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Kobold Sex Tape posted:actually you dont give a poo poo about any of that because you wind up with thousands of casts of a spell i'm sure you're right but it also kind of sounds like you're encouraging me to play ADOM and that instantly makes you suspect
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i'm sure you're right but it also kind of sounds like you're encouraging me to play ADOM and that instantly makes you suspect Every single person here is an apologist for some bad game.
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Dark Elf bards are amazing since you have Alertness and Find Weakness baked into the cake, so you can hope for rolling other skills like Dodge, Athletics, etc. I had a DE bard roll every good skill in the game and he proceeded to steamroll. Then again I'm weird and prefer playing elves over any other race in ADOM.
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Serephina posted:Gotta be careful with those various race assumptions! Someone might have read the same fantasy novels/games as you and form the same preconceptions, or have something entirely different. Take for example trolls. Are they hideous? Very Strong? Quickly regenerating? Green? Voracious appetite? Turned into stone from the sun? Depends! This is a really big deal with presenting races as a player choice during character creation, and what tropes you wish do adopt. Everquest lore rules 4 lyfe
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Every single person here is an apologist for some bad game. all i ask is that people complain about adom's real problems. the foremost of which is that it's too easy, and i'm too strong, good, and handsome. on the real it suffers from the normal roguelike difficulty curve stuff of hard earlygame, and then you hit midgame and you should ideally never die ever. the current cool kids joke is that if you cleared the UD you've won the game and it's really not entirely wrong. also level 1 ambushes and traps are annoying and 90s roguelike as hell and gently caress 'em there's also a shitload of popcorn enemies. elemental resists are extremely strong, which probably contributes to that. also every character (except certain classes) wants the same gear: the biggest most damaging one handed weapon you can find (so Big Punch in 90% of games), the biggest shield you can find, and the biggest armor you can find. bump attack the popcorn, use spells or slaying missiles on scary things you don't want to melee. have i mentioned that spells and missiles are overpowered yet because they are. and why the hell are monks better at using gigantic two handed weapons than barbarians? biskuuup
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uhhh play adom though, people. try it out! it's fun! lots of flavor, fun to learn. the keybinds are occasionally stupid but it's cool!
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literally nothing anyone says about adom makes me want to actually try playing it except maybe the weird chaos knight stuff but if i want to be a cool mutant or whatever i can just play caves of qud and have a cooler setting to boot
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Every single person here is an apologist for some bad game. It's true, I am the resident apologist for Incursion  I personally found playing an archer of whatever race to be the most satisfying adom experience
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the vibe i get about adom from discussion in this thread is basically the same as smoking- if you havent started already for the love of god dont start now
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Every single person here is an apologist for some bad game. Hi, I'm the guy that likes Marathon Infinity a lot.
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Johnny Joestar posted:literally nothing anyone says about adom makes me want to actually try playing it
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RyokoTK posted:Hi, I'm the guy that likes Marathon Infinity a lot. He said bad games, not games that are cool and good Also, this is the roguelikes thread, not the retro FPS thread, although now I'm wondering what a Mar@thon would look like.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Every single person here is an apologist for some bad game. Furious Angels is a modern classic.
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Every time I play ADOM I end up getting caught up in some optimisation loop like the stupid altars and piety or the stupid never killing any cat, or the finding that original blinking dog or whatever so I can eat it. I'd be tempted to play if I knew none of that poo poo really mattered, that you don't have to bother with altars at all, that killing a couple of cats is no biggie and that not having blick from a dog corpse isn't an issue. However, all the stuff I read about it indicates the opposite.
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Angry Diplomat posted:It's me, I'm the IVAN shill He said bad game. Tollymain posted:dredmor's chargen still needs somebody to use it in a better game The dual class system in Titan Quest and Grim Dawn is close enough for me, but yeah I'd like to see more of that sort of open-ended combining.
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Unimpressed posted:Every time I play ADOM I end up getting caught up in some optimisation loop like the stupid altars and piety or the stupid never killing any cat, or the finding that original blinking dog or whatever so I can eat it. you absolutely don't need the cat ring to win at all just kill every cat you see, you can just use the name feature on the blink dog so you can't lose track of it, you can ignore altars past getting the like first level of piety so you can bless water until you get 90k gold and then just crown instantly.
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Happylisk posted:Dark Elf bards are amazing since you have Alertness and Find Weakness baked into the cake, so you can hope for rolling other skills like Dodge, Athletics, etc. I had a DE bard roll every good skill in the game and he proceeded to steamroll. Then again I'm weird and prefer playing elves over any other race in ADOM. My first full win was with a Dark Elf Paladin - All the skills you need right from the start, two weapon combat, dodge, athletics, healing, first aid, concentration, literacy, plus find weakness and alertness from the Dark Elf side. Also at ch level 40 you get strength & toughness drain immunity, which is what got my other potentials killed in the endgame. Human thief was more fun to play though.
