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Surely having more body mass helps you keep your firing platform more stable for follow up shots?
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In RL, Soldiers shoot better with body armour out to 150 meters. But of course this isn't RL, it's a mapcap combat simulator which like all grog games, goes into excruciating detail in some areas while being wildly unrealistic in others. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 16:49
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Phi230 posted:Its not just speed. We wouldn't even be able to aim and shoot let alone do things like open doors or deploy bipods. Are steroids available to speed up fitness training?
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Apr 17, 2017 17:06
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Rockopolis posted:Like, at all, or just very slowly? Does it matter how long it takes to aim and shoot if bullets are bouncing off our armor? Yes it matters because despite wearing armor you still take blunt damage from being hit and can be knocked over. You also suffer action penalties for being shot.
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Apr 17, 2017 17:08
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So like one of us would get shot and knocked over and roll on the ground because you can't get up like a turtle
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Apr 17, 2017 17:09
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At this level of training, fitness, and skill level armor is a bad idea imo but if the people want it...
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Apr 17, 2017 17:10
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Haha, gotcha. Flexible armor didn't sound too bad at this level, seems pretty light, especially if we use it to replace clothes. That's why it's called going commando, because it's high speed low drag.
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Apr 17, 2017 17:14
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nothing to seehere posted:In RL, Soldiers shoot better with body armour out to 150 meters. Simulationist game systems are always amazing because there's a certain point at which they start simulating the disconnect between the assumptions of the game designers and reality, and they do it in excruciating detail.
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Apr 17, 2017 17:25
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xthetenth posted:Simulationist game systems are always amazing because there's a certain point at which they start simulating the disconnect between the assumptions of the game designers and reality, and they do it in excruciating detail. To be fair this game system was written 30 years ago and reflects the military scholarship of the time
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Apr 17, 2017 17:29
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Yea, the effectiveness, weight, and cost of body armour has gone waaaaay down in the past 20 years. And given they development of new M5 fibres which are stronger than the Kevlar/HMPE fibres which have been the workhorse for the last 50 years and just improved, it's going to get even better.
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nothing to seehere posted:Yea, the effectiveness, weight, and cost of body armour has gone waaaaay down in the past 20 years. And given they development of new M5 fibres which are stronger than the Kevlar/HMPE fibres which have been the workhorse for the last 50 years and just improved, it's going to get even better. You mean effectiveness has gone way up.
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Apr 17, 2017 17:58
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I second the vote in favor of a steroid fitness regime for all soldiers as well as sending them into the AO naked for weight savings. We should think about amphetamines also to address their general sluggishness until their overall fitness improves. These might seem like drastic measures but really they're the only responsible thing to do. It's becoming painfully obvious how we all failed out of basic.
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Apr 17, 2017 18:14
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Look, if they wanted me to pass basic training the shouldn't have based us out of somewhere that had decent burgers and wings.
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Apr 17, 2017 18:18
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Zaodai posted:Look, if they wanted me to pass basic training the shouldn't have based us out of somewhere that had decent burgers and wings. Coming from you that's like Chad OchoCinco talking about he only eats McDonalds.
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Apr 17, 2017 18:24
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Grimace is the Fruity Rudy of this bunch of Army rejects. I loving knew we should have gone with the communists
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Apr 17, 2017 18:27
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Had slowly been catching up with the Strike Commander LP, didn't realize this was one too! Neato. Signing up for reserves, callsign: Doomeye Requested qual: Marksman 
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Apr 17, 2017 18:36
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If going into battle naked I would recommend at least a jock strap and/or sports bra. Otherwise I'm assuming there will be additional penalties around machinery, etc.
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Apr 17, 2017 18:36
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Honestly, flexible armor only slows us down a little and any protection is better than none.
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By the way, will our replacements be of a more variable quality, or is our PMC automatically mailing every army reject past 2021?
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Apr 17, 2017 19:09
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Hell just give everyone medium flexible and a helmet except for Popete, who can stand at the back and use everyone else as armour.
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Apr 17, 2017 19:48
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Don't mess with the vest, scooter.
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Cathode Raymond posted:I second the vote in favor of a steroid fitness regime for all soldiers as well as sending them into the AO naked for weight savings. We should think about amphetamines also to address their general sluggishness until their overall fitness improves. These might seem like drastic measures but really they're the only responsible thing to do. Also lack of good training montages.
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Apr 17, 2017 20:28
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Phi230 posted:Yes it matters because despite wearing armor you still take blunt damage from being hit and can be knocked over. You also suffer action penalties for being shot. Wasn't there a whole mythbusters episode devoted to this with them trying to knock down a pig and failing? edit: this is the closest thing I can find with 3 seconds of googling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZPusyLeMA Also can there be a dorfing spreadsheet to avoid cluttering up the thread, because sign me up as another reserve. Strrrrront fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 22:19
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Strrrrront posted:Wasn't there a whole mythbusters episode devoted to this with them trying to knock down a pig and failing? i think its supposed to be less movie style knock back where you fly a few feet, and more getting shot even with body armor sucks and hurts so you might fall down because of it. like i remember a video from a few years back where some insurgent shot a soldier in body armor, and while the guy was completely unharmed he still fell to the ground after being hit before getting back up and running for cover.
