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Moola
Aug 16, 2006

Rhymenoserous posted:

Sadly the worst parts of this game are in the first 5 hours or so when most games are trying to set the hook. Once things open up with companion missions etc it starts to get pretty good. But holy poo poo that first five hours or so sucked.

I liked Dad Ryder but yeah ugh the rest

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TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS
Open World needs to just stop being a thing. Or at least, stop being used the way it is nowadays.

Once I got the 'hunting the Archon' mission, I just started loving around doing all the other stuff. I've cleared every non-'Task' mission I can find, except the 'finding the Angaran relics' one, because, for some reason, I don't like that one.

"Pathfinder, the Archon is at Planet X, but who knows how long he'll stay there! We need to go NOW!"

"Yeah, yeah, but first, everything else."

All planets 100% viability, without even trying. All loyalty quests done. All of the stupid 'follow the breadcrumbs through eight separate systems, followed by, gasp, combat.' All of the 'perhaps your scanner will reveal something, Pathfinder.' Even an interesting moment when I have one quest who's next step says 'Talk to Addison and assistant on the Nexus' and another who's next step says 'Contact Addison via Vidcom.'

Which leads me into the next point.

I've said it before, briefly, but I'll say it again: This game seriously needed the main designers to be sat down on a nice couch, with a nice TV and sound system, and some nice snacks, and the instruction 'Your job, now, is to play this game to completion. You can skip, lets say 60% of the 'additional tasks' but that's it. Also, you must wind up with 80 percent of the cluster explored. No smartphones allowed in the testing room.'

When I, personally, can be deploying strike teams from the mall while my kids are running around, there's no justification for QEC-equipped Ryder not to be able to. When I, personally, can dash off an email to somebody in another country letting them know that an assignment is done, there's no justification for Ryder needing to 'return to X' to turn in a quest. Which, admittedly, you often don't need to do, but still do enough to be annoying as hell.

There's no justification for 'Meet X in Kadara port. Return to Tempest. Read email. Go right back to Kadara port to do the next bit.'

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

TheCenturion posted:

There's no justification for 'Meet X in Kadara port. Return to Tempest. Read email. Go right back to Kadara port to do the next bit.'

IT's a minor annoyance, but why does the Tempest need to take off every time you go back on it? Sometimes I just want to change my shirt

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Iron Crowned posted:

IT's a minor annoyance, but why does the Tempest need to take off every time you go back on it? Sometimes I just want to change my shirt

The Ebon Hawk worked that way.

Hamburger Test
Jul 2, 2007

Sure hope this works!

Iron Crowned posted:

IT's a minor annoyance, but why does the Tempest need to take off every time you go back on it? Sometimes I just want to change my shirt

You can change your loadout from the forward stations, unless you mean change your colour scheme - then yeah. My complain is for AVP stuff.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Rinkles posted:

The Ebon Hawk worked that way.

But I didn't have to land in port, then get a message to go check my email in the Ebon Hawk. I guess email only works in space in the ME universe

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE

Iron Crowned posted:

IT's a minor annoyance, but why does the Tempest need to take off every time you go back on it? Sometimes I just want to change my shirt

Yeah, it would have been really cool to see Podromos out the window or whatever. I'm guessing it's probably a memory issue--the Tempest interior is pretty heavy, so they can't show it AND a planet surface at the same time.

I think I remember in ME1 you could go inside the Normandy without leaving the planet, but you couldn't see outside, right?

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Moola posted:

If you hand me a bowl of poo poo, which looks like poo poo, and smells like poo poo, and has flies buzzing around it, I don't need to eat it to know it's poo poo

I didn't say anyone should stop saying the game is bad, I just don't think anything is to be accomplished from trying to convince people who haven't played the game that it's good. Or, for that matter, from trying to convince people who are enjoying the game (that you haven't played) that they shouldn't be.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Haledjian posted:

Yeah, it would have been really cool to see Podromos out the window or whatever. I'm guessing it's probably a memory issue--the Tempest interior is pretty heavy, so they can't show it AND a planet surface at the same time.

I think I remember in ME1 you could go inside the Normandy without leaving the planet, but you couldn't see outside, right?

