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Yes and all the autocrats and petty cronies will just.... merge their departments with the Martian versions and not constantly play crony politics like they have their entire lives? Like, that'd be the smart, rational thing to do. Earth is neither of those things. They're motivated by personal short-term greed over all else.
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Crazycryodude posted:They're motivated by personal short-term greed over all else. Quote by Military Commander motivated by personal power growth and short-term gains.
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Oct 10, 2017 04:39
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Crazycryodude posted:30 different factions of warlords and FYGM'ers are the easiest way to unite humanity, because you can just invade and/or bully them into line. Propping up a fascist government that hates us and trying to somehow be friends means we'll have to do things like negotiate and compromise. Been talking on the discord, pretty much agree with this guy. Fascists don't actually care about holding up deals especially when they view you as the other to be opposed. Any actual political help that may be appreciated by citizenry for stabilizing it will be thrown right back in our face when they are unified again.
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Oct 10, 2017 04:42
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Yeah but the difference is that people like Snark are around in the Martian government to cancel out my vote. Earth doesn't have that.
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Oct 10, 2017 04:44
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boy howdy seems like a lot of folks on earth will be looking to relocate soon. sure would be a shame if someone offered them citizenship to a planet with luxury space communism and a robust social net (we reallllly need to work on the "fully automated" part of fully automated luxury space communism btw)
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Oct 10, 2017 04:49
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Crazycryodude posted:Yeah but the difference is that people like Snark are around in the Martian government to cancel out my vote. Earth doesn't have that. The Martian government needs a voice of reason because Terra clearly has none.
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Oct 10, 2017 04:51
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Gridlocked posted:Even better is we can use this to start being mote together. I like what this totally on the level man has to say, and endorse it heavily over continued screeching about "literal nazis" and "socialist revolution at all cost let me tell you more about the TFS"
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sniper4625 posted:I like what this totally on the level man has to say. I was not sent here by the Devil My good sirs I'm on the level
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Seriously though, undermine their state. If our humanitarian support gets to the point where we're providing an alternate apparatus of state to significant chunks of their population, that's real serious power. As part of that, try and keep a lid on any armed conflicts that would possibly solve things outright. Make them go through political channels (and co-opt those channels as much as possible). Just asserting that they're fascists isn't a plan that brings us any closer to undermining their power base or institutions. Or as another way to phrase it, humanitarian assistance to our fellow humans, and our best efforts to prevent any more unfortunate actions by the Earth military. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 04:53
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Gridlocked posted:Even better is we can use this to start being mote together. All hail
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Oct 10, 2017 05:00
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xthetenth posted:Seriously though, undermine their state. If our humanitarian support gets to the point where we're providing an alternate apparatus of state to significant chunks of their population, that's real serious power. As part of that, try and keep a lid on any armed conflicts that would possibly solve things outright. Make them go through political channels (and co-opt those channels as much as possible). Just asserting that they're fascists isn't a plan that brings us any closer to undermining their power base or institutions. Pretty much. I think just about everyone is on board with humanitarian assistance to the people; that'll pay dividends in the long run. But the wisdom of militarily preserving the Putinist Regime is uh, questionable. We can maybe be BFFs with Earthers someday, but this specific state will never not be a threat to us. It would best be gone if you want to make progress on pan-humanism.
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Oct 10, 2017 05:10
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xthetenth posted:Seriously though, undermine their state. If our humanitarian support gets to the point where we're providing an alternate apparatus of state to significant chunks of their population, that's real serious power. As part of that, try and keep a lid on any armed conflicts that would possibly solve things outright. Make them go through political channels (and co-opt those channels as much as possible). Just asserting that they're fascists isn't a plan that brings us any closer to undermining their power base or institutions. And we thank you for your support on the matter.
