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"An Irish police investigation into allegedly blasphemous comments made by Stephen Fry has been dropped after detectives decided there were not enough people who had been outraged by the remarks." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-a7725116.html So many jokes to make so little time.
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I don't think that's really an option for Corbyn because the question would just be asked again and again making him look increasingly ridiculous if he refuses to answer. It works if the interviewer is prepared to just move on.
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He doesn't look ridiculous if he says he's in the election to win it and it's important Labour does win because the Conservatives are destroying our health and education system and putting the economy at risk through their failure to have a plan for Brexit. It's exactly what people expect him to say. Blurting out that you expect to stay on even if you lose the election is not something leaders do. The EU referendum was not an election.
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Kokoro Wish posted:If they (the PLP) do, and he goes along with it, that's him probably crossed off the list of favourables. That's really just how badly the PLP have screwed the pooch since Corbyn's election. They'll taint anything they manage to get their hands on. They all just really need to do a ritual suicide in some vain attempt to elevate big tone to daemonhood or something.
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It's not about the Ecuadorian embassy, I just didn't want to give away the actual one. Does it being a permanent posting matter? No embassy staff is permanent, and in this case the contract gets "re-signed" every year by both sides so I'm not sure which way this goes. The reason I'm asking is that the contract straight up ignores a load of UK employment laws (and ones from the host country, but that will be much harder to bring to court in the host country), so I was wondering if he could try to get some improvements in working conditions via UK law. Mostly stuff like time spent working, zero hours bullshit with an added minimum shifts per week only on his side (so he has to work 8 shifts a week, but if he's only given 3 that's also fine), amount of holiday/sick leave, etc.
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jabby posted:In 2010 UKIP were nowhere and Labour got 29% of the vote. In 2015 UKIP had suddenly replaced the Lib Dems as the third party and Labour got 30% of the vote. Now in 2017 it's looking like UKIP will collapse and Labour is likely to get.. somewhere around 30% of the vote. YouGov have tried to break down some of the flows: 
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Interesting that UKIP got more Lib Dem voters than Labour voters. Throws into doubt the idea that people went Labour -> UKIP -> Tory.
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dispatch_async posted:YouGov have tried to break down some of the flows: Looks mostly like the Tories have picked up all the Eurosceptic Lib Dems. E: Kelvin Mackenzie is being kicked out of the Sun. Jedit fucked around with this message at 10:09 on May 9, 2017 |
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Miftan posted:It's not about the Ecuadorian embassy, I just didn't want to give away the actual one. Does it being a permanent posting matter? No embassy staff is permanent, and in this case the contract gets "re-signed" every year by both sides so I'm not sure which way this goes. The reason I'm asking is that the contract straight up ignores a load of UK employment laws (and ones from the host country, but that will be much harder to bring to court in the host country), so I was wondering if he could try to get some improvements in working conditions via UK law. Mostly stuff like time spent working, zero hours bullshit with an added minimum shifts per week only on his side (so he has to work 8 shifts a week, but if he's only given 3 that's also fine), amount of holiday/sick leave, etc. If the contract violates the working time directive they can bring their case to an employment tribunal, the court of appeal specifically ruled that domestic UK law preventing this was incompatible with EU law based on past ECrtHR judgement in 2015 I would expect resistance though
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Bleeding activist judges siding with the Brussels tyrants against our sovereign parliament!!
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Jedit posted:E: Kelvin Mackenzie is being kicked out of the Sun. Wonder how long it takes them to bring him back this time.
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Well, this won't be a problem in two years! Anyway it has some other blatant illegal poo poo in it such as a prohibition on unionising and an appendix that I managed to get removed saying women were not allowed to get pregnant while they were working there
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dispatch_async posted:YouGov have tried to break down some of the flows:
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Zephro posted:I'm struggling to think what kind of Lib Dem voter would go UKIP. People are weird. shy tory type
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Miftan posted:It's not about the Ecuadorian embassy, I just didn't want to give away the actual one. Does it being a permanent posting matter? No embassy staff is permanent, and in this case the contract gets "re-signed" every year by both sides so I'm not sure which way this goes. The reason I'm asking is that the contract straight up ignores a load of UK employment laws (and ones from the host country, but that will be much harder to bring to court in the host country), so I was wondering if he could try to get some improvements in working conditions via UK law. Mostly stuff like time spent working, zero hours bullshit with an added minimum shifts per week only on his side (so he has to work 8 shifts a week, but if he's only given 3 that's also fine), amount of holiday/sick leave, etc.
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I think there would be more than a few firms eager to take on an embassy related employment tribunal case just cause of the relevantly recent judgements on the issue and a chance to get their name on some early cases
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Zephro posted:I'm struggling to think what kind of Lib Dem voter would go UKIP. People are weird.
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I think they're considering talking to unite to see if they can help, but a lawyer is obably the safest bet and I've told him as much. It's mostly a money issue.
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Zephro posted:I'm struggling to think what kind of Lib Dem voter would go UKIP. People are weird. lib dem voters are bad
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dispatch_async posted:YouGov have tried to break down some of the flows: i'm in the lib dem to other parties bit
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Zephro posted:I'm struggling to think what kind of Lib Dem voter would go UKIP. People are weird.