Eh, I figure the front window is just a display screen anyway, and it's not like you need to do a full render, just a flat backdrop with like one thing that is "3D" much like when you're at an asteroid

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

precision posted:

I didn't say anyone should stop saying the game is bad, I just don't think anything is to be accomplished from trying to convince people who haven't played the game that it's good. Or, for that matter, from trying to convince people who are enjoying the game (that you haven't played) that they shouldn't be.

Yes I agree, nobody should try and convince someone they arent having fun

unless the thing they are having fun with is harmful to others

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Also technical challenges should not be excuses for poor player experience.

Reclaimer
Sep 3, 2011

Pierced through the heart
but never killed



Tei posted:

Wild speculations about the race that made the relics:

So this race, the Jadaar, they live in these high tech structures that probably grow themselves from algorithms. The messages in the panels in the structures make it look like a society like the human one, with individuals, different agendas and opinions.

The Jardeen where ethically challenged, perhaps. They had absolutely no problem playing god. Create a new race? thats a good idea. We have to run away? leave behind these new guys.

They short of worship "the machine of life". Is that a thing or a philosophy? Is that "all life" or just the programming code of life?

Their enemy is against life. The oposition. So the enemy is... machines?, maybe the enemy is just a race or entity that don't want the universe filled with wars, civilization collapses and that sort of thing. The opposition don't need to be bad. But they probably are. I bet they are just machines.

So the Jadaar created programmable matter, and had it building structures in space and in planets, to terramorph these planets. Then they created in these planet life and even self-aware creatures (the angara).

These self-aware creatures started using the programable buildings has houses. They developed a space faring civilization.

THEN the opposition showed, and the Jadaar where scared of their poo poo. The had to flee and abandon everything. Then something happend and the killing fog thing was spread around the area, one of the effects is that it crashed the Angara civilization.

Then the kett showed, a commander was assigned the area to capture the population into their culture. The angaran society was already in disarray, but this new foe made things worse.
Not only that, but the jardeen programable building started to malfunction, the terraformation of the planets stopped or was reverted in some cases. Their ecosystems turning toxic or dying. The killing fog was in some cases colliding with planets destroying them.


The Angarans are thought by the Kett to have data from the Jadaar stored in their genetic code, like living hard drives, which is why they're so interested in them. They don't know how to get to the data or what it is though.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

Angry Joe Review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJARrs0hrZQ

Spoilers: This game makes "Angry Joe" Angry

TheCenturion posted:

Open World needs to just stop being a thing. Or at least, stop being used the way it is nowadays.

Completelly agree.

We have come from "very few companies make open world games because they are hard to make right" to "everyone makes lots of open world games but are poorly made because are hard to make right".

I love open world games, but not empy places.

Reclaimer posted:

The Angarans are thought by the Kett to have data from the Jadaar stored in their genetic code, like living hard drives, which is why they're so interested in them. They don't know how to get to the data or what it is though.

Is kind of interesting how many important data is hidden in random places. A single person in a single playthrough can't uncover all the secrets of this game.

Tei fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Apr 3, 2017

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

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Biscuit Hider
That would be kinda neat if you could just dial up people on the holocall to turn in quests. Maybe not all, but like the really simple ones.

Soridar
Jun 1, 2016
Just beat the game, finished everything but the comb the maps to find X for no real reason but its something to do quests. Then I talked to some friends and finally understood the irritations people are having. I played it on XBOX one and there are no serious animation glitches, only the occasional twitch or oddity but that happens in all games somewhere down the line. After listening to the guys who had it on PC, drat, it seems obvious that this was coded for consoles and ported over to PC.

So if you are like me and play both consoles and PC, I would seriously think about getting this on console, as I have heard even the glitching on PS4 was patched and fixed in the first few hours it was out.

Also, be aware that the end fight is based on what you do in the game, so if you just speed through it, missing the more important planetary/relationship quests you also miss out on parts of the final battle.

While the game is not perfect, show me one that is. it is a rather enjoyable game that breathes life back into a series that was all but dead. So rather than try to tear the game apart because you are to privileged to realize that the game isn't catering to you personally, but rather building on a game series that is fun for all the right reasons and isn't shoe boxed into being just an RPG or a shooter but both in a rather well balanced way.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

precision posted:

Controversial opinion: people should stop arguing with the people in this thread who keep saying a game they haven't played is bad.

