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So with the FCC's plans to repeal net neutrality, how will this affect Steam? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/technology/fcc-net-neutrality.html
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:If you go back to Baldurs Gate, which I suggest you should, I think you should get a mod that lets you rest anywhere. This makes the vancian magic tolerable imo
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Nov 21, 2017 21:11
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Depends on how much money Valve is willing to pony up. Online gaming as a whole might suffer if ISPs decide gaming traffic will be throttled unless consumers pay for gamingplus+ subscription levels.
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Nov 21, 2017 21:12
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Anyone played RUINER yet? I put it on a watchlist because I had just finished Neon Chrome and started JYDGE when I saw it on Steam. For some reason, the fast-paced cyberpunky aesthetic of the latter two games really landed with me and Ruiner looked like it might scratch the itch too. It's on sale, but no one's talked much about it, so I assume it's kind of a dud? How does it compare to Neon Chrome and JYDGE? (BTW JYDGE is excellent if you didn't know. Think Hotline Miami but with unlockable load outs, slower gun play, a more varied arsenal of cyber weapons and items, and levels you iteratively complete with various challenges such as speed runs, stealth runs, no-kill runs, etc. If they ever put in a map editor, hooooo doggies!).
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Nov 21, 2017 21:13
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mary had a little clam posted:Anyone played RUINER yet? I put it on a watchlist because I had just finished Neon Chrome and started JYDGE when I saw it on Steam. For some reason, the fast-paced cyberpunky aesthetic of the latter two games really landed with me and Ruiner looked like it might scratch the itch too. Ruiner good. Think Jydge on drygs, many times faster.
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Nov 21, 2017 21:19
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occamsnailfile posted:Depends on how much money Valve is willing to pony up. Online gaming as a whole might suffer if ISPs decide gaming traffic will be throttled unless consumers pay for gamingplus+ subscription levels. gently caress, I really hope this doesn't kill Valve
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Nov 21, 2017 21:24
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Contact your reps and tell them ending net neutrality is bad. If they're dumb like my rep they'll say, "the internet has thrived for years without net neutrality and is therefore unnecessary."
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Nov 21, 2017 22:00
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Xander77 posted:I always went through each dungeon / area in one go, returning back to a friendly area to rest. It's just the only thing that actually makes sense for m-my immersion, and being forced to conserve spells made for an interesting consideration. One reason why Pillars never clicked for me is that it apparently assumes you're just going to be resting in the middle of exploration. gently caress that, camp for literal in game weeks inside the corner of a dungeon to heal yourself. All the cool kids do it. Doing dungeons in one go is the kind of thing veterans do when they want a challenge. Especially things like the opening dungeon of Baldur's Gate 2. Doing that in one go would be pretty difficult. I'm just sayin', the dungeons themselves are not designed with that kind of limitation in mind.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:05
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Wildtortilla posted:Contact your reps and tell them ending net neutrality is bad. If they're dumb like my rep they'll say, "the internet has thrived for years without net neutrality and is therefore unnecessary." Jesus loving christ. I mean it's not surprising, just disappointing.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:09
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Willo567 posted:So with the FCC's plans to repeal net neutrality, how will this affect Steam? valce is a big company so it probably won't affect steam. on the other hand something awful will be restricted to dialup speeds
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Nov 21, 2017 22:12
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:gently caress that, camp for literal in game weeks inside the corner of a dungeon to heal yourself. All the cool kids do it. Doing dungeons in one go is the kind of thing veterans do when they want a challenge. Especially things like the opening dungeon of Baldur's Gate 2. Doing that in one go would be pretty difficult. I'm just sayin', the dungeons themselves are not designed with that kind of limitation in mind. Yeah, not resting at all in dungeons seems unnecessarily hardcore and definitely not something you would want to do your first playthrough. They're not easy games until you have a firm grasp of the mechanics.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:13
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Excuse me net neutrality ending will actually "expand consumer choices" somehow
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Nov 21, 2017 22:22
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It will! You'll now have the choice to pay lots of money for first-world normal internet speeds, or only a tiny bit less money for unbearable trash internet speeds! And you'll have the additional choices of adding a bunch of different packages that all cost a lot of money to make the sites you frequent actually usable. Choices all around!
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Nov 21, 2017 22:23
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corn in the bible posted:valce is a big company so it probably won't affect steam. on the other hand something awful will be restricted to dialup speeds that is some self-blinding safety blanket posting right there steam will be part of the 'gamer's package' bundled with access to twitch, pewdiepie's youtube channel and on the premium tier of bandwidth limits.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:23
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Please text 'resist' to 50409. A bot will reply and ask for your zip code and such so it can determine who your reps are. It'll let you message your representatives without you having to do any of the gruntwork and it is extremely important that you contact people who can actually make a difference, because normal people like us sure as hell can't do anything about it. Seriously, do it, it takes like five minutes.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:25
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No, really, actually do it. Right now. It's the easiest thing, you have absolutely no excuse not to do it.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:27
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Isn't this up to the FCC and not congress? Your reps won't be able to do poo poo and Ajit Pai is gonna get his way. On one hand the overlap between 4chan nazis and gamers are going to lose their poo poo over this which makes me laugh. On the other hand, Pai and Devos are really doing a shitload of damage which makes me sad.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:29
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CJacobs posted:No, really, actually do it. Right now. It's the easiest thing, you have absolutely no excuse not to do it. my congresspeoples' stance on net neutrality is, what does the internet have to do with hawaii? 
