|
Quidthulhu posted:MMT you are harping on something that has absolutely no merit to my case whatsoever. I've already said that I haven't really reviewed all the N0 setup spec stuff and have been looking more at what people are saying about it / each other because I think that's more useful. You are picking some Hats quotes that are before the delineation I posted of my suspicion, which again, timeline wise goes like this Quidthulhu posted:I am not trying to throw shade on you, I am continuing to point out that you are nitpicking and asking questions that don't jive with...anything that's important? I would have thought you would have dismissed this whole thing as "ok so clearly we misunderstood each other" but the fact that you're continuing to push this narrative of my faking content here when I've clearly laid out for you my thought process three times....I think it's you who's faking content, MMT. quid is doing what quid always do. i don't think he's wrong and i think casing him off that is goofy.
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 18:17 |
|
|
Somberbrero posted:bird suggests thunderdome. King Burgundy posted:What do you think of Gif's evolution of opinion on me?
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:36
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:I don't think that's what you're doing. I think you are harping on people for not having perfect composure in their replies, the points you've made are completely subjective and have almost no bearing on alignment. That is ridiculous. I have said multiple times I was suspicious of Mac because he acknowledged his clear annoyance only when it was convenient to bolster his argument, when it weakened his position he pretended it wasn't happening. That isn't about having a single reaction I didn't like, that's about trying to form a positive narrative for yourself. There's a huge difference.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:36
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:Apparently not everyone thinks we are susp for working hard!! I mean our game to work together finally and not have you just lurk or me fakecasing you! Whatever happens in the wider game at least we had this moment
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:37
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:I figured out that gif probst may be John Cena? Anyway something pinged me about him yesterday but I can't remember what. that's kinda glowku's postus operandi. The Ninth Layer posted:I don't think that's what you're doing. I think you are harping on people for not having perfect composure in their replies, the points you've made are completely subjective and have almost no bearing on alignment. wrong! = scum?
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:37
|
|
|
Birdstrike posted:folks I have an idea That is not what a Thunderdome is, man. You can only call a Thunderdome if you're going into the Thunderdome yourself, on someone who you are so sure is Scum that you put your life on the line. You do not run Bartertown.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:37
|
|
|
Haha yay Bif respects me as a mafia player now 
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:38
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:FURTHERMORE: Quid immediately rushes to discredit my opinions after I voted him. Classy.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:38
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:Quid immediately rushes to discredit my opinions after I voted him. Classy. have you been hit in the head
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:39
|
|
|
Why would I let what at face value looks like a lovely rear end half baked completely hypocritical case about myself stand without debunking, especially when I know I am town???
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:39
|
|
|
Lumpen posted:That is not what a Thunderdome is, man. You can only call a Thunderdome if you're going into the Thunderdome yourself, on someone who you are so sure is Scum that you put your life on the line. but who DO run bartertown 🤔🤔🤔
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:40
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:Haha yay Bif respects me as a mafia player now Hey I forgot to ask, what was that dice roll thing in Myst you were taking about before? It sounded like fun gossip
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:41
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:I found myself agreeing with most of what Murmur Twin had to say about Lord of Hats and disagreeing with Bif and Bird suggesting she's running interference for him. I do think Lord of Hats is scummy for focusing on a flavor flip that would be fairly easy for scum to talk about but I don't get the impression there was some huge agenda behind that discussion or that Hats was trying to mislead/distract with that conversation. Likewise I don't see Murmur Twin as stepping in to shield Hats, it's not like he's some overwhelming suspicion target.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:42
|
|
|
Lumpen posted:Bah gawd that's LUMPEN'S music! Bif re-votes me because he "wants to find out if my setup spec is legit or not" Bif says that the scum are lining him up for a vote d2 when I flip town
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:43
|
|
|
Bifauxnen posted:Hey I forgot to ask, what was that dice roll thing in Myst you were taking about before? It sounded like fun gossip Oh pera just made a big deal in my character sheet about NOT REVEALING MY SECRET and then when I was not in chat someone mentioned mothers and I failed a secret dice roll that I didn't know was going to happen and she had my character make a face, basically putting me down the path to revealing my secret without my consent!!! I was annoyed but I didn't understand how the game was gonna work I guess 
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:45
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:That is ridiculous. I have said multiple times I was suspicious of Mac because he acknowledged his clear annoyance only when it was convenient to bolster his argument, when it weakened his position he pretended it wasn't happening. Being annoyed in a Mafia game has nothing to do with alignment though. So who cares how up front Mac was about how annoyed he was? What does that have to do with alignment at all?
