as getting Trayvon Martin'd. Of course he's being blinkered and self-important." I didn't get this at all from the character. Rod is a TSA employee, his job in theory is extremely important, but in reality we see studies about how the TSA is all smoke and mirrors, and we see how Rod, being a "mere" TSA employee, isn't taken seriously by the NYPD despite spelling out a very serious conspiracy he thinks is going on not just because his friend is missing but because of what he's learned from him, he has actual information and dots connected beyond just "people are acting weird." I got more of a classist vibe out of that than from anything else in the movie. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 22:59
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Hat Thoughts posted:By Chris "selling out" do u mean that Stephen Root (being an admittedly talentless photographer but wealthy/succesful art dealer) taking him over would suggest that he became a white wealthy talentless guy? In the logic of the film, he would literally have the brain of a white person, losing his talent in the process. Chris believes, to some extent, that his talent comes from his blackness. It's important to keep in mind the photographs in those early scenes. It's fairly generic 'urban' imagery: a pigeon flying between skyscrapers, a chained pitbull in front of a brick wall, a vulnerable child on a city sidewalk.... Chris fears that, in making too much money, he will lose the ability to capture these things. Moreover, he would be producing inauthentic images for 'the man'. The truth is, of course, that Chris was 'a sellout' from the beginning, making his modest success with palatable images of children and animals. Like, those are what he uses to convey 'the black experience': children and animals. Think about that for a second. Chris absolutely doesn't fear going unrecognized or unappreciated - white liberals eat this stuff up. What he's afraid of being embraced by the wrong people and, moreover, that he will like it.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:36
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nevermind. nothing matters.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:38
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In the logic of the film, he would literally have the brain of a white person, losing his talent in the process. Chris believes, to some extent, that his talent comes from his blackness. He is already taking the same photos as the (white) urban poverty photographer from Midnight Meat Train. And his fear is that he will ultimately have the same fate - to be an internalized, silenced part of the system, and that he will volunteer for it. He's scared that wants to be a middle class white guy, which is like THE central anxiety of artists under capitalism, regardless of race. Darko posted:I know white (and hispanic) "liberals" who saw the movie and don't get it at all. I had one guy talk about how great it was to me...and then explain the movie and point of the movie sounding exactly like Rose's brother. I just made a Chris face when it happened. Would you mind giving some detail here?
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Mar 13, 2017 23:58
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Groovelord Neato posted:nevermind. nothing matters. this is my favorite reading
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Mar 14, 2017 00:53
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The truth is, of course, that Chris was 'a sellout' from the beginning, making his modest success with palatable images of children and animals. Like, those are what he uses to convey 'the black experience': children and animals. Think about that for a second. Chris is black; ipso facto, his photography is about 'the black experience.' Cool cool cool. Great point. Your entire reading involves essentializing blackness.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:02
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Lurdiak posted:Nah, it's when Chris goes out to get a smoke in the middle of the night and Georgina(I think) is seen wandering the halls behind him. There's an incredibly loud musical sting that made the entire row in front of me jump even though it's just a silhouette going by. It felt pretty cheap. This scared the gently caress out of me
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Mar 14, 2017 01:08
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it must suck watching a movie and not realizing that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:31
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Groovelord Neato posted:it must suck watching a movie and not realizing that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. why?
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Mar 14, 2017 02:25
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What would be the cigar in this case.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:33
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Dexo posted:The Grandfather who never got over losing to Jessie Owens. He wasn't running at Chris. He was just running around at night because that's the reason he wanted the black body in the first place. Holy poo poo I don't know how I missed this, that's outstanding.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:27
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:What would be the cigar in this case. Racism. The not-cigar is "racism isn't real; only class struggle exists because I'm a crude Marxist from a century ago"
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Mar 14, 2017 03:54
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i am the bird posted:Chris is black; ipso facto, his photography is about 'the black experience.' Cool cool cool. Great point. No, the film itself is doing that. My oppositional reading of the film follows two steps. The first is to highlight the subjective nature of the events. The sunken place is not real; it is a nightmare hallucination where Chris imagines himself reduced to a disembodied gaze while his mind 'turns white'. Chris himself believes in this ineradicable black essence, the source of his power, which is synonymous from the 'eye' that Root wishes to obtain. The second step is to point out that Chris is wrong. There is no essence that's being repressed; he simply imagines it. The fear of 'turning mentally white' is actually his fear of becoming upper-class, being embraced by these lame old people. Put together: the film is about a mediocre artist who fears that success will expose him as a hack, so he escapes into the fantasy of a mind-control conspiracy - the same way he escapes the truth of his responsibility for his mother's death by fantasizing that the TV 'entranced' him. The discomfort of the party scene is specifically that these idiots genuinely want to be his friend, and he's going to have to interact with them regularly. The idea that they're all villainous cultists comes as a relief.
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Mar 14, 2017 04:03
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i am the bird posted:Racism. Racism, particularly the very idosyncratic kind we have in the US where nothing matters other than Black and White, is economically motivated. Racialization is a justifcation for conquest and domination. I have no clue why people are acting like it's just gratuitous cruelty.
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Mar 14, 2017 04:03
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Racism, particularly the very idosyncratic kind we have in the US where nothing matters other than Black and White, is economically motivated. Racialization is a justifcation for conquest and domination. I have no clue why people are acting like it's just gratuitous cruelty. If it's the latter I'm innocent and it's just bad racists that do racisms.
