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What do we want? Soft, Tender Government! When do we want it? At your convenience!
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zegermans posted:you say this and yet you voted for someone who said superpredators once? i'm pro-superpredator
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Frijolero posted:The GOP will never run out of money hth The idea of the GOP running out of money is even more ridiculous when you consider they've spent so much money on elections that they're running ads when there aren't even elections going on. You watch CNN long enough you'll see an ad along the lines of "call your senator today and tell them you support The Grind the poor into meat filler act of 2017". Same thing with democrat donors to be honest actually. Rich people have long passed the point of using money effectively to influence elections, now they're just showing off.
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May 30, 2017 19:27
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i mean, you cant be friends with henry kissinger and write blurbs on his book and NOT be an inhumane monster
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May 30, 2017 19:28
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yeah, about this rear end in a top hat: https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/869565478053834756 earns nearly a million a year but can't afford to pay his employees a livable wage.
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May 30, 2017 19:33
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Frijolero posted:What do we want? Soft, Tender Government! When do we want it? At your convenience!
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May 30, 2017 19:47
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decorum? i hardly knew em
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Ossof isn't "great" but you are a complete and overwhelming moron if you think 1 seat doesn't matter. Almost every single thing passing the house is passing by barely 10+ votes. Unfortunately a lot of people don't have time to wait for accelerationism to pay off
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Venom Snake posted:
and that's why you should support Hillary Clinton in everything she has ever done.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:and that's why you should support Hillary Clinton in everything she has ever done. If you asked Bernie if we would be better off with ossof losing he would call you a loving idiot. "The GOP winning means lots of people will die" =/= "I'm with her"
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May 30, 2017 19:59
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Venom Snake posted:If you asked Bernie if we would be better off with ossof losing he would call you a loving idiot. "The GOP winning means lots of people will die" =/= "I'm with her" lol if you think "what bernie said" has any weight in an old fashion Clinton bloodrage
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It makes you a Bad Dem if you think there is more to be gained symbolically by losing instead of winning. It's the territory of west wing huffers who believes politics is about optics and signaling instead of a brutal war of ideology. You cannot bemoan the Robby "Well I wouldn't want to win the way Trump did" Mook then think Actually It Might Be Better If We Lose
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May 30, 2017 20:03
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fuckin liberals man... whats their deal
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it's like hellooooooo. get with the program folks
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Karl Barks posted:fuckin liberals man... whats their deal they need to get a clue... and pronto!
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I'm in the same boat w Ossoff that I was with HRC, namely "I don't like him but he's better than a fuckin Republican" If he loses I'm really looking forward to being told it's my fault for thinking this
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May 30, 2017 20:07
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hey conservatives.... helping people?? does that ring a bell?? cmon
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paranoid randroid posted:they need to get a clue... and pronto! right on brother
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May 30, 2017 20:10
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Hi thread. Are Dems good again yet?
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I've outlined this handy list regarding the past 2 special elections. Obviously dems have already lost Montana but the points are valid Best case scenario: Dems win both seats, +2 pickup, GOP running scared Next best: Quist wins, Ossof losses. Shows progressive policies have potential to win elections Also good: Quist loses, Ossof wins. +1 pickup, GOP still somewhat scared. Has potential downside of liberalism gaining more ground. Bad: GOP wins both seats. Dems are still failures, death is certain.
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Bilirubin posted:Hi thread. Are Dems good again yet? Not yet.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:But the neoliberal causes of racism, you are totally on-board with, in the name of pragmatism and compromise of course. what about the non-neoliberal causes of racism
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here are my thoughts on the government folks, you ever been to a DMV??? nuff said!!!
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Venom Snake posted:If you asked Bernie if we would be better off with ossof losing he would call you a loving idiot. "The GOP winning means lots of people will die" =/= "I'm with her" Voting for Ossof is fine. Voting for Hillary was fine. What wasn't fine was rushing to their defense whenever someone rightfully points out their lovely policies and deflecting all criticism of them by saying "well they aren't as bad as they could be."
