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I'm honestly not sure if the funniest option is "Both our jump points lead to the same system" or "The UT jump point leads to an empty system with only one jump point leading here, and this system is so good they made the treaty to get it" The second one probably makes war inevitable if that affects the comedy.
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I am shocked the Hive Mind didn't select the shoot first option. That said, our fleets are still in no shape to fight a war with Earth. Have dinner and lets see what info we can get out of this Commodore before his superiors tell him to shut up.
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Sep 18, 2017 16:09
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Let's have dinner and then reinforce our system. If Earth didn't figure out where our jump point went first before granting us exclusive rights to whats on the other side, that's their problem.
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Sep 18, 2017 16:12
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Theoretically we have exclusive rights to the jump point. Not what's behind it. Though the spirit of the rule is pretty obvious.
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Sep 18, 2017 16:15
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I say we just stall a war from breaking out long enough for our gatebuilder to get the gate up on the Sol side, then blitz through a few million colonists and slap them on Rangi V before Earth can do anything. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, after all. Definitely don't shoot anyone now, though, have dinner instead.
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Sep 18, 2017 16:21
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Agreeing with the majority here. Have dinner with the nice commodore and see what information we can extract from him over a bottle of smooth Martian red wine.
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Sep 18, 2017 16:28
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The Discord conclusion is to waste time and beat them to colonizing, which we can probably do since we have gate tech. Then we just give them the finger and say it's ours. We need to get them away from the planet in the meantime though. Let's do dinner and demand that the planet be left alone until a settlement is reached.
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Sep 18, 2017 16:55
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Hey boss, when do we eat? This is great.  I love it.
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Sep 18, 2017 17:01
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Have dinner, what's the worst that could happen?
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Sep 18, 2017 17:08
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If the situation were reversed Mars would totally declare war for this system, yea? Let's not crush all hope of them exploring the ruins. Create some sort of research committee in the hopes of creating an espionage and diplomacy battleground instead of a spaceship one.
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Sep 18, 2017 17:11
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Not Alex posted:If the situation were reversed Mars would totally declare war for this system, yea? Let's not crush all hope of them exploring the ruins. Create some sort of research committee in the hopes of creating an espionage and diplomacy battleground instead of a spaceship one. hell why not just offer them to colonize the moon or relinquish all rights to the system while we are at it groveling before any shots are fired?
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Sep 18, 2017 17:14
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Have dinner with these fine upstanding gentlemen/women.
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Sep 18, 2017 17:17
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Dine. We need to rebuild ships and infrastructure before we go against the UT. Assuming this isnt a case of their jump point going to the same place ours does we can use this to hurt their reputation with Titan and Uranus
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Sep 18, 2017 17:18
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Crazyeyes24 posted:I am shocked the Hive Mind didn't select the shoot first option. That said, our fleets are still in no shape to fight a war with Earth. Have dinner and lets see what info we can get out of this Commodore before his superiors tell him to shut up. The group of officers needs to include the gassy engineer, there's your 'shots fired' option.
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Sep 18, 2017 17:23
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I suppose the question is, did the Terrans know about this system before offering us the deal, and if so, how much are their analysts panicking over our mutual defense treaty?
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Sep 18, 2017 17:27
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Oh, Earth had to have known about Rangi before proposing the JP treaty. It's the best explanation for how they were so eager to get it signed and gave up Uranus without a fight. They just didn't know that our JP led to it, too.
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Chucking in my vote for Have dinner. Also, if they ask at dinner how we got here we should show our superior Martian scientists & their lemon-powered thinking caps. *edited because my phone eats grammar for breakfast. Tactical_Torpedo fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 17:34
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We should totally just play it as being no big deal that we have jump travel. Just no big deal for the superior Martian scientist.
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Sep 18, 2017 17:41
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xthetenth posted:We should totally just play it as being no big deal that we have jump travel. Just no big deal for the superior Martian scientist. "lmao we've had this poo poo for like 5 years whats the big deal?"