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Miftan posted:I think they're considering talking to unite to see if they can help, but a lawyer is obably the safest bet and I've told him as much. It's mostly a money issue. Edit: Also possibly these people? Anyway Google around a bit, there might be other options available. TACD fucked around with this message at 10:52 on May 9, 2017 |
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Jose posted:i'm in the lib dem to other parties bit You voted for UKIP 2 years ago?
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LemonDrizzle posted:The kind that voted for them in 2010 as a protest against Labour and Cameron's Tories?
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TACD posted:I have no idea if your friend's situation is the sort of thing they can help with but it's at least worth looking into Bar Pro Bono and LawWorks. I'll pass it on, thank you.
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Guavanaut posted:They did try to court the right-libertarian vote in 2015. In a typical kipper fashion of "don't worry, we'll only be authoritarian against those who don't integrate", but it might have swayed a few. this is talking about 2010 Lib Dem voters who switched to UKIP in 2015. I know my mam voted Lib Dem in 2005 and 2010 after voting Labour all her life because she hated Big Tone, and I suspect she voted UKIP in 2015. Working class people who hated the Tories and were turned off Labour by Blair had nowhere other than the Lib Dems to go until UKIP came along unless they wanted to vote BNP who definitely had more of a 'you are a full racist if you vote for them' than UKIP managed to garner.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You voted for UKIP 2 years ago? whoops thats what i get for posting hungover. no i voted TUSC 2 years ago
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Steve2911 posted:Cool then making the parking free for everyone is the best solution and still makes more sense than charging. I've not seen detail of Labour's proposal beyond the headlines. for the love of god please tell me that London hospitals are exempt. if not that's more befitting the monster raving looney party
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fridge corn posted:im voting lib dem I am probably voting Lib Dem, as Labour has as much chance of winning this seat as we have of finding out that Mars has a secret communist colony run by Zombie Lenin. I really hate the fact I am having to vote Lib Dem though, it feels dirty  FPTP is such a poo poo system.I could see the local Tory MP getting 80% of the vote at the next election, its already one of the safest seats in the country but UKIP had almost 15% of the votes last time and all of them are going to go to the Theresa May party.
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Zephro posted:Maybe, but why wouldnt' they just have voted UKIP at the time? The Lib Dems are pretty much the direct opposite of UKIP - liberal economics and liberal socially, pro-EU and in favour of immigration. There's literally zero crossover. At least you can make sense of some Labour voters going UKIP (social conservatives; people who swallow the pro-NHS pro-welfare state rhetoric they occasionally come out with; racists). Baron Corbyn posted:this is talking about 2010 Lib Dem voters who switched to UKIP in 2015. I know my mam voted Lib Dem in 2005 and 2010 after voting Labour all her life because she hated Big Tone, and I suspect she voted UKIP in 2015. Working class people who hated the Tories and were turned off Labour by Blair had nowhere other than the Lib Dems to go until UKIP came along unless they wanted to vote BNP who definitely had more of a 'you are a full racist if you vote for them' than UKIP managed to garner. A lot of the tabloid opposition to New Labour wasn't their PFIs or tax credits or economic shift rightwards, it was their penchant for authoritarianism and prohibitionism. That's why you got Lib Dems accusing New Labour of legislative diarrhoea (TW: Chris Huhne, Daily Mail). It got worse under Brown even if he was economically better than Blair. Then when the Lib Dems got into coalition and promptly folded on everything and became part of the establishment, it was UKIP saying "we're common sense, we'll bring back smoking in pubs and gollys on marmalade and building a spud gun with your son in your back yard, and the only things we'll ban are things only foreigners do anyway" which I can see capturing a section of that vote.
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ukle posted:I am probably voting Lib Dem, as Labour has as much chance of winning this seat as we have of finding out that Mars has a secret communist colony run by Zombie Lenin. I really hate the fact I am having to vote Lib Dem though, it feels dirty At least my lib dem candidate has a chance of winning
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fridge corn posted:im voting lib dem 
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ronya posted:note that in the EU a union can negotiate a collective bargaining agreement that binds nonmember terms of remuneration, minimum wages, safety, etc. it merely cannot require membership or fees. EU countries can be quite hot on granting unions statutory powers over employer-backed funds or otherwise codeterminatory statutory bodies That applies to the UK as well? (For now at least) What percent of the UK labor force is unionized or covered by a union collective bargaining agreement? OECD stat for unionization rate (~25%) is relatively high by neoliberal Anglosphere standards, what further percentage are covered by union contracts but not actually in the union? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 11:47 on May 9, 2017 |
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fridge corn posted:At least my lib dem candidate has a chance of winning The local lib dem candidate in 2010 was within 15% of the Tory, its just thanks to Clegg their vote collapsed and the 2015 candidate only just kept their deposit. It took decades of work by the Lib Dem's locally to get it that high but was all undone so quickly. Speaking to neighbors and anyone who is not voting Tory is voting Lib Dem's here so its likely they are going to recover some of their vote share. Its completely the wrong demographic for Labour (countryside, high education, high wealth) to have any chance here.
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Three long-standing Labour activists have been expelled from the party for supporting the NHA candidate against Jeremy Hunt.
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