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I don't know why Friedman doesn't have a paywall on his poo poo yet. His 30 thoughts is probably the best hockey media out there.
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bub spank posted:I haven’t paid for an account, but if you download the app you can read 5 free articles a month. They usually don’t have too much interesting Sens stuff, so those 5 articles are usually enough for me. That's a good thing to know, thanks!
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JoelJoel posted:Well, I don't pay a ton of attention to defensive systems (stars seem to have one rn and I'm not sure how to feel about it). Offensively, at least, av has seemed to get good results from a lineup without stars. IIRC he was pretty good about deploying the stars he had in van city, so he seems flexible- something I highly value in a coach (gotta play with what you got). That is certainly a concern...on a team without a big star or two to carry the load, what happens if they shift to a different system that's less about scoring off the rush? I mean part of AV's offensive philosophy is about creating those really high quality scoring chances. Cross crease passes, breakaways, etc. How much does his defensive system play into that and could you still play a similar offensive system without it? I'm inclined towards "yes" seeing as how the Penguins were able to play a fast up the ice create odd man rushes and chances style of game without playing the man to man coverage that AV wants, but I'd have to watch a lot more Penguins games than I want to in order to decide whether that works for them because of their star players or whether they just help make those chances even better. He has gotten a lot out of the roster in some ways which is why I'm both super annoyed at his flaws but wary about what would happen if he is fired
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If someone wants to curl a finger on the monkey paw firing AV just to get some shittacular replacement, gently caress it, I'm sure Jack Capuano could still rent out Garth Snow's basement if he's gonna come back to NY. E: Vigneault's system and deployment might not be ideal. I don't think there is an available coach that would do better with the roster long term. Rotten Cookies fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Rotten Cookies posted:If someone wants to curl a finger on the monkey paw firing AV just to get some shittacular replacement, gently caress it, I'm sure Jack Capuano could still rent out Garth Snow's basement if he's gonna come back to NY. He wouldn't be the only one... IN THE BASEMENT!
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Oct 17, 2017 21:47
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i'm also concerned about who replaces him if AV is fired (because it will, at least in the interim, be lindy ruff) but i don't think you hold on to a coach that is coaching the team poorly just because the immediate replacement option is also bad. i'd say install ruff as the interim coach and maybe he has some short term success or maybe not but then install a properly vetted long term solution in the offseason. although that being said the nhl is way too much of an old boys' club and there's no way any GM would jerk an established coach around like that (especially if he achieves a modicum of success with the team) so yeah, it'd be a full season of ruff
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Oct 17, 2017 21:50
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I don't think the Rangers should fire AV, that being said I do think AV should try rolling the pre-season projected lines for more than one game. I know we got lit up by Toronto, but maybe give Mac/Shattenkirk and the forwards more than one game together to see if it can get sorted, even if it goes bad again. 2 or 3 games and still no dice then sure, throw everything in the blender.
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Oct 17, 2017 22:27
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but the thing is that he won't do that. that's why i want to fire him. like, i would like it if he did that and i would also like it if he would change all the other things i've been complaining about, but i don't expect those things to happen and that's why i want him to be fired
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Oct 17, 2017 22:43
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hire me NHL hockey team I'll outsource systems decisions to the internet
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that's actually a good idea.
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I've been suggesting for years that SAS needs to buy an NHL team. Though it would probably break down when it actually came time to play some hockey as we'd still be arguing about lines.
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I'll start the wiki.
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a false posted:but the thing is that he won't do that. that's why i want to fire him. like, i would like it if he did that and i would also like it if he would change all the other things i've been complaining about, but i don't expect those things to happen and that's why i want him to be fired He'll probably get there eventually, and even if he doesn't you can't pull the trigger based on 6 games. Maybe around the 1/4 mark if the story is the same you begin to think about whether or not to make a move, but it's too early now. I don't think Lindy is our knight in shining armor here, give AV the benefit of the doubt, the Rangers have been a competitive team during his entire tenure and it's a bad first 6 games. There's a looooooooot of hockey left.
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a false posted:that's actually a good idea. part of me wonders how well that'd work...like, how much systems coaching is kind of bullshit and coaches get too deep into the weeds with details and crap that doesn't matter But there's probably lots of player management and poo poo like detailed positioning and stick work that you'd need someone who knows what they're doing to coach
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the one place where i think the old boys' club mentality for coaches makes sense is dealing with pro athlete egos and i think that internet people would probably be bad at that but as far as skills go you can hire trainers to work on things like that
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xzzy posted:I've been suggesting for years that SAS needs to buy an NHL team. "In a bizarre move, the internet-controlled hockey team has opted to put 6 goalies on the ice!"