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Apr 17, 2017 22:33
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Roobanguy posted:i think its supposed to be less movie style knock back where you fly a few feet, and more getting shot even with body armor sucks and hurts so you might fall down because of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMMSA3opBk4 Getting hit by a 7.62x54mm round knocks you on your rear end even if it doesn't penetrate your plate.
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Apr 17, 2017 22:35
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The kinetic energy of the round still has to go somewhere. Even if it doesn't penetrate, you're taking the equivalent of a sledgehammer blow to the chest.
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Watching people intentionally getting shot while wearing armor is a fun time when nobody's dying. They usually underestimate just how much energy is hitting them and end up rolling around on the floor anyways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdX3hh3TgQQ And sometimes, you get really lucky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbCK2Tb_i30&t=42s
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chitoryu12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMMSA3opBk4 yep, that's the video i was thinking of. getting shot sucks.
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Apr 17, 2017 22:53
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This game system looks absolutely insane. Fascinated to see what happens.
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Apr 17, 2017 23:15
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Zaodai posted:I was going to make a joke about Grimace being used to waddling around, so I was looking to see if I could find where someone had photoshopped Grimace into being in military gear.  I ought to replace the skull with Grimace's face. Later. Really, though, if the soldier wearing heavy rigid everything has to open doors for himself, you're doing it wrong. His job is to draw attention and fire, the rest of the team should be shooting anyone shooting him.
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Being shot by a bullet doesn't make you fall over from the force of a bullet: This is obvious from conservation of motion. If you take a 11.7g 7.62x52 round going at 805 m/s, it's got 0.0117kg x 805 m/s = 9.4185 Ns of momentum. On a 80kg man, this translates to a speed of 0.00147 m/s: Basically no speed at all. People still do fall over after being shot, mostly because they think they should, and being thumped on the chest hard when off-balance is enough to throw you off and reinforce you're perception you should fall over.
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IMJack posted:
Oh god, is that a Skulldozer from Payday 2?  As long as they don't have explosives or poison crossbows we're fine.
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    We got 7 of each of these guys. The AKM is actually slightly better against unarmored targets, and slightly more accurate! Ammo, however, is scarce for both. We'll have to hit the shop soon. Additionally we sold off whatever intel and codebooks and other nerd poo poo we found for a whopping $5,000. Huge payday, maybe we can get Grimace's knee fixed by a pro. We also acquired a...car.   We didn't get paid. However, we caught a bunch dudes. The Boss has been working them over for a few days. The Guards wouldn't budge so we let them loose somewhere in the mountains. However, the Techs turned coats pretty quick and joined up with our Chinese Comms Expert. It looks like he used company funds to buy a copy of Rosetta Stone: English for himself and his new crew. Whatever, we don't pay them anyway. The Chinese government paid us $10,000 in ransom for the officer. Before we let him go, Commander Snake got some information out of him on who to contact to get some good high tech comms equipment from a guy that deals in that kind of thing. Turns out this officer has been pawning PLAAF equipment to people in Lhasa for years. We'll be contacting him soon. Experience Everyone gets a base 5 XP for completing the mission succesfully. Kills award more XP, and those who participated in CQB will be getting awarded more XP. Extra XP is awarded as follows. Grimace Howlington III - 3XP (1x Technician Kill, 1x Guard Kill Assist, CQB Boost). Snake Doctor - 2XP (1x Guard Kill) Tesla Cola - 1.5XP (2x Guard Assist) Spanky - 1XP (1x Guard Assist) Actuary - 2XP (1x Guard Kill) Dread - .5XP (1x Guard Assist) Count - .5XP (1x Guard Assist) Simpson McFish - 5 Medical XP (Treatment - Average Gunshot Wound) Grimace begins leadership training since he has downtime, and his wound yet continues healing. The effect is lessened since it is self-taught. We have no facilities for training, nor trainers to teach them. Snake says he can "show the boys a thing or two" but nobody's seen him for days. In fact, we found this in the command tent...  This is uh...disconcerting. Anyway, we're making the base all neat and tidy for our old pal who is coming up to visit this week. Be ready to give him a warm welcome. 
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Apr 18, 2017 00:00
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If he's crazy even by Florida standards, he'll do fine in a war zone.
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Apr 18, 2017 00:06
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Phi230 posted:This is uh...disconcerting. Yeah, China's moose pasture expansion is bananas. Honestly, something's gotta give, and soon.
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Apr 18, 2017 00:11
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Escaped from an institution you say? Yes I'm going to keep beating the dead horse.
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Apr 18, 2017 00:13
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Random thought: would a soldier dressed in drag confuse the enemy enough to get a reaction bonus?
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Apr 18, 2017 00:13
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Add Fartin So Nasty to the roster, please. Preferably with a MAC-10. Also preferably a comms guy.
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:Random thought: would a soldier dressed in drag confuse the enemy enough to get a reaction bonus? Probably not in Asia.
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Aww maan, successful first aid doesn't get XP?
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