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timp posted:Yes except once every 48 hours. No idea why it worked (works?) that way but yeah that's what it was. They wouldn't have enough space and other resources to arrest all of them every night.
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Yea I think Gary Car is doing an amazing job. I specifically started thinking this during the engaging coke scene w/ Emily Meade, and then again later when he's amping himself up to stab the kidnapping murderer, he's basically communicating to the audience what's about to happen. I remember watching that scene and thinking "why is he so loving crazy right now"??? It was really well done on his part. The show also kind of sets the audience up by showing women being alone w/ strange, random men over and over, there's even the bait and switch of the role-play rapist in Episode 1.
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Fun episode (if you can call a show about exploitating women fun, what can you do). But I seriously found that angry red bearded guy yelling about his machines to be the most unbelievable thing I've seen in a David Simon production. There at least TWO different mob outfits that tell you to gently caress off, and you still go in there acting like a cartoon to shoot your way into profitability? There's lots of idiots out there but this guy was 1 dimensional. Then after he gets knocked out, then what? No reprecussions, him just being KOed like, again, a cartoon and everyone still manages to have a good time? Why didn't he just come back if his death wish was to shoot something in that bar then? What'd they even do with him anyway? Just odd.
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timp posted:Yes except once every 48 hours. No idea why it worked (works?) that way but yeah that's what it was. I think the cops were using the hooker arrests to pad out their numbers, which is why the brass let them know it was a no-go zone in this latest ep.
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Shageletic posted:But I seriously found that angry red bearded guy yelling about his machines to be the most unbelievable thing I've seen in a David Simon production. There at least TWO different mob outfits that tell you to gently caress off, and you still go in there acting like a cartoon to shoot your way into profitability? There's lots of idiots out there but this guy was 1 dimensional. You're misinterpreting what happened imo. I think it's possible for mafia members to respect shows of force or strength, if you want something take it kind of attitude. The Irish mafia was definitely going to rough them up until the Italians explained their business interest. But James Franco is not in the mafia or a 'made' guy so if you're feeling salty about money being stolen from you, maybe go get it back with a gun?? And if that doesn't work, well at least you tried. This is believe-able for me in a show about prostitutes, porn, and how many different bars James Franco can inhabit. It was also the culmination to the upcoming bouncer's origin story which, judging by his previous scenes, kind-of came out of nowhere! Miss Lonelyhearts fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Man this show is good. Seconding just how good Maggie Gyllenhal was when she got turned down for learning the "film business" and got told she could stand up front and be pretty instead. I was positive that Larry was just stringing Darlene along to make her feel relaxed so he could punish her later for being late/not getting paid double. It wasn't until I saw his reaction to her reading/chatting with Abby that I started to think that maybe he was just genuinely being nice, though now he's having second thoughts/getting worried. CC is scary because he manages to make everything seem so reasonable, and his exploitation is so smoothly shielded as guidance/mentoring. Which is why I loved Abby's  reaction to his "Educated but not intelligent" line.
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Jerusalem posted:I was positive that Larry was just stringing Darlene along to make her feel relaxed so he could punish her later for being late/not getting paid double. It wasn't until I saw his reaction to her reading/chatting with Abby that I started to think that maybe he was just genuinely being nice, though now he's having second thoughts/getting worried. Yeah, they seem to be setting up a dichotomy between Larry (outwardly brutish, inwardly human) and C.C. (outwardly civilized, inwardly monstrous.) At the end of the day they're both pretty heinous shitbags but they're definitely cool and interesting characters in their own ways.
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I said it before, but I think by the end of the season, Larry would be considered the "nicest" of all the pimps. In David Simon's world, this means he'll get unceremoniously murdered some time soon.
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isme posted:I said it before, but I think by the end of the season, Larry would be considered the "nicest" of all the pimps. In David Simon's world, this means he'll get unceremoniously murdered some time soon. 
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deoju posted:I noticed a couple more connections to the Wire in episode 2... Also a modified "you thinking short when you should be thinking long" from C.C. in episode 3
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So is this going to be like The Wire where all of my favourite characters end up dead and they keep introducing new groups with an interest in keeping control of the sex trade in New York?