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Angry Diplomat posted:It's me, I'm the IVAN shill ivan is actually great because it's pretty upfront about how much of an rear end in a top hat it is and has a bunch of weird and cool systems going on
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Goffer posted:My first full win was with a Dark Elf Paladin - All the skills you need right from the start, two weapon combat, dodge, athletics, healing, first aid, concentration, literacy, plus find weakness and alertness from the Dark Elf side. two weapon combat is really bad, even for rangers who are based around it. rest of that poo poo is right though, dark elf paladins have absolutely insane skills and start with elven chainmail so they're pretty sick. secret cool paladin pick is orc because they start with an everburning torch, the rarest item in the game. rarer than wands of wishing i swear.
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KeeperRL is not a bad game... just unpolished and vaguely unfinished. Who wouldn't defend a game that takes a monster that's gotten the Twilight treatment and makes this sprite for them though???  e: Did I mention they can kill dwarves without a head or legs and are only brought down once they've lost most of their limbs? Well, yes, but it was too long and I know you didn't read it so I'll say it again. Ignatius M. Meen fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Nov 3, 2017 |
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Tollymain posted:dredmor's chargen still needs somebody to use it in a better game Whatever else you can say about Dredmor, a thing it does well is that every level feels like it has some impact in terms of choices and power progression because most of the skills in the game give you a new option in combat. A level isn't like +3 hp and +2 mp, see you next level. Unless you pick a crafting skill, in which case 90% of the time it means you only got stats.
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Pacra posted:It's true, I am the resident apologist for Incursion Incursion is an awesome game, even with all the bugs which is a testament to how amazing it is.
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Too Shy Guy posted:He said bad game. Johnny Joestar posted:ivan is actually great because it's pretty upfront about how much of an rear end in a top hat it is and has a bunch of weird and cool systems going on My efforts have borne fruit.
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Angry Diplomat posted:My efforts have borne fruit. Are they bananas?
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Any good roguelikes on Android that aren't the Pixel Dungeon variants or Sproggiwood?
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Every single person here is an apologist for some bad game. gearhead 2 offers a really unique experience and is close to a gundam roguelike we will ever get!!
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Floodkiller posted:Are they bananas? Just appeel.
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Chin Strap posted:Any good roguelikes on Android that aren't the Pixel Dungeon variants or Sproggiwood? Hoplite and MicRogue are my go-to portable roguelike recommendations.
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Snooze Cruise posted:gearhead 2 offers a really unique experience and is close to a gundam roguelike we will ever get!! I tried this, and after having nonsense conversations with some people and knife-fighting a bunch of dinosaurs in a basement, I became hopelessly confused and gave up. Sage Grimm posted:Just appeel. One day you will ascend Peel Mountain and answer to the banana gods.
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I played ADOM and its uh. If you held a gun to my head and told me to call it good I would hope I would maintain enough integrity to die with honor. But sometimes, I actually like playing an idiosyncratic mess. I think I called it charming in the same way an amusement park with zero safety regulations is, and, you'll probably hate a lot of it and experience actual real pain that signals creation of scar tissue on inside of your skull as you continue to play, but its also something real, like, you get so used to the idea of a game being meant to be enjoyable and fun and fair that its okay sometimes to learn that they can also be misery simulators and somehow still cause you to want to play more of it. Playing it lets you develop a hatred of conways game of life, and a grim understanding of just how likely a one in twenty chance is when it comes to fire damage. also yeah you can be a rat person which is, come to think of it, surprisingly novel somehow Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 3, 2017 |
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Angry Diplomat posted:My efforts have borne fruit. ivan is pretty much the right way to do a dumb, bullshit roguelike where working past the layers of bullshit is inherently part of the play experience. also walking on glass until your legs fall off so you can wish for new ones never gets old
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Johnny Joestar posted:ivan is pretty much the right way to do a dumb, bullshit roguelike where working past the layers of bullshit is inherently part of the play experience. also walking on glass until your legs fall off so you can wish for new ones never gets old The first time I discovered you can get replacement limbs from gods was when I prayed to the knowledge god or whatever because I was about to die to a skeleton, and he gave me a paper arm which immediately got sliced off.
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Angry Diplomat posted:The first time I discovered you can get replacement limbs from gods was when I prayed to the knowledge god or whatever because I was about to die to a skeleton, and he gave me a paper arm which immediately got sliced off. If you'd had the other arm chopped off, he would have given you a giant pen for the other and you might have had a fighting chance. Shame.
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I got to unreal caverns (lvl 42 human fighter with lvl15 polearm spear of devastation and vanquisher) and got paralyzed to death by mimic hivemind. I was cursed and didnt know it. Must have killed a karmic enemy in my big room slaughterfest. 
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Chin Strap posted:Any good roguelikes on Android that aren't the Pixel Dungeon variants or Sproggiwood? Cardinal Quest 2 is the best mobile roguelike. it might be a little simple if you're used to the sprawl of desktop roguelikes, but there's a lot of different customization options to try out, so it should still last a while
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Johnny Joestar posted:ivan is pretty much the right way to do a dumb, bullshit roguelike where working past the layers of bullshit is inherently part of the play experience. also walking on glass until your legs fall off so you can wish for new ones never gets old And where working through those layers of bullshit will just help you get killed even harder thanks to the enemy scaling. God, I love IVAN.
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Adventures in ADOM: spent a non-trivial amount of time in the Infinite dungeon scumming for spellbooks. On my way out I fell into a pit trap full of vipers. RIP that wizard.
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