I have played the game and I say certain aspects of it that I find important are bad.

What now.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Hamburger Test posted:

Are you the fly?

The bowl of poo poo is this thiread

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE

fruit on the bottom posted:

That would be kinda neat if you could just dial up people on the holocall to turn in quests. Maybe not all, but like the really simple ones.

I want a free DLC that just gives Ryder a flip phone.

"Hey, I'm at the shuttle crash site. Yep. Everyone's dead again. Sorry."

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

My wishlist:

Plotting from ME

Combat from ME:A

Camera work and conversations from ME2

Exploration from some new, better ME title

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

Soridar posted:



So if you are like me and play both consoles and PC, I would seriously think about getting this on console, as I have heard even the glitching on PS4 was patched and fixed in the first few hours it was out.


On the other hand you have around 25 fps during combat in 900p and 765p in cutscenes with even worse fps at times. I take the occasional T-pose over that.

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc

Soridar posted:

Just beat the game, finished everything but the comb the maps to find X for no real reason but its something to do quests. Then I talked to some friends and finally understood the irritations people are having. I played it on XBOX one and there are no serious animation glitches, only the occasional twitch or oddity but that happens in all games somewhere down the line. After listening to the guys who had it on PC, drat, it seems obvious that this was coded for consoles and ported over to PC.

So if you are like me and play both consoles and PC, I would seriously think about getting this on console, as I have heard even the glitching on PS4 was patched and fixed in the first few hours it was out.

Also, be aware that the end fight is based on what you do in the game, so if you just speed through it, missing the more important planetary/relationship quests you also miss out on parts of the final battle.

While the game is not perfect, show me one that is. it is a rather enjoyable game that breathes life back into a series that was all but dead. So rather than try to tear the game apart because you are to privileged to realize that the game isn't catering to you personally, but rather building on a game series that is fun for all the right reasons and isn't shoe boxed into being just an RPG or a shooter but both in a rather well balanced way.

I've had no animation glitches or other technical problems on PC, and have only heard of animation issues on consoles so :shrug:

I'm a Clean Saves (TM) advocate though so maybe that has something to do with it.

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE
I have it for PS4 and I'm a little sad about missing out on the nVidia Ansel tool.

Also, roommates walking in while I'm watching aliens gently caress in the living room

Ambaire
Sep 4, 2009

by Shine
Oven Wrangler

Arglebargle III posted:

My wishlist:

Plotting from ME

Combat from ME:A

Camera work and conversations from ME2

Exploration from some new, better ME title

And the galaxy/solar system map from ME. No flying the ship around necessary, just drag the cursor around the system and click on stuff.

e. I'm trying to remember.. it was ME3 that had the reapers chasing your ship around systems, right? I don't think ME2 had anything doing that.

Turbl
Nov 8, 2007


Yeah it's weird to me that people keep saying the game is really buggy because I've installed it on 2 completely different PCs and have like 60 hours played and I've only had 2 noticeable bugs. One where I krogan hammered someone so hard he fell through the floor and couldn't be killed and another where I died but could still use my guns and abilities. No crashes or loading problems or animation stuff. I wonder why some people have so many issues.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
I've had the multiplayer crash twice on PS4, no problems with single player aside from a couple idle animations glitching out.

the good fax machine
Feb 26, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Why do all the female krogan talk like fags

What the gently caress

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you

Ambaire posted:

Two pages ago, but why the hell couldn't the default Ryder have looked like that? And how do I get that look for my Ryder when I start my new playthrough.. someday.

Unless I'm missing something, that is the default Ryder, and they just chose the four screenshots in existence that actually make her look good...

Go here -. https://masseffectarchives.com/#user/2294218246/playthrough/1464573999/gender/female - and choose the option to use that in your next playthrough.

In-game, start a new game, choosing to customize instead of quick start, then pick the option to use the customized face instead of default. Going off of memory while on the phone atm, but those are the basic steps as I remember 'em.