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Fray posted:Pretty much. I think just about everyone is on board with humanitarian assistance to the people; that'll pay dividends in the long run. But the wisdom of militarily preserving the Putinist Regime is uh, questionable. We can maybe be BFFs with Earthers someday, but this specific state will never not be a threat to us. It would best be gone if you want to make progress on pan-humanism. I'm honestly not attached to the regime itself, but I do think that taking active measures against it might give the hardliners exactly what they need to unify Terra again...against us. Whatever we can do to start intertwining humanity and ultimately make war unthinkable (without just annexing ourselves straight out,) are actions we should be considering strongly. If that begins with humanitarian aid and a joint figuring out of how to not go batshit crazy while jumping, then that's where we should start.
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Oct 10, 2017 05:14
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Oct 10, 2017 05:16
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Gridlocked posted:And we thank you for your support on the matter. Nah, we want to help the people. We also want to gently caress the state. The two are not exclusive.
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Oct 10, 2017 05:16
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Phrosphor posted:Never mind. :thinking:
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Gridlocked posted::thinking: I was going to rally the thread against the Cryo faction but then realised that it was just a circular discord argument.
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Oct 10, 2017 05:23
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Phrosphor posted:I was going to rally the thread against the Cryo faction but then realised that it was just a circular discord argument. We know who we are, and we'll be there when the moment comes. For now, Discord has moved onto the more fruitful discussion of the ultradense Planet I - what it might be, where it might have come from, and how best to exploit it.
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Oct 10, 2017 05:33
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Phrosphor posted:I was going to rally the thread against the Cryo faction but then realised that it was just a circular discord argument. Do not get burried in circular Discord arguments. It will only halt the advancedment of the Great Plan.
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Oct 10, 2017 05:37
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Or we could just send the Terrans thoughts and prayers and laugh as Earth collapses into ruin.
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Oct 10, 2017 06:10
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Gridlocked posted:I was not sent here by the Devil The ring came off my pudding can!
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Zaodai posted:The ring came off my pudding can! Take my space knife my good man. I swear it's Mars's only choice! Throw up your hands and raise your voice! Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 06:24
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Well, you've sold me. Let's send Earth a monorail.
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Zaodai posted:Let's send Earth a monorail. I’d just like to point out that, if taken out of context, this statement is hilarious. To get serious, would Earth accept us taking in and caring for refugees? Because we are kinda morally obligated to take them in. Get SB involved, have them set up some transport routes and supply chains, maybe we could also send over some decontamination teams to help speed up the restoration process/stymie the worst of the fallout. Yes, some of you may balk at using SB agents for such “menial” work, but if they’re already on Earth, then they know the ins-and-outs of where to go, how to get there quickly, what forms need to be filled out to keep it all above board... Earth might not be our friends, but dammit, this is the cradle of humanity we’re talking about here. Save the backstabbing for another century or six; that is not and should not be our first and only priority.
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HereticMIND posted:I’d just like to point out that, if taken out of context, this statement is hilarious. We should probably make sure it wasn't ALREADY SB that nuked Earth. Or the IC/TFS version of the same. Or another covert faction. Because having a jump ship target and kill the families of its crew sounds like a GREAT way to make humanity back off from exploration and expansion of extra-solar systems. "Oh, we can't possssibly get all those useful resources, remember Kobayev." And then the aliens come in with their slaver fleets and humanity is still stuck in a handful of systems. We KNOW aliens are real. Like, we have 100% inescapable proof. Either we're ready to meet them and intimidate them into a stalemate, or they conquer us. Expand or Die. As for UT, the situation is too chaotic to begin backing ANY horse. We treat with them as if Vlad still reigns until we have concrete evidence otheriwise. We just negotiated a treaty with his government, if he is alive, he's a lot more likely to treat fairly with us if we didn't try to hold his government over a barrel as soon as he took an unplanned holiday.
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Veloxyll posted:As for UT, the situation is too chaotic to begin backing ANY horse. We treat with them as if Vlad still reigns until we have concrete evidence otheriwise. We just negotiated a treaty with his government, if he is alive, he's a lot more likely to treat fairly with us if we didn't try to hold his government over a barrel as soon as he took an unplanned holiday. And if he is alive and does try to screw us over again, we have a lot of propoganda ready and waiting. I mean we went from nearly trading blows to offering aid in their time of need. Exactly whose interests is he protecting? Because at that point it clearly isn't humanity in general, while ours is.