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DariusLikewise posted:So is this going to be like The Wire where all of my favourite characters end up dead and they keep introducing new groups with an interest in keeping control of the sex trade in New York? I hope so!
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DariusLikewise posted:So is this going to be like The Wire where all of my favourite characters end up dead and they keep introducing new groups with an interest in keeping control of the sex trade in New York? CC is going to be Marlo Stanfield. Murder a bunch of people and run off the sunset as a millionaire. Larry would be like D'Angelo and get murdered unceremoniously. Rodney would be like Proposition Joe and ironically die to a Cheese character. Darlene would be like Randy. Smart and savvy but get screwed by the system badly. And on...and on...
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DariusLikewise posted:So is this going to be like The Wire where all of my favourite characters end up dead and they keep introducing new groups with an interest in keeping control of the sex trade in New York? ...How do you feel about Franco's characters?
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How murders are drug related vs how many are prostitution related? I'd guess fewer and that the Deuce won't be as bloody as the Wire by extension since authenticity is important to Simon. Just a hunch.
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Richie the communist pimp cracks me up. "She owns the vagina of production man"
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Weird to see so much gushing about this show First couple episodes were good but now the show is just dragging on into nothing
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oswald ownenstein posted:Weird to see so much gushing about this show Yeah honestly I feel the same way. I don't know what most of the characters want or how they're going to get there. Maggie Gyllenhaal wants to make movies, Paul wants to have his own gay bar, and the writer lady wants to write a story, but the rest of them just sort of exist. It's getting a little too heavy on the slice-of-life side of things and I wish there were more plot.
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Trillhouse posted:Yeah honestly I feel the same way. I don't know what most of the characters want or how they're going to get there. Maggie Gyllenhaal wants to make movies, Paul wants to have his own gay bar, and the writer lady wants to write a story, but the rest of them just sort of exist. It's getting a little too heavy on the slice-of-life side of things and I wish there were more plot. I'm about halfway with you guys on this. The dead mark (and the rat in the theater) felt like somebody's story that the writers had to work into the show, one of those too-good-not-to-tell anecdotes you're always looking for a reason to share. That slice-of-life stuff is sometimes funny and sometimes insightful and important in real life but ultimately boring in storytelling if it doesn't lead anywhere (e.g. most of Treme, or McNulty and his kids in The Wire) - but I think it's leading somewhere here. What's Deep Throat or The Devil in Miss Jones compared to the Mouth That Killed a Man? That said, I lost interest in Treme because there wasn't a lot of forward motion, and I hope they don't make the same mistake here. I don't think they will, even if they're willing to trade momentum for a few funny stories.
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I feel like whatever the mobster just promised as "this is your future" has got to set up some serious plot developments or else yeah, show is spinning wheels. But speaking of The Wire, don't forget that show had like half a season of basically setup and prequel until the actual episode called The Wire really kicked off the plot proper.
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3Romeo posted:I'm about halfway with you guys on this. The dead mark (and the rat in the theater) felt like somebody's story that the writers had to work into the show, one of those too-good-not-to-tell anecdotes you're always looking for a reason to share. Those incidents also give Candy a lot more motivation to decide that it is time for a career change.
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I think that everything happening to Candy is to emphasize just how awful her life is - the indignities that she suffers as part of her job - to create an appreciable difference when she switches (I'm assuming) to films.