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Main Paineframe posted:what about the non-neoliberal causes of racism Lol. All bad things are from neoliberalism and all non neoliberal things are good.
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Main Paineframe posted:what about the non-neoliberal causes of racism Does it make someone money or get someone votes? Then CC and most dems are on-board!
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anime was right posted:id take an lbj over an obama as long as we got universal healthcare, easier immigration, a higher minimum wage, cheaper housing, etc. would you take a zuckerberg tho
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Ossoff is kind of a little poo poo and in a better world he'd never be allowed to sniff public office. Unfortunately we don't live in that world and, as low a bar as it is, "better than a Republican" is still a factor worth accounting for.
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Venom Snake posted:Unfortunately a lot of people don't have time to wait for accelerationism to pay off lol you ain't worked for Her for months and you still using her lines. as a reminder, a lot of people (as in the ones who straight up didn't vote) saw that they were bound for a bad deal either way and said gently caress it. how many more of these "pragmatic" votes do we have to make before we will truly start the process of forming a committee to explore the possibility of future generations of Democrats maybe thinking about pushing for things other than market-based solutions and trickle-down economics?
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:lol you ain't worked for Her for months and you still using her lines. well, tbh unless you live in georgia you don't have to make a pragmatic vote. even then, it's a smalltime dem who supports death for everyone that's not in the 0.01% in 20 years as opposed to a republican who supports death for everyone next week. as lovely as ossoff is, he's not near controlling every facet of the party unlike she who shall remain nameless, so there's that too
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Venom Snake posted:Ossof isn't "great" but you are a complete and overwhelming moron if you think 1 seat doesn't matter. Almost every single thing passing the house is passing by barely 10+ votes. Venom Snake posted:It makes you a Bad Dem if you think there is more to be gained symbolically by losing instead of winning. It's the territory of west wing huffers who believes politics is about optics and signaling instead of a brutal war of ideology. You cannot bemoan the Robby "Well I wouldn't want to win the way Trump did" Mook then think Actually It Might Be Better If We Lose can u put this in the context of the recent races in KS and MT and explain what the gently caress the dumbass democrat strategy is then besides contribute vortually nothing and crow about how only losing by single digits is some victory to be lauded, lol
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Al! posted:would you take a zuckerberg tho if i could somehow guarantee he'd do those things, yes. it turns how a huge advantage of having politicians run for president is they have voting records you can scrutinize.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:yeah, about this rear end in a top hat: I can't figure out how to work that link to come up with that number
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loquacius posted:I'm in the same boat w Ossoff that I was with HRC, namely "I don't like him but he's better than a fuckin Republican" have you been making the requisite "I'm with him!" posts on your social media accounts? if not, you are direcrly responsible for ossoff's loss, no matter his campaigns strategy or platform, sorry, them's the breaks
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Thoguh posted:The short term impact of Ossof winning or losing is negligible. Longer term I see him losing as a positive because he represents the wing of the party that has lost everything all around the country. So for more and better change in 2018 and beyond him losing is the preferred outcome. i agree, and thats why they put so much money behind orsof, they're still #resisting becoming progressive 
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I mean, maybe we could actually win elections if we had candidates who could listen to criticism from within the party and respond to those criticisms in a credible way that could resonate with voters without the need of lanyards shouting them down as wanting the Republicans to win. ...but that would actually mean both growing and showing a backbone and what would our donors think?!?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Voting for Ossof is fine. Voting for Hillary was fine. What wasn't fine was rushing to their defense whenever someone rightfully points out their lovely policies and deflecting all criticism of them by saying "well they aren't as bad as they could be." That isn't what he's saying though? He's saying "you're a fuckin shmuck if you think the dems should take a knee because ~my party purity~ Purity is for winners. Go for red seats in 2018 and primary every bad dem you can
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