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What a weird argument. The Harris Centrists making up lies to prop up a fascist government. We are sending aid to the Terran people. We are letting said people determine their own destiny in whether they want to be ruled by this regime or not. If not, we want to ensure a peaceful transition of power to an openly Martian friendly socialist utopia democratic government. So we will make sure some Martians are on ground that can help with relief efforts and to help towards that end if asked.
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We should absolutely offer an alternative to Terran hegemony on Terra. Undermine while providing assistance is the way to go.
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13 July 2052 The Ka Kahupapa eases gently in position at the epicenter of the zone of distorted space that marks the jump point.  Her central spindle begins to unfold and form a single high energy accelerator ring under the guidance algorithms specified in the technological data dump from the Pluto Facility. The ensuing ring is over a kilometer across and looks exactly like a fictional depiction of a stargate repeated again and again throughout science fiction. However it is something quite different. The ring powers up and enormous energies begin to cascade around its sealed circumference, on the Ka Kahupapa Pharnakes watches nervously as the energy readings slowly tick towards 100%. Suddenly without fanfare a tipping point is reached and a bright light blazes into existence in the center of the ring. Exotic matter cascades into existence before fading away around the dimensions in a way Pharnakes does not completely understand but is assured by Mars’s smartest minds makes sense if only one was to think of space as more of an eleven dimensional manifold. Positioning engines fire gently and the great ring begins to move, the central point etching a blazing path across the jump point like a firework passing one’s vision at night. Luckily for Pharnakes the metaphor struggles somewhat as there is only the slow laying of the exotic matter scaffolding and the process is not predicted to end with any explosions. “Only four more months to go” he thinks to himself. Having begun the slow process he is content to leave it with the scientists and technicians and begin to exercise his unfortunate secondary duties. With them they have dragged prototype miniaturized jump drives with which to perform a series of experiments. First an attempt to make a pony-relay of sorts with small drone jumpships and afterwards more troublingly transit experiments on animal and then human subjects. His conscience troubles him greatly at the last but he reminds himself they are volunteers one and all, drawn from the ranks of Triton fleet which looms protectively around the jump point. General Cryo on the massive Battlecruiser Victory is famed for her paranoia to an extent even other Martians find offputting and has spent two weeks drawing up dire protocols for every conceivable outcome. After the horror still unfolding on Earth who can blame him?  Pharnakes quietly muses that it’s more likely fellow Martians will die from hair-trigger responses than anything that awaits them in jumpspace.  Much of Eastern Europe is still darkened at night, a black stain across an otherwise brightly lit world. Saros fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Z the IVth posted:Saros, I got shot out of my ship, am I automatically back in rotation for another or will I have to reapply? Yes dead and dispossessed Goons will go back into the que automatically. I will try catch up on requests for character history/traits as I have the opportunity.
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Saros posted:General Cryo on the massive Battlecruiser Victory is famed for his paranoia to an extent even other Martians find offputting and has spent two weeks drawing up
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Let's get real about the possibility of our humanitarian assistance somehow fixing our relationship with UT--it's not going to work that way. Did real life North Korea all of sudden have a change of heart when the UN helped save their population from famine? Nope, they just took the assistance and started rattling their saber again the second they could. If anything we should be prepared for this to make UT more hostile to us in the long term. Fascist regimes are predicated on pride, and us saving the day will be deeply humiliating to the leadership.