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
Multiplayer is crashy as gently caress, haven't had any single player problems.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

the good fax machine posted:

Why do all the female krogan talk like fags

What the gently caress

Er.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

Soridar posted:

While the game is not perfect, show me one that is. it is a rather enjoyable game that breathes life back into a series that was all but dead. So rather than try to tear the game apart because you are to privileged to realize that the game isn't catering to you personally, but rather building on a game series that is fun for all the right reasons and isn't shoe boxed into being just an RPG or a shooter but both in a rather well balanced way.

:wow:

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot

It's about privilege in games purchasing.

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008

Moola posted:

I liked Dad Ryder but yeah ugh the rest

I think the problem was they kept introducing systems you couldn't really use. Ryder this is the research terminal, but you can only research a pair of level 1 gloves, and you'll outlevel level 1 gear by the time you have enough research points for the level 1 pants. Congrats Ryder, you researched those level 1 gloves, but you don't have enough resources to build them, or enough money to buy the resources till your level 15 and well beyond the point where those gloves would be useful.

They should have made element zero cores or some other macguffin that was the "Rare" thing that went into crafting and just made the rest of it dirt cheap, like at most five of each material. Make the element zero cores cost like 1000 credits. This would give you the ability to experiment while still leaving in a early game limitation to just crafting loving everything. Oh and unlock all milky way tech by default and make the new races tech better in most regards. So y'know I feel like I'm actually "Working up" to things and have a reason to scan like crazy during missions.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

I've got 104 loot boxes for singleplayer now.

How many guns is that going to make

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

To try to change the subject from ME:A/Nier/Horizon, that circuit board game Rory played on UPF seemed neat. Might grab that and kill it in one session, just for kicks.

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc

Rhymenoserous posted:

I think the problem was they kept introducing systems you couldn't really use. Ryder this is the research terminal, but you can only research a pair of level 1 gloves, and you'll outlevel level 1 gear by the time you have enough research points for the level 1 pants. Congrats Ryder, you researched those level 1 gloves, but you don't have enough resources to build them, or enough money to buy the resources till your level 15 and well beyond the point where those gloves would be useful.

They should have made element zero cores or some other macguffin that was the "Rare" thing that went into crafting and just made the rest of it dirt cheap, like at most five of each material. Make the element zero cores cost like 1000 credits. This would give you the ability to experiment while still leaving in a early game limitation to just crafting loving everything. Oh and unlock all milky way tech by default and make the new races tech better in most regards. So y'know I feel like I'm actually "Working up" to things and have a reason to scan like crazy during missions.

They should have just given you a copy of the item for spending research points on it. There's no need for all of the materials and for 2 interwoven crafting steps.

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc

Bobulus posted:

You're really going to have to elaborate on that one, because I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

it's simple, he's being an idiot and fishing for replies.

edit:

Bobulus posted:

To try to change the subject from ME:A/Nier/Horizon, that circuit board game Rory played on UPF seemed neat. Might grab that and kill it in one session, just for kicks.

Sir this is the ME:A thread.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

Charles Get-Out posted:

They should have just given you a copy of the item for spending research points on it. There's no need for all of the materials and for 2 interwoven crafting steps.

Well, the big advantage of researching items, rather than just buying them in the stores for credits, is that you can put modifiers into them during the crafting process. And you can later deconstruct it and get those modifiers back and made a new item of the same level with different ones. So for those systems to work, research and development have to be separate.

edit:

quote:

Sir this is the ME:A thread.

Yeah, Giant Bomb and this thread are pretty identical in ME:A talk at the moment. My bad.

Bobulus fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Apr 3, 2017

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

RBA Starblade posted:

I've got 104 loot boxes for singleplayer now.

How many guns is that going to make

2.2

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc

Bobulus posted:

Well, the big advantage of researching items, rather than just buying them in the stores for credits, is that you can put modifiers into them during the crafting process. And you can later deconstruct it and get those modifiers back and made a new item of the same level with different ones. So for those systems to work, research and development have to be separate.

Nah, they already have mods. Could have given researched guns extra slots.

Plus, iirc the augments are broken and largely don't do anything anyways so the system is worthless until they fix it and make it actually give you 2% extra biotic power or whatever.

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RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester


Hope they're good ones then

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