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Nov 21, 2017 22:32
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CJacobs posted:No, really, actually do it. Right now. It's the easiest thing, you have absolutely no excuse not to do it. Is there anything non-US peeps can do?
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Nov 21, 2017 22:32
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The resistbot website has some solid proof that your messages are actually being read and do matter when they come in big enough amounts. The final vote is up to the FCC but nothing motivates congressmen and women more than the people under them threatening to vote for the other party come next election. Ajit Pai is not going to get his way if enough people care, just like he didn't get his way last time or the time before that or so on.kxZyle posted:Is there anything non-US peeps can do? In theory you could just give the bot any US address, it'll send you to the right channels no matter where you're actually from. It's probably unethical to fake being in the US in order to get your message heard but what they are doing is unethical in the first place so fair is fair imo. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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Nov 21, 2017 22:32
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The White Dragon posted:my congresspeoples' stance on net neutrality is, what does the internet have to do with hawaii? Are surf jokes fine here because it was the first thing to pop in my head.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:34
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kxZyle posted:Is there anything non-US peeps can do? Make sure your own country doesn't do the same thing.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:35
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Kibayasu posted:Make sure your own country doesn't do the same thing. Telus and Shaw (  ) are no doubt watching this intently, because as soon as they get the chance they're going to carve up the internet something fierce. The CRTC has slapped them down in the past, though.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:41
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Matt Zerella posted:Isn't this up to the FCC and not congress? Your reps won't be able to do poo poo and Ajit Pai is gonna get his way. It is but congress can get involved by proposing a law to stop it (although not likely). The other thing to consider is when it does pass, someone will definitely sue to stop and put a hold against and is possible to get it blocked through litigation but burden of proof will need to be sufficient.
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Nov 21, 2017 22:43
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Dias posted:Are surf jokes fine here because it was the first thing to pop in my head. if the whole thing where local governing bodies accept bribes from cruise ship companies to look the other way while they flush their sewage into our coastal waters and bays is any indication, our congresspeople don't care about surfing either
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Nov 21, 2017 22:46
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no politics in the steam thread guys
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Nov 21, 2017 22:48
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Kibayasu posted:Make sure your own country doesn't do the same thing. Won't the US doing it impact the rest of us anyway? What will happen when my computer in the UK wants to access a US site?
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Nov 21, 2017 22:49
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CJacobs posted:It will! You'll now have the choice to pay lots of money for first-world normal internet speeds, or only a tiny bit less money for unbearable trash internet speeds! And you'll have the additional choices of adding a bunch of different packages that all cost a lot of money to make the sites you frequent actually usable. Choices all around! Mostly correct. It's actually the businesses who will be forced to buy the packages from the ISPs, not the end-users. Larger sites/companies will likely be able to front the cost (as long as the telecom company doesn't decide to just throttle them to run them out of business for being competition) and shield the end-user from the effect, smaller sites will likely need to pass the speed costs onto the end-user to sustain their speed. This is still effectively as bad for end-users as what you are describing, though.
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Nov 21, 2017 23:18
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CJacobs posted:Please text 'resist' to 50409. A bot will reply and ask for your zip code and such so it can determine who your reps are. It'll let you message your representatives without you having to do any of the gruntwork and it is extremely important that you contact people who can actually make a difference, because normal people like us sure as hell can't do anything about it. Seriously, do it, it takes like five minutes. my representative is ted cruz
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Nov 21, 2017 23:23
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Having to cherry pick an ISP so I got quota-free downloads for my Xbox 360 stuff was bad enough, ugh. And I'm in Aus. We'll be the first loving place to copy the US if that happens.
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Nov 21, 2017 23:29
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corn in the bible posted:my representative is ted cruz well then you just have to write it in zalgo font and he'll understand
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Nov 21, 2017 23:29
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Eight years of this and they finally succeeded on the ninth.
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Nov 21, 2017 23:37
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:no politics in the steam thread guys Please dont mock really dumb rules. Its trying its best 
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Nov 21, 2017 23:38
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Synthbuttrange posted:Please dont mock really dumb rules. Its trying its best The new rule will be, "Do not ask "Is this law bad/is this law good" or any manner of that kind of ironic questioning any more"
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Nov 21, 2017 23:48
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Two copyright eternalists and a Dominionist with aspirations of being the tyrant in a fascist regime. Yeah, I'll get right on that.il_cornuto posted:Won't the US doing it impact the rest of us anyway? What will happen when my computer in the UK wants to access a US site? It'll affect traffic simply touching the US at any point. Hopefully the Internet recognizing and routing around damage does its job. We deserve no better.
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Nov 21, 2017 23:53
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Is there usually a thanksgiving sale?
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Nov 22, 2017 00:09
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strategery posted:Is there usually a thanksgiving sale? It starts tomorrow according to the leaked sale dates.
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Nov 22, 2017 00:11
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I fully approve of the "don't mix politics and games" rule.
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Nov 22, 2017 01:05
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Grapplejack posted:I fully approve of the "don't mix politics and games" rule. Net neutrality kind of has the potential to have a massive impact on games and especially Steam. For example, a publisher could pay to throttle Steam's download speeds (though not as directly as that sounds) but keep their own services (uPlay, Origin, Blizzard's thing, and so on) fast in an effort to force people to change services. You think every publisher having their own online service is bad? Try every publisher having their own preferred ISP for each online service.
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Its bad enough that social networking sites are clamping down on free speech. Now there is a possibility that any site could be slowed down where wrongthink is permitted, unless you want to buy some MT for it.
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