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withak posted:Those incidents also give Candy a lot more motivation to decide that it is time for a career change. Cloks posted:I think that everything happening to Candy is to emphasize just how awful her life is - the indignities that she suffers as part of her job - to create an appreciable difference when she switches (I'm assuming) to films. I agree, but I think the "wheels spinning" critique applies to the way they're showing Candy's indignities. In the last few episodes, we've seen her handle multiple shithead pimps, look into more than one cracked hotel mirror, talk about fairness to a whiny kid, provide work money to her child her mother is taking care of, have a rat scare her, deal with cold potato Viking cum, get told she's better on her back than behind a camera, and have a fat guy die while he's getting a blowjob then get sardonically celebrated for the power of her mouth. I mean, it's meant to show that she's tough (she is) and that she has an incredible resilience (she does) and that it's never just one thing that takes someone to their breaking point, but when you're showing the same stuff over and over it's easy for the viewer to lose interest. But like Orange Devil said - The Wire was about the slowest burn in modern television, but it paid off. I can't believe the same thing won't happen here. ` Asbury fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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3Romeo posted:I'm about halfway with you guys on this. The dead mark (and the rat in the theater) felt like somebody's story that the writers had to work into the show, one of those too-good-not-to-tell anecdotes you're always looking for a reason to share. That slice-of-life stuff is sometimes funny and sometimes insightful and important in real life but ultimately boring in storytelling if it doesn't lead anywhere (e.g. most of Treme, or McNulty and his kids in The Wire) - but I think it's leading somewhere here. What's Deep Throat or The Devil in Miss Jones compared to the Mouth That Killed a Man? I'm not ready to give up on the show and I can see where some of the characters are going, I just wish it would stop dragging its feet. There's some great performances, I love the setting and characters, but in the end I'm a plothound that's starting to lose patience. I felt the same way about Treme re: plot but I think the Deuce is much more interesting otherwise.
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The scenes with candy arent making any points about her, they're making points about prostitution. Candy doesnt have a pimp, she speaks about prostitution as if is like any other job, she isnt on drugs and doesnt have a history of sexual abuse; but even though she is living the life of the libertarian ideal woman the work has traumatised her. She is suspicious of men outside of her working environment and she is cant separate the intimacy she wants from the intimacy she, with a business like coldness, sells every night. I think the show is great and entertaining as it is though possibly a bit split up, it feels as if there could be one even better show just about the prostitutes or one just about the bars right now.
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Also maggie really got the short end of the stick compared to her brother She was pretty attractive in donnie darko but time has not been kind
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The reporter using D'Angelo for her story might have been the most David Simon thing so far.
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So Sepinwall in his review acts like this is the first time Vincent and Abby slept together, but weren't they already hooking up in the first episode? Or did I mistake her for another character? e: also jfc the actress who plays Abby is 37 years old
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Escobarbarian posted:So Sepinwall in his review acts like this is the first time Vincent and Abby slept together, but weren't they already hooking up in the first episode? Or did I mistake her for another character? No loving way 
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Episode wasn't great, I actually fell asleep while watching it and I'm not sure if I'll be able to convince myself to watch it again. I'll probably just check out the next episode and not feel like I've missed anything important at all. Not good, but I'm not ready to write it off yet.
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Escobarbarian posted:So Sepinwall in his review acts like this is the first time Vincent and Abby slept together, but weren't they already hooking up in the first episode? Or did I mistake her for another character? Jesus what's she doing, bathing in the blood of virgins?
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Escobarbarian posted:e: also jfc the actress who plays Abby is 37 years old Anyhow, I don't get the "spinning wheels" critique. I don't remember ANY show, even the ones I love like GoT, that has made a full hour go by as quickly as this one.
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What does everyone think the mob is offering Vincent? Either a porn studio or a casino/brothel? Either would push the story into a more high-stakes game I would think.
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An underground casino could make sense since he's proven to be trusted with money and good with people. Was the mob actually involved in the porn industry? While sleazy, that always seemed like an industry that was usually run legally.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Was the mob actually involved in the porn industry? While sleazy, that always seemed like an industry that was usually run legally. Probably.
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They have the character Matthew Ianniello, who is a Genovese family boss known for all the adult entertainment around Times Square.
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They are offering him a rub and tug parlour which if records are right the mob opened with Lindsay ok to get hookers off the street to show he was cleaning up the city. The mob was heavily involved in early porn but no one really knows how much. I've read a few oral histories of the time period and some guys say a ton and some say they only where involved in the early pre golden age days. The only thing everyone agrees on is Deep Throat was not paid for by mob money and Traci Lords took them all for a ride.
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