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Sep 18, 2017 17:57
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Agean90 posted:"lmao we've had this poo poo for like 5 years whats the big deal?" Oh my god yes do this. And ask what they're doing in our ruins, and what they've done with our science team that was totally there and now isn't answering our hails 
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Sep 18, 2017 17:59
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xthetenth posted:We should totally just play it as being no big deal that we have jump travel. Just no big deal for the superior Martian scientist. "Of course we have jump tech. We thought you knew. Why would you have been negotiating about jump points if you didn't think we had this old school tech? While we're blowing your minds, watch this!" *makes grand show of pulling out communicator and calling back to the flagship* "Oh look, we have this magic box that lets us hear people from across vast distances!"
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Sep 18, 2017 18:01
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Going to dine is the only option.Agean90 posted:"lmao we've had this poo poo for like 5 years whats the big deal?" This is the perfect reaction.
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Sep 18, 2017 18:02
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Crazycryodude posted:Oh, Earth had to have known about Rangi before proposing the JP treaty. It's the best explanation for how they were so eager to get it signed and gave up Uranus without a fight. They just didn't know that our JP led to it, too. Yeah. They would not have made the treaty just assuming Mars would not detect their fleet coming back through the JP they supposedly have never entered, and even if they claimed it was a loop and they were just exploring a new JP they found, eventually the lie would be disproved. Unless they're planning on killing or subjugating everyone in the known universe, earning themselves a reputation for untrustworthiness and a history of negotiating treaties in bad faith... is a rather undesirable idea not worth the additional upfront concessions/payments that would be required for anyone to be willing to engage them deals from that point onward. Not worth what they would gain for a territorial claim. It would cost less to build jump-capable freighters just to plunk a prefabricated PDC on any planet and say "gently caress off, this is our territory and if you want it, go ahead and start a war you're 100% guaranteed to lose." Separately from the JP/treaty/sovereignty/territory issue, it would be reasonable to consider that so far narrative verisimilitude tends to take priority over Aurora game mechanics and take into account reality+history; unless Saros is roleplaying KGB Alumnus SpacePutin as having gotten multiple lobotomies, it would be irresponsible not to assume that UT most likely already knows enough via spies to draw the conclusion that Mars definitely has Jump Point Theory tech and maybe jump drives. There are tens of millions of workers in those shipyards and labs, enough that sooner or later someone will talk and reveal what technology is being researched and what has been developed already. Even if the workers don't know what the hardware is or how it works "extremely secretive classified project," plus N fabrication(s) requiring 100 tons of Uridium and 100 Duranium each, equals "Mars just built some Grav Survey Ships" to an intelligence analyst. So there is really no point in special maneuvers or pretending that those ships are anything else. ...and since basically the only ship components that use Sorium are related to jump technology (its other use is as fuel to push ships around while disregarding physics) because apparently it's the TN element that does spacetime voodoo. Sorium+Duranium with a 1:1 ratio is a jumpdrive. Sorium+Boronide+Duranium 2:1:3 is a Jump Gate Construction module, and even if they don't have the tech for gate construction modules that is at least enough to indicate that there's some as-yet-undeveloped technology to start researching ASAP. Risking a war just to keep secrets that are already out? When there's little to gain by hiding them? Bad idea. drat that's a lot of words to say it is both pointless and dangerous to try and keep anything secret. ...also since Mars suddenly started building jump-related hardware without spending billions of man-hours researching it, they know Mars' jump technology came from somewhere else. Which would be enough to come up with a decent conjecture about what has actually been going on at Pluto.
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Sep 18, 2017 18:55
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Dinner, as long as they are willing to stop surveying for now. Otherwise kill them.