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Mar 14, 2017 05:13
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Hell, Stephen Root's character is a literal blind man who denies any racism while using his $$ to get a black guy murked
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Mar 14, 2017 05:15
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DeimosRising posted:If it's the latter I'm innocent and it's just bad racists that do racisms. Not anyone in particular, I just mean in general, what do people think the point of racism is? Hat Thoughts posted:Hell, Stephen Root's character is a literal blind man who denies any racism while using his $$ to get a black guy murked He doesn't see color. He sees value. It's nothing personal, of course. This is much more insidious.
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Mar 14, 2017 05:34
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Not anyone in particular, I just mean in general, what do people think the point of racism is? Biotruths about apes fighting other apes and tribes and territory and the other and poo poo.
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Mar 14, 2017 07:20
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Groovelord Neato posted:it must suck watching a movie and not realizing that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. It's actually really interesting and fun, and I highly recommend you try thinking about movies in terms other than "the good movie is good, the bad movie is bad" some time. Dexo posted:The Grandfather who never got over losing to Jessie Owens. He wasn't running at Chris. He was just running around at night because that's the reason he wanted the black body in the first place. holy poo poo 
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Mar 14, 2017 07:51
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^ This post is hilarious. Don't get so focused on the subtext that you miss the text, kids.HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Racism, particularly the very idosyncratic kind we have in the US where nothing matters other than Black and White, is economically motivated. Racialization is a justifcation for conquest and domination. I have no clue why people are acting like it's just gratuitous cruelty. Rate the sketchiness of saying racism reduces entirely to classism in the Get Out thread out of 10. Alternate view: it's not entirely economically motivated. Even "conquest and domination" mean more than profit. VROOM VROOM fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 08:29
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VROOM VROOM posted:^ This post is hilarious. Don't get so focused on the subtext that you miss the text, kids. nothing wrong with admitting u didnt think of somethin
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Mar 14, 2017 08:38
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My apologies to Pirate Jet, it was more of an indirect shot at recent trends in the thread.
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Mar 14, 2017 08:57
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if you don't personally enjoy deep readings thru a different ideological framework than the one you operate within, that's cool if you don't enjoy what people consider to be a more sensible or straight forward analysis, that's cool too
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Mar 14, 2017 11:45
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VROOM VROOM posted:Rate the sketchiness of saying racism reduces entirely to classism in the Get Out thread out of 10. Alternate view: it's not entirely economically motivated. Even "conquest and domination" mean more than profit. Any antiracist critique must begin from examining what motivated racial and racist classification, which are mostly but not entirely materialist. Otherwise, that explanation tends to come in other flavors, like "human nature" (no) and pathological pettiness (also no).
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Mar 14, 2017 12:55
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Pirate Jet posted:It's actually really interesting and fun, and I highly recommend you try thinking about movies in terms other than "the good movie is good, the bad movie is bad" some time. c'mon man you're gonna come at me with that poo poo and you didn't get why the groundskeeper was running. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 13:19
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I just like the implication that Georgina and Walter don't sleep. No need to sleep, just gonna run some laps and rake some leaves. Just gonna bake a cake in the darkness and play with my wig.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:53
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They were probably excited and had a lot of work to do to get ready for the big day.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:57
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I'm just disappointed that Walter runs his laps in his work clothes. Come on, Walter. It's spring time in Alabama. Put on your track gear like a real athlete.
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Mar 14, 2017 14:00
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I think this came up earlier but it didn't really sink in until now. Both Georgina's and Walter's current bodies probably did the sex with Rose. That's kind of weird.
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Mar 14, 2017 14:19
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:I think this came up earlier but it didn't really sink in until now. And now they have sex with each other.
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Mar 14, 2017 14:23
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Racism, particularly the very idosyncratic kind we have in the US where nothing matters other than Black and White, is economically motivated. Racialization is a justifcation for conquest and domination. I have no clue why people are acting like it's just gratuitous cruelty. Tribalism is a huge part of it to. In fact, the economic part works so well because of the natural inclination of tribalism. People distrust those they see as different ----> Put people in economic competition ----> People will focus on those they see as "different" that are in economic competition as opposed to those they see as the same. That's how "white" has been historically used as an end goal of any immigrant group in the U.S. to attain, as it keeps minority groups infighting instead of joining together. But the other facet of racism, and what Get Out focuses more on, is even seeing people as innately "different" in the first place. Essentially, the moment you see someone as different in any large way - because- their skin color or features are different, you begin to dehumanize them because you're just sticking them in a category. And taken to the full extent, you get the way Chris was viewed in Get Out. Darko fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 16:28
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DeimosRising posted:Would you mind giving some detail here? I had to ask the person I was with what was said, I'll let you know if she remembers. I kind of let stuff like that go in one in and out the other unless it's especially egregious.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:29
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still obsessed with the guy i heard saying the problem with the movie was that "once again scientists are the bad guy"
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Mar 14, 2017 16:32
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Hat Thoughts posted:still obsessed with the guy i heard saying the problem with the movie was that "once again scientists are the bad guy" bet that guy loving loves science
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Mar 14, 2017 16:37
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:bet that guy loving loves science I loving Love Race Science
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Hat Thoughts posted:still obsessed with the guy i heard saying the problem with the movie was that "once again scientists are the bad guy" I bet he's one of those people who gets super mad if you mention how great Frankenstein is Darko posted:I had to ask the person I was with what was said, I'll let you know if she remembers. I kind of let stuff like that go in one in and out the other unless it's especially egregious. No big deal I'm just curious how that shakes out Darko posted:Tribalism is a huge part of it to. In fact, the economic part works so well because of the natural inclination of tribalism. I just want to say that we don't know that this is a "natural" inclination, certainly not on the basis of appearance. Before European imperialism, skin color was not a major factor in the formation of social identity. In the (dumb) ape analogy that is often used as a prop for "race realism", chimpanzees don't distinguish their in groups on the basis of similar appearance.
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