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punched my v-card at camp posted:Let's get real about the possibility of our humanitarian assistance somehow fixing our relationship with UT--it's not going to work that way. Did real life North Korea all of sudden have a change of heart when the UN helped save their population from famine? Nope, they just took the assistance and started rattling their saber again the second they could. Yep. Fortunately we don't need the UT leadership, just the workers
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Jump experiments; Phase 1 The first drone test begins. Little more than a jump drive with some simple engines and maneuvering capabilities as well as high power laser and radio comms the thing still weighs over 500 tons with the smallest practicable jump drive Mars can produce and is more like a small ship than anything else..  It sidles up to the jump point, activates its drive ready to plunge through to Ranginui and….. nothing happens. Confused mechanical enquiries and diagnostics flow back to the Ka Kahupapa reporting no issues. Pharnakes dismisses it as a malfunction of untried tech until the second and third drones also fail to jump. More concerned now and with no helpful suggestions coming from his scientists he sees no choice but to proceed with the live testing of animals. Another modified drone moves up with a handful of model creatures ranging from mice to dogs and pigs aboard and fails to even stir the aether as its jump engine runs through its cycle and proceeds to achieve absolutely nothing at all. Growing ever more concerned Pharnakes sends forward the final drone containing a selection of primates and a single African Grey parrot that was somehow sourced from Mars and dispatched with the rest. It spins up its drive like the rest and without complaint slides out of the universe. An uneasy thirty minutes passes before the return time of the drone and thankfully it pops into existence right on schedule. The internal monitors of the ship show nothing unexpected awry and the higher primates all appear to be suffering from the expected jump sickness. While the biometric readers attached to all the animals show significant signs of distress during the thirty minutes they were away it doesn’t seem particularly out of place with them experiencing the strange sensations of jump travel. One entirely inexplicable oddity remains however, the cage previously holding the Grey parrot is empty.
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From now on, all Martian ships planning to jump must take on board at least one grey parrot per crewman in the hopes that these regular sacrifices will propitiate the prophets of jumpspace so that they will no longer afflict us with the jump madness.
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We should also consider our "reputation", such as it is since it does affect responses and outcomes in the LP. If we went no mercy on surrendering ships, we likely would have faced tougher responses from the IC and they would have been less inclined to surrender. If we didn't support TFS as we did they probably would be UT puppets instead of willing allies. Doubly so after the UTs treatment of their planned war exercise to instead be aggressive maneuvers against us. How would it look that we attempt to save the regime after such actions?
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Sooo. The jump gates don't, uhhhh "accept" anything but fairly intelligent beings. And snack on them as well. It might be worthwhile to see if a primate in a coma is also allowed to jump.
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LLSix posted:From now on, all Martian ships planning to jump must take on board at least one grey parrot per crewman in the hopes that these regular sacrifices will propitiate the prophets of jumpspace so that they will no longer afflict us with the jump madness. The primates still experienced Jump Sickness, so the returning of African Gray Parrots to their home dimension doesn't appear to reduce or stop the mind worms from attaching. Dance Officer posted:Sooo. The jump gates don't, uhhhh "accept" anything but fairly intelligent beings. And snack on them as well. The gate doesn't appear to be operational as these were jump drive equipped drones. We're still unsure if an always on connection will doom the entire system to Jump Psychosis.
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Now to coat one of the jump drive drones in asses to see if they are accepted.  But seriously, that's some poo poo. That means we're not really dealing with a phenomenon like a wormhole would be, but with something straight out of Ravenloft. It only lets you go if it wants you to go. On the other hand, it also means we're basically destined to become the Imperium, using mine wiped, half-robotic Servitors created from the bodies of convicts and dissidents to handle the robot duties of our ships.
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Saros posted:Jump experiments; Phase 1 This is very concerning and also doesn't make much sense. Saros is trying to imply that someone or something is letting us casually break the laws of physics with a jump drive. Best case scenario is that all three of the unmanned drones were faulty (very unlikely, if not flat out impossible). Worst case scenario? The whole drat "jump drive" is a goddamn placebo and we're already trapped in a spider web that we can't escape. If the latter is the case, gently caress it. Let's go all-out and try to solve the mystery. Lets see what happens if we try to jump a regular ship and one of those drones at the same time. See which ones come out the other end. Inglonias fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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