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new caucus, Refoundation - it's a revolutionary Marxist caucus. it has people pretty much everywhere in the US so it's geographically diverse and a member on the NPC. we've been building for awhile but waited on going public until we had the program and everything sorted out, it's probably around 60 people out of the gate. the basic gist is that if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around and that the democratic party cannot be salvaged https://dsarefoundation.org/ https://twitter.com/DSARefoundation the harringtonite and soft social democrat people will not like us. also explicit disavowal of police unions
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so like Momentum or Praxis (everyone has to have a cool name), which were big players in the last convention - they are basically factions within the DSA. since the DSA is such a big tent organization it makes sense to advocate for your views in an open and organized way, otherwise differing opinions can get lost in the noise. this is sort of the heir to the left caucus (which tbh I'm not familiar with as I'm a new member) which advocated steering away from the DSA's embrace of the democratic party even before the member surge
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Yandat posted:new caucus, Refoundation - it's a revolutionary Marxist caucus. it has people pretty much everywhere in the US so it's geographically diverse and a member on the NPC. we've been building for awhile but waited on going public until we had the program and everything sorted out, it's probably around 60 people out of the gate. the basic gist is that if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around and that the democratic party cannot be salvaged This is dope and what I thought all of the DSA was like before I joined it
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safely sodomized posted:cant believe 30k people joined the Deviant Sexfreaks of America This avatar, name, and post may take the cake this month. Yandat posted:also explicit disavowal of police unions This may be more mainstream than you may expect, even this time last year there were a lot of voters in my districts who at least felt police unions provided a level of protection that is unusual in the business world and perpetuated abuse. Potato Salad has issued a correction as of 18:51 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Missed an opportunity not calling it the New Left Caucus, fam I'm so far past believing in the power of electoral politics so I don't think it's a caucus for me, but yay for diversity of tactics
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still abolish the concept of "leadership" imho. let everyone feel as empowered and capable to facilitate (a meeting, an action, a canvassing event, a conference) as the mediocre white cis man does
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no offense to mediocre cis white men. wish I had your confidence
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Missed an opportunity not calling it the New Left Caucus, fam it's not at all in favor of focusing on electoral politics, it's a revolutionary caucus not a reformist one. if you feel you can win and it's not a waste of time, go hog wild - the gains in seattle and other local fights are good for base building. however throwing in on getting leftists elected regardless of the likely outcome is a waste of resources
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:still abolish the concept of "leadership" imho. 
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safely sodomized posted:New Left has too many boomer connotations "Newer Left" ... no wait, "Better Left"
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:still abolish the concept of "leadership" imho no thanks
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nya im gonna take over maria svarts position and then dissolve~ it~ :3 yandat that's fine, y'all do y'all. good luck, and reach out to LSC if you wanna chat about the current landscape for founding new caucuses or share advice or w/e 
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Yandat posted:new caucus, Refoundation - it's a revolutionary Marxist caucus. it has people pretty much everywhere in the US so it's geographically diverse and a member on the NPC. we've been building for awhile but waited on going public until we had the program and everything sorted out, it's probably around 60 people out of the gate. the basic gist is that if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around and that the democratic party cannot be salvaged
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I'm a mediocre white cis dude and I'm intimidated by everything.
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Yandat posted:new caucus, Refoundation - it's a revolutionary Marxist caucus. it has people pretty much everywhere in the US so it's geographically diverse and a member on the NPC. we've been building for awhile but waited on going public until we had the program and everything sorted out, it's probably around 60 people out of the gate. the basic gist is that if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around and that the democratic party cannot be salvaged Oh hey, I was just hearing about this! I'm not really into party building, but I'm always glad to see unapologetically leftist voices. I'll keep an eye out for y'all. I like the website.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:still abolish the concept of "leadership" imho. Speaking of, anybody know much about the Libertarian Socialist Caucus? Do they... you know, do much?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:looks good but i'm gonna need some buttons with photoshopped foundation trilogy book covers before i join Seldonist Caucus
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I'm in the LSC. The answer is... sometimes? Most of the institutional momentum seems to come from advocating for less centralization of power within DSA itself, so the LSC as a whole has been most active when there's been movement on that front -- we lobbied extensively against the march on Washington, pushed back against problematic motions at the convention, and were central to the Accountability task force working to get Danny Fetonte recalled. There's also a project to publish libsoc position papers and thought on our website. Separate from the caucus as a whole, LSC people are forming sub groups to tackle other projects. In the Bay Area for example a lot of the people working on brake light clinics are LSC members. But there hasn't been as much movement nationally lately. I think a lot of people on the listserv are up in arms about the latest NPC proposal on healthcare organizing though so I think we'll probably be doing something around that soon.