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:46
|
|
|
Lumpen posted:I read Lord of Hats post but nothing else you've mentioned and this post seems disingenuous in the italicized part, I don't think you really think that. *ping* I'm phone posting so I have to be a bit economical with language, I think the italicized portion of that quote would be a better argument than the one actually advanced on Hats.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:47
|
|
|
The Lord of Hats posted:Bif re-votes me because he "wants to find out if my setup spec is legit or not" She, btw. I don't normally bother correcting but I may have confused you when mentioning my character before. I'm not a guy but my guy is a guy Also lol at people trying to scrape up whatever they can off that "scum lining me up" post, it was a direct response to Birb asking "what I would do" if you were town, so that's what I'd expect to be doing
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:48
|
|
|
Bifauxnen posted:She, btw. I don't normally bother correcting but I may have confused you when mentioning my character before. I'm not a guy but my guy is a guy Ah, poo poo, sorry. I'm usually careful to avoid that.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:48
|
|
|
The Lord of Hats posted:Ah, poo poo, sorry. I'm usually careful to avoid that. No apology needed just correcting my own misinformation!
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:50
|
|
|
Someone show me the most opportunistic bullshit disingenuous shade thrown so far. Someone tell me who seems to be generally accepted as Town so far but doesn't deserve that cred.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:51
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:Being annoyed in a Mafia game has nothing to do with alignment though. So who cares how up front Mac was about how annoyed he was? What does that have to do with alignment at all? Are you reading what I am saying? Little Mac did the following: -INSISTED he wasn't annoyed -Turned around and said "of course I was annoyed" when it helped his argument That's a contradiction. It doesn't matter what it was, it shows he's flip flopping to attempt to make the narrative show him in a better light. He could have easily have done the following -INSISTED that tomatoes aren't fruit -Turned around and said "of course tomatoes are a fruit" when it helped his argument Yes, feeling tomatoes are or aren't fruits doesn't mean you are scum, but that's not what I'm talking about here.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:52
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:Being annoyed in a Mafia game has nothing to do with alignment though. So who cares how up front Mac was about how annoyed he was? What does that have to do with alignment at all? If Quid is correct, the point is LM was lying/changed his story. That very much has to do with alignment. It's actually the only point in that whole thing I can kind of see.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:53
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:-Turned around and said "of course I was annoyed" when it helped his argument when
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:53
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:I'm phone posting so I have to be a bit economical with language, I think the italicized portion of that quote would be a better argument than the one actually advanced on Hats.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:55
|
|
|
Little Mac posted:Like how do you read that as "angry" rather than "flippant?" Is this the post you're reading as the "annoyed" post?
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:56
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:That is ridiculous. I have said multiple times I was suspicious of Mac because he acknowledged his clear annoyance only when it was convenient to bolster his argument, when it weakened his position he pretended it wasn't happening.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:57
|
|
|
Quid here feels like town Quid, although I don't really agree with his cases I can understand them. I also agree that TNL's case is bad. A bad case doesn't necessarily mean scum, but I don't like how he tried to discredit Quid defending himself from a bad case.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 19:59
|
|
|
FYI it's dota time now and I'm here off and on and will try to pay attention closer to deadline, but no promises.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:01
|
|
|
Lumpen posted:Someone show me the most opportunistic bullshit disingenuous shade thrown so far. The whole exchange with me and MT, but especially this: Bifauxnen posted:MT do you believe I have not scumhunted sufficiently in this game Murmur Twin posted:As I mentioned before, no I don't. I think you're trying to get Hats lynched without making any effort to determine his alignment, and I feel like that last block of quotes I just posted backs me up. Lumpen posted:Someone tell me who seems to be generally accepted as Town so far but doesn't deserve that cred. Hal isn't generally accepted as town so much as he's generally excluded when bringing up lurkers, but thats the best answer I can give in the spirit of the question. All the more active people seem to have a good mix of supporters and detractors.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:01
|
|
|