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Oct 17, 2017 22:55
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does adam oates still need a job
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JawKnee posted:"In a bizarre move, the internet-controlled hockey team has opted to put 6 goalies on the ice!" "and over in Columbus, John Tortorella is fuming for not thinking of this first"
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Oct 17, 2017 22:56
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we'll drag every game into the shootout and stock the team with 6 or 7 snipers just for that
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Oct 17, 2017 23:00
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"It's an ingenious strategy but something tells me that they're just not a team that's built for the playoffs"
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Oct 17, 2017 23:02
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The team's leading scorers all step onto the ice for their first shift in OT, and immediately pull their groin because they've been watching from the bench for two hours and have gone completely cold.
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Oct 17, 2017 23:43
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Don't kid yourself, we'd end up with a bad gimmick team. All guys under 5'8" or no NA or Russian players or only guys in the throes of hair loss. Let's fukken do it.
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JoelJoel posted:Don't kid yourself, we'd end up with a bad gimmick team. All guys under 5'8" or no NA or Russian players or only guys in the throes of hair loss. Captain Zucc, I'm in 
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Thufir posted:They're probably pretty tempting for local politicians though. Like, "here's this stadium I got built!" is more sell-able than "I improved our stormwater catchment and stop light timing!" Plus they'll be long out of office by the time the bonds become an obvious burden. ElwoodCuse posted:Imagine having the guts to try and do a stadium grift for Major League Soccer. The Columbus team is about to abandon the country's first large soccer-only stadium, the unofficial home of the national team and those amazing Mexico games, because the city won't build them a new stadium downtown. Even if people did get behind a publicly-funded stadium for the Crew,  if you don't think Ohio State wouldn't throw quite a bit in the way of resources at trying to kill that poo poo dead in its tracks just like they did in 1997 with the proposed arena for the CBJ and, ironically enough, downtown soccer stadium for the Crew where Huntington Park is now. Columbus wouldn't have an NHL team had John McConnell not heard about what was going on and personally went " ".There is some fascinating, nefarious poo poo that went down at the hands of OSU because they didn't want a new little brother, which is detailed in Chill Factor, a good readin' book.  Brodeurs Nanny posted:What I consistently learn from all of you is Fire Every Coach. I like me some Torts as coach of my dumb hockey team*. Brad Shaw and Brad Larsen are pretty good, too. *Revocable license for potential future indiscretions or poor performance should either or both arise.
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CBJSprague24 posted:Even if people did get behind a publicly-funded stadium for the Crew, Oh my god I forgot about them blocking the proposed Crew place. Goddamn. I need to read Chill Factor
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So I haven't really had time to watch any hockey this year because I usually work evening. Needless to say, I was a bit horrified to turn on the Rangers tonight and see both that they're 1-5, and that from what I've seen of them so far, I'm not sure how they managed to win that one game. Have they looked this awful and out of sync all season long, or is it just because the Penguins are good, or what? I'm guessing it's the former, because 1-5, but yeah. Holy hell, Cracknell looks like hot garbage. Most of the team looks like hot garbage, but he looks extra garbage (and less hot).
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:So I haven't really had time to watch any hockey this year because I usually work evening. Needless to say, I was a bit horrified to turn on the Rangers tonight and see both that they're 1-5, and that from what I've seen of them so far, I'm not sure how they managed to win that one game. Have they looked this awful and out of sync all season long, or is it just because the Penguins are good, or what? I'm guessing it's the former, because 1-5, but yeah. You should refresh your feed or check the TV again or something. But they haven't been good, agreed.
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I wondered out loud in the GDT how Steve Mason's GAA was 6.53 through two games this season. https://twitter.com/1stOhioBattery/status/920459395112296451 https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/920458860594388993 Oh.
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News: https://twitter.com/BroadStHockey/status/920448868013223939 Views; Nolan Patrick, he's good, OP
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Oct 18, 2017 02:23
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The potential for greatness in Hockey, while debatable, is possible. You guys.
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Leafs are...good? I'm still seeing typical 3rd Period Leafs, but they're still winning so gently caress it.
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Oct 18, 2017 02:41
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This is not going to be a very good season.
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https://twitter.com/1stOhioBattery/status/920464928292720641
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They were pretty sloppy a lot of that game and missed a boat load of open looks. Happy they won in spite of that and they were decent defensively. Not brilliant but better than other games this season, so that's a plus.
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a false posted:the one place where i think the old boys' club mentality for coaches makes sense is dealing with pro athlete egos and i think that internet people would probably be bad at that but as far as skills go you can hire trainers to work on things like that The no nonsense sounds stupid but is actually probably right solution to this is actually sports/regular psychology and coaches studying/obtaining degrees in said field so that they know how to talk to players like they're human beings and not this glorified babysitter angry dad bullshit that old money thinks has been working for the last 150 years
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Two moments I had to preserve from the game tonight (in smaller from to preserve your precious bandwidth) https://i.imgur.com/5NZTFD9.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/rz4QGtP.mp4
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Oct 18, 2017 02:56
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I'm not sure if Sid meant to do that or not....but he probably did because you can see him look and there was nobody where he was sending that puck.
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Holy hell, Cracknell looks like hot garbage. Most of the team looks like hot garbage, but he looks extra garbage (and less hot). Tepid trash?
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