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fridge corn posted:Lot 49 I need to read Mason & Dixon next, but 2017 is not a good year for me finishing novels. I'm getting bored by everything I read.
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What if it was called Lot 69
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fridge corn posted:im reading pynchon on this the day of pynchon I didn't know Pynchon had his own day.
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Solitair posted:I didn't know Pynchon had his own day. Today's his birthday. Fans celebrate it by "Reading Pynchon in Public" day. I don't know why, but I'm all for saying Happy Birthday for the guy and people reading him more.
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Currently reading V. on the MRT, good imo
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sung to the tune of "Insane In The Membrane" V on the MRT
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poo poo I guess it's time to finally read Bleeding Edge. Having the urge to re-read one of the big ones, despite having done them twice each.
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The more Dave Eggers I read the more perplexed I am by the popularity of Dave Eggers
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The more Dave Eggers I read the more perplexed I am by the popularity of Dave Eggers He writes like a dumb person thinks a smart person sounds.
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pleasecallmechrist posted:I love y'all so much for this. Literary darling my dick. He founded the West coast version of basically the new Yorker and Paris review, which eh. Other than that, he has that whole i have a tragic backstory that happened to my rich family but is not supposed to happen to rich families and my trauma has made me so deep and worth listening to. I agree with you but wow, do you have some personal beef with Dave Eggers? The Circle tragically misses having any resonance with the real world and reads like a complete Luddite write it.
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Cloks posted:I agree with you but wow, do you have some personal beef with Dave Eggers? I read a really good critique of the circle that said it failed because it undermined the actual horror of social media - the fact no one is really in control. By taking the impossibility of control and turning it into a fully competent cult, you actually end up making the issue less worrying.
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May 9, 2017 17:06
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I thought Heartbreaking was alright when I read it 15 years ago but I've never had any desire to check out anything else Eggers wrote.
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May 9, 2017 17:35
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Powaqoatse posted:I thought Heartbreaking was alright when I read it 15 years ago but I've never had any desire to check out anything else Eggers wrote. I read Hologram for the King and it was the most 21st century white male novel I could imagine and I am including Franzen in this
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May 9, 2017 17:41
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pleasecallmechrist posted:I love y'all so much for this. Literary darling my dick. He founded the West coast version of basically the new Yorker and Paris review, which eh. Other than that, he has that whole i have a tragic backstory that happened to my rich family but is not supposed to happen to rich families and my trauma has made me so deep and worth listening to. i think i'll buy one of his books now. if eggers inspires such hate, there must be something interesting about his stuff
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whatevz fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Burning Rain posted:i think i'll buy one of his books now. if eggers inspires such hate, there must be something interesting about his stuff I think that's the opposite of what people are saying, bud.
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Another example would be Between the World and Me. Decent book but it was so precisely tuned and so certain of its success, because of course people especially progressives are gonna eat it up. lol gently caress off
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whatevz fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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May 9, 2017 17:50
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Powaqoatse posted:I thought Heartbreaking was alright when I read it 15 years ago but I've never had any desire to check out anything else Eggers wrote. same this etc
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Is there any way that that book would have failed in that intellectual climate? Hell no. White progressives were climbing over themselves to find a way to not be associated with white people. Coates himself commented on how much white people loved his book and how they were the only race at his readings. Yeah, well, for a lot of people it was an eye-opening reading experiences, and frankly, I'm glad that that was the outcome. It could have very easily gone the opposite way.
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Btwam was good who cares if white people like it
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Is there any way that that book would have failed in that intellectual climate? Hell no. White progressives were climbing over themselves to find a way to not be associated with white people. Coates himself commented on how much white people loved his book and how they were the only race at his readings. A. you hilariously are misquoting/misinterpreting the Coates quote B. I think its wildly disingenuous to say any black person could write any book about the black experience and it would be the critical and commercial success Coates' book was. His book became instantly iconic for a reason, and its not woke white people tumbling over each other to pat themselves on the back.
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I hate both sorts of white men, dead and living.
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Is there any way that that book would have failed in that intellectual climate? Hell no. White progressives were climbing over themselves to find a way to not be associated with white people. Coates himself commented on how much white people loved his book and how they were the only race at his readings. Yeah but I mean do you think the latter part was Coates' goal with the book, or was he surprised that white people were the ones eating it up? Like it sounds like you think it was a cynical cash grab, and not a sincere autobiography written largely to his son
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CestMoi posted:I hate both sorts of white men, dead and living. that means you hate LGTBQ white men and have outed yourself as a hateful bigot
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May 9, 2017 18:01
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I read a really good critique of the circle that said it failed because it undermined the actual horror of social media - the fact no one is really in control. By taking the impossibility of control and turning it into a fully competent cult, you actually end up making the issue less worrying. Eggers should watch Silicon Valley. I'm reading Snow by Orhan Pamuk. I like the narration and acknowledgement of the fact that it is a novel.
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May 9, 2017 18:03
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah but I mean do you think the latter part was Coates' goal with the book, or was he surprised that white people were the ones eating it up? Like it sounds like you think it was a cynical cash grab, and not a sincere autobiography written largely to his son Actually he was saying it bothered him that a book about the black experience to other black people was being culturally analyzed by its value to white people and how we need to break from a critical culture that prioritizes the response of white readers
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Snow is good, but weaker than either The Black Book or My Name Is Red,imo i'm about 800 pp in 2666 and it's ok, but after that + The Third Reich and some shorts I read some years ago, I don't think i'll read any more Bolaño, sorry dudes.
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May 9, 2017 18:05
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Cloks posted:Eggers should watch Silicon Valley. Snow owns
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I just remember another reason why the whole "BTWAM was designed to succeed" thing fails People forget it was released on the exact same day as Go Set a Watchman, the most hyped and advertised book of that entire year. If they were so sure it was gonna be a hit, they would not have put it up against the biggest literary release of the season.
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Cloks posted:Eggers should watch Silicon Valley. My Name Is Red has each of its narrators (most are drawings of inanimate objects) acknowledge you are a reader, this is a book, and Orhan Pamuk is a character himself, as an overly-sensitive child terrified of everything. It's really cool.
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pleasecallmechrist posted:This is about how predictable and superficial American literature has become because progressive ideologies are the only ones that are celebrated and half the time they are only celebrated for being progressive ideologies, such as Dave Eggers *places hands upon chin* Please tell me a book you think deserved greater recognition and didn't receive it because it didn't cater to progessivism
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whatevz fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Eh. I wasn't referring to commercial success. I was talking about how eulogized it was. Hrm yes, one of the foremost respected and admired writers about race in America receiving a prize for thinkers who deal with important issues of the current era is completely ludicrous
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whatevz fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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pleasecallmechrist posted:I don't think Coates catered to progressivism. Eggers does, and DFW certainly did to academia. We both agree that Coates wrote a good book without nefarious intent. I used his book as an example of how predictable readers of modern literature have become, which is the cause of Eggwrs popularity. name a good book in your eyes that failed because it didn't cater to the predictability of modern readers
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pleasecallmechrist posted:Hillbilly Elegy. Which did come out before the election. Oh that Best-selling book that was on a lot of Best of the Year book lists? Yeah, what a sleeper.
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