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Bacarruda posted:"Unarmed aircraft." It would still have guns, presumably. Makes it a little difficult to play technicalities. That said, we really don't know how much to the letter the Indians will hold us.
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Bacarruda posted:"Unarmed aircraft." Last resort. The Indians are likely to impound anything that looks threatening. You can sneak in a goofy looking Saab. A Gripen is going to be a tough sell.
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What is their policy on battle-damage emergency landings? Would they be considered a neutral country in that regard, and offer us 48 hours of asylum and a place to not crash and die? They are the closest airport afterall, they would merely be doing their civic duty on the international stage. Lack of fuel is poor planning, that part I think they should be rightfully pissed about if we try and sneak in our combat craft to save money on fuel or whatever. But someone losing half a wing to a missile or some such would be a pretty excusable reason to need to land at the closest place.
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Zaodai posted:What is their policy on battle-damage emergency landings? Would they be considered a neutral country in that regard, and offer us 48 hours of asylum and a place to not crash and die? They are the closest airport afterall, they would merely be doing their civic duty on the international stage. The game will route units to the nearest fuel point, so for the Gripens that would be the tankers. With the Saab it'd just land once it's low. The pilots won't go beyond fuel limits unless I tell them to, and usually that ends badly. I am able to set what % before bingo fuel too. So if we'd like a buffer just tell them to refuel at 10% plus bingo. Why would you want that for example? The planes will go for fuel when we tell them regardless of threat. So if we have a 20% cushion I can manually set them back to bingo fuel and they might engage for a minute before running to refuel. If they're at bingo they'll run to a tanker, hook up to a drogue, and potentially eat a missile mid flight. This is one of those things I normally err on the side of safety. Our Gripens don't have amazing range and will be quite thirsty.
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I'm fine with whatever we need fuel wise, I leave that to you. I just drive the van. I meant what is India's policy on letting our combat craft land there in the case of a non-fuel emergency from battle damage. As a neutral third party, they should theoretically allow us a couple days of asylum without it affecting their overall neutrality in the conflict.
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Zaodai posted:I'm fine with whatever we need fuel wise, I leave that to you. I just drive the van. There is a CMANO update coming that will model damage more realistically. WarfareSims posted:NEW! Comprehensive damage model for aircraft. Aircraft may be shot down outright or receive damage that will still allow them to limp back home. Different aircraft can absorb different punishment on their fuselage, cockpit and engines. Depending on the amount of damage received a plane may be "mission killed" if its repairs take so long that it misses the fight. I'm not sure I've ever seen an airplane survive a SAM or AAM hit right now. My understanding is that in certain situations aircraft might survive with damage. If a plane is forced to land at an odd facility then we'll roll with it. This makes Scenario Design much more interesting as right now I only model what's necessary. But if you can land a wounded plane within 40 miles then you'd put it down anywhere you could. Long story short, we'll see.
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 We have Compilation Post Please note that the quoted plans in that post are the old ones, it seems the forums doesn't update a revised post to a quote. Unless some wild and wacky plan comes up I'll total votes in 6 hours. Bacarruda Plan B : Around the World (This is plan Max profit too?) Psawhn Plan B.5 : Double Duty Round the World Psawhn Plan Charlie : Maximum CAS Money Quinntan Plan Bread Yooper fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Max Profit plus B.5 The problem with the naming convention is that it refers to individual plans for primary and secondary missions.
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I assume that despite the link, Quinntan's plan Bread comes with plan Circus as well? Also don't we have 8 SK60s? Max Profit + B.5
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xthetenth posted:
8 Gripens 6 SK60B's
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chitoryu12 posted:Bacarruda Plan B Seconded.
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Yooper posted:8 Gripens Dammit. This'll teach me for not deciding I want to be involved until halfway through reading the thread. 
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Bacarruda Plan B : Around the World + Max Profits.
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Plan Charlie, and if we're still taking votes, American ground forces.
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I'm voting for Plan Bread and Circus, in part because we're not lugging around those stupid anti-shipping missiles to take out some freighters! I also like the contingency for repeated CAS strikes, should the targets present themselves.
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Crazycryodude posted:The main problem with the AShM's (beyond the price tag) is that their main advantage - range - is negated by having to get within 30 nmi or whatever to ID the ships. If we have to get that close no matter what, there's no point in worrying about standoff capability against a frigate/MANPADS on the deck because we won't know what to shoot until in "whoops you're dead" range anyways. Worse. 30 nmi is the range that the Litening III pod lets them zoom in with laser cameras to see what the name on the ship is. Visual ID with Mk. 1 Eyeball seems to happen at 8-9 nmi. Yooper posted:8 Gripens Whoops! Plan Charlie assumes 8 SK 60Bs, not 6. I'll just, uh... go fix that. (Bacarruda's repost of my plan won't update the change.) I'll split the SK-60Bs into individuals. Edit: Okay, this part's fixed. Psawhn fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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A for American (ground voting isn't closed yet, right?) because we need a small number of competent dudes more than a larger number of mediocre ones. Bread And Circus for the mission. We don't need to expend AShMs on some freighters.
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I have slightly updated Plan B.5. I mostly just tweaked the launch profile of RB 15s, and an ROE in case the frigate is escorting a freighter.
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Voting is final. We'll be going with Max Profits and Plan B. The voting was pretty close between Psawhns plans and Bacaruddas. It's awesome that we're getting this many good plans. Please keep it up! I'm still surprised how different the plans end up being from what I picture in my head. Scenario Editor time. 
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Tetraptous posted:I'm voting for Plan Bread and Circus, in part because we're not lugging around those stupid anti-shipping missiles to take out some freighters! I also like the contingency for repeated CAS strikes, should the targets present themselves. What about the potential escorting frigate?
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I really hope we get to use this song at one point https://youtube.com/watch?v=dEbE3fGfF-o
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Glad to see our Saabs getting a stretch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiXqvQWRPNg
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chitoryu12 posted:Glad to see our Saabs getting a stretch! I knew they were small but that video makes them look like clown cars with wings.
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That's basically what the Sk60s are. Tiny little trainers that have a pair of rocket pods strapped to them. Our ones don't even have the new engines, they're old 1960s jets that have engines unique to them.
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chitoryu12 posted:Glad to see our Saabs getting a stretch! I love that the Austrian air force is using stock music in their videos for some reason.
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Usual Barb posted:I love that the Austrian air force is using stock music in their videos for some reason. Because it's cheap and it won't get your video taken down for rights violations.
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Yooper posted:
 "All pilots, start your engines. We're going."
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So excited to see how it's going down.
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You know, if we are going to remain worried about our lack of SEAD capability, we may want to go to the Ivanovs and see if we can buy those Fencers at some point...
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