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silentsnack posted:also since Mars suddenly started building jump-related hardware without spending billions of man-hours researching it, they know Mars' jump technology came from somewhere else. Which would be enough to come up with a decent conjecture about what has actually been going on at Pluto. That's why we just play it off as "lol wait you guys didn't know we've had this poo poo for a decade?" Even if they don't buy it, this dude's face will be hilarious.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:00
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 PThigh's decides to accept the Terran's offer of a evening meal even if it is actally nearly lunchtime Martian standard time.  After an hour and a half of transit the ships pick their way through the debris field and take up a position 100km from the Terran ships. The rest of the survey ships scatter to perform surveys and spread out the ships while the Dubious distinction makes for the Jump point to report back.  After arrival the Pater Familias detaches to begin a series of close passes over the planet and high resolution scans using its advanced sensors. Morrow Jr estimates that it will take about 11 days to produce a comprehensive (preliminary) report on the planet and its ruins. Staging a quick raid on the engineering bay and cleaning out an aghast petty officer of his "Williamsbrews" (Martian wine and spirits are considered absolutely ghastly and to be avoided in all but the most extreme of circumstances, all true dusters drink beer) PThighs and his XO head for the shuttlebay.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:14
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Hope those officers have a plan in case they're just being lured into a trap of being hostages so the Terrans think we won't fire (or fire back). Because I don't, beyond "Put their name on a memorial when we get home after we blow up those ships."
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Sep 18, 2017 19:21
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If they kidnap me, kill them. My wife left me, my dog died, why do you think I volunteered for this mission anyways?
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Sep 18, 2017 19:28
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pthighs posted:If they kidnap me, kill them. My wife left me, my dog died, why do you think I volunteered for this mission anyways? A true Martian hero.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:34
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pthighs posted:If they kidnap me, kill them. My wife left me, my dog died, why do you think I volunteered for this mission anyways? To get eaten by Azathoth. I love this twist.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:37
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Crazycryodude posted:Oh my god yes do this. And ask what they're doing in our ruins, and what they've done with our science team that was totally there and now isn't answering our hails "Why didnt you guys anounce it  ""Did you miss one of our moons getting blown up? Weve been busy bud"
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Sep 18, 2017 19:55
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Why would we dine with them? We should be insisting this system is our property via the treaty and escorting them out of the system. They certainly shouldn't be allowed to continue to collect data about the planet.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:00
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We'd been arguing for a while and nobody wanted to budge. I guess the UT folks were getting hungry and wanted to 
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two_step posted:Why would we dine with them? We should be insisting this system is our property via the treaty and escorting them out of the system. They certainly shouldn't be allowed to continue to collect data about the planet. Listen, Terran food is a rare delicacy. Martian plants just can't get the exotic flavoring of Terran Spices down, and don't get me started on IC food. It's like a loving....paste? It's poo poo. If Terrans are good for one thing, it's cooking.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:20
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Before we start dealing with the legal & political issues regarding territorial claims to this system, I'd like some confirmation that these Terran ships are from the same reality & time as us. For all we know JP's are rips in the fabric of the universe that can transport us into the past or future, or even alternate realities. We could be talking to UT forces 6 months or a year from now, or UT forces from an alternate universe where Mars lost the IC war.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:31
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Nevets posted:Before we start dealing with the legal & political issues regarding territorial claims to this system, I'd like some confirmation that these Terran ships are from the same reality & time as us. For all we know JP's are rips in the fabric of the universe that can transport us into the past or future, or even alternate realities. By that logic, they could also be cannibals. I'm sure they'll enjoy having you for dinner.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:45
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Might not be a bad time to revisit my proposed framework for JP and interstellar passage treaties. In this context, it'd give us both guaranteed rights of passage through either JP, while allowing us to maintain our pre-agreed exclusive ownership of the systems originally agreed too (I'm operating under the logical assumption that there is no way we give up our newfound system to Terra), and would reduce tensions in the future if this were to happen again, elsewhere in the jump chain. https://forums.somethingawful.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=476213472 Leif. posted:Here's what I'd like to see re: jump points and ownership.
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Sep 18, 2017 22:26
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What would the chances have been that, had we not pinged them, we could have snuck up on them before they knew we were there? Maybe could have pulled off boarding actions and gotten a couple Terran ships and research out of the deal? We are where are, but I'm curious, and it may be relevant sooner than later.
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Sep 18, 2017 22:51
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Well, we have no marines in system and our marine ships are too big to use the current jump drives.
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