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Goon Danton posted:Speaking of, anybody know much about the Libertarian Socialist Caucus? Do they... you know, do much? hell yes we do  look at that agenda (this is from convention)
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Yandat posted:new caucus, Refoundation - it's a revolutionary Marxist caucus. it has people pretty much everywhere in the US so it's geographically diverse and a member on the NPC. we've been building for awhile but waited on going public until we had the program and everything sorted out, it's probably around 60 people out of the gate. the basic gist is that if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around and that the democratic party cannot be salvaged poo poo yeah, I'm diggin it. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:looks good but i'm gonna need some buttons with photoshopped foundation trilogy book covers before i join Only if the background color is a shade of purple-gray! /stupid sci-fi book references.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:hell yes we do im so sick of these bernie bros and all their ... uhh ... *squints* disability rights
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So when we getting the goon caucus organized?
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Huragok posted:So when we getting the goon caucus organized? petition for all DSA publications to replace "memes" with "image macros"
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Huragok posted:So when we getting the goon caucus organized? you posted in the thread, didn't you? bam, caucus'd
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Iridium posted:you posted in the thread, didn't you? great, another 14 emails a week in my inbox that i'll mark as read without opening
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:great, another 14 emails a week in my inbox that i'll mark as read without opening Hi this is Maria Svart with the DSA anti-email caucus, just wanted to send you a few updates on our campaign to send you fewer updates ChickenOfTomorrow posted:hell yes we do Man somebody must have done a really obvious foul to get that many red cards at once. I guess I should ask on my local Slack to find out what we're doing in Pittsburgh. And I guess I should find out how to use Slack.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:hell yes we do 
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Yandat posted:new caucus, Refoundation - it's a revolutionary Marxist caucus. it has people pretty much everywhere in the US so it's geographically diverse and a member on the NPC. we've been building for awhile but waited on going public until we had the program and everything sorted out, it's probably around 60 people out of the gate. the basic gist is that if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around and that the democratic party cannot be salvaged the DSA elects Trump to NPC because he's clearly anti-troop, what contextless tweet do you immediately send from your semi-anonymous twitter account: A) welp... we gave it our best shot. B) I believe the DSA is on the right track, and have nothing but comradely thoughts for our org, HOWEVER 1/388 C) Can't wait to welcome Roman Polanski to our steering committee [followed by an apology piece written on Medium]
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Vhak lord of hate posted:the DSA elects Trump to NPC because he's clearly anti-troop, what contextless tweet do you immediately send from your semi-anonymous twitter account: I don't think RL is in the caucus
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what's refoundation's stance on maoist guerilla groups.
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Impermanent posted:what's refoundation's stance on maoist guerilla groups. put your phone in the fridge and we can talk about this more in depth
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*silently printing out hundreds of copies of the weatherman manifestos*
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I'm an organizer in a group with high affinity toward Philly Socialists. I sincerely hope the refoundation thing takes off.
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Yandat posted:it's not at all in favor of focusing on electoral politics, it's a revolutionary caucus not a reformist one on re-read... help me understand how that square with your saying that "if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around"? Do i have my definitions confused and "a mass labor party" doesn't mean politics? is it the "electoral" bit where the difference comes in? Remember, i have the knowledge of a small child.
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Go cuck! 4 Zuck!
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Abolish leadership I say as wait why is nobody doing anything you're all supposed organize please don't leave
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:on re-read... help me understand how that square with your saying that "if we're not working to build a mass labor party then we're just jerking around"? Do i have my definitions confused and "a mass labor party" doesn't mean politics? is it the "electoral" bit where the difference comes in? I might be wrong but my interpretation is that it is about facilitating the growth of local-level community support structures, with the long term goal of them organically forming a party that serves their interests and would then engage in electoral politics. As opposed to an engagement in politics that is like running an advertising campaign.
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