This was my original point about LM's behavior:Quidthulhu posted:##vote Little Mac And it was based on my read of the following: Little Mac posted:Like lol if you think any of you are confirmed town or some bullshit. I'm not jumping on some dumb train. I will say, however, being "Vengeance-aligned" should have (TOWN) right next to it. This is clearly an annoyed post and Bif comments on LMac's behavior: Bifauxnen posted:it's not that knowing the flavor makes you confirmed town, LMac. It's how you observe people trying to use it, trying to suss things out. For example, you just dropping it in a big steaming pile here to make everything obvious for everyone now seems to be a scummy use of it. Which sends him in to the rapid fire "annoyance" I was talking about, three posts in a row: Little Mac posted:"make everything obvious" Little Mac posted:drat scum little mac you gave away the game that we're town by saying the name of the town alignment WHAT A SCUM IDIOT Little Mac posted:I would presume that a large portion of the game is Vengeance-aligned and knew what you guys were talking about. I would also presume that scum knew as well. Like, all of this discussion seems specious at best. The alignment is confusing but I don't see it as a way to confirm or not confirm anyone who has talked about it thus far. Bif votes, commenting on his anger: Bifauxnen posted:I think a more townie reaction in this situation would have been thoughtful concern over reading people as town too easily for simply knowing flavor. Not this angry "lol so you guys think you're all confirmed town now?! Well NO MORE TOWNIE FEELS FOR YOU NOW, I'M GONNA TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME" LM says "I'm not angry man" Little Mac posted:I think the fact that you're believing each other to be cleared could very easily bite us in the rear end late in the game. You're reading anger when there is none. I just think your "strategy" is pretty loving dumb. I'm vanilla so killing me won't hurt the town much, though. Reinforces it here: Little Mac posted:lol "went off" And FINALLY we get the real reason he's actually mad: Little Mac posted:I claimed vanilla lol So maybe I was reaching there but on my initial read of it happening in almost real time I read this as "Of course I'm annoyed in this game, I'm Vanilla"
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:03
|
|
|
Bifauxnen posted:Hal isn't generally accepted as town so much as he's generally excluded when bringing up lurkers, but thats the best answer I can give in the spirit of the question. All the more active people seem to have a good mix of supporters and detractors. I agree with this.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:03
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:Are you reading what I am saying? This is an exceptionally bad analogy. Emotional states are a far cry from fruit classifications. Also unlike tomatoes, emotional states tend to fluctuate. I've already addressed this too. When asked "u mad bro" most people aren't going to respond with "yeah I'm really mad!" even outside of the context of playing a game in which players have to lie. You're rolling with an assumption here that I don't think is true at all.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:07
|
|
|
Asiina posted:Quid here feels like town Quid, although I don't really agree with his cases I can understand them. ??? I pointed out how he took the rest of my post unrelated to him and tried to discredit that too.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:08
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:This is an exceptionally bad analogy. Emotional states are a far cry from fruit classifications. Also unlike tomatoes, emotional states tend to fluctuate. Uhhhh whenever I'm clearly posting in a rapid fire "I'm pissed manner" if someone goes "man you're upset" I'm gonna go "YEAH I'm loving UPSET" because I'm in the middle of being upset
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:11
|
|
|
But even if you disagree you just completely blew up your own argument by stating that you think I'm just making an incorrect assumption. You didn't just say you think I'm pushing a false narrative assumption to my advantage.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:12
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:Uhhhh whenever I'm clearly posting in a rapid fire "I'm pissed manner" if someone goes "man you're upset" I'm gonna go "YEAH I'm loving UPSET" because I'm in the middle of being upset You're not everyone.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:18
|
|
|
Quidthulhu posted:But even if you disagree you just completely blew up your own argument by stating that you think I'm just making an incorrect assumption. You didn't just say you think I'm pushing a false narrative assumption to my advantage. I'm phone posting on a bouncing bus forgive me for not taking the time to call you scum in every post.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:20
|
|
|
OK, all caught up again. Effortposts coming in but in the meantime:peramene posted:I did, and it's backfired mildly. I'm useless d1. I've shared what I thought and I've answered critiques. Nothing else is really all that compelling so far. This is kind of a meta call but I find it nearly impossible to believe that you have no opinions on a pages-long argument (the first of its kind I think?) between me and bif
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 18:17 |
|
|
Murmur Twin posted:OK, all caught up again. Effortposts coming in but in the meantime: This is a good point I'll admit
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2017 20:27
|
|