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twistedmentat posted:It was super nice to see that Discovery did this. I was talking explicitly in TNG, and this party would have everyone standing around like a fund raiser at the country club because one of their members is running for city council, standing around making stiff conversation while a string quartet plays in the background. I may complain that the writers on earlier Trek were super WASPy and had no concept of popular culture, but I'm sure the real reason is that stuff is public domain so therefor cheap. Words can't describe how true this is. TNG was great and I loved it, but "making stiff conversation while a string quartet plays in the background" perfectly describes 75% of the stuff that happened when they weren't battling Borg or crystalline entities or whatever. EDIT: As for the party on Discovery, I half expected to see a dude chugging Purple Drank in the background. King Neptune posted:Very few people remember TOS The Way to Eden very fondly Herbert! Herbert! Gynovore fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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I figure this is good a place to ask this: Is Babylon 5 any good/worth watching? For comparison purposes I have seen all Treks, new BSG, and like two seasons of Farscape.
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Nov 29, 2017 20:00
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It's fun. Acting and effects are rough. First season is rough but literally every episode except one (karate competition episode) pays off later.
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Nov 29, 2017 20:02
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swickles posted:I figure this is good a place to ask this: About 40% is great, about 60% is JMS wanking how his self insert with the same initials is the best Aragorn in Space ever.
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Nov 29, 2017 20:03
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swickles posted:I figure this is good a place to ask this: If you've seen every Star Trek series then you should definitely be able to appreciate Babylon 5, it is a Good Space Opera.
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Nov 29, 2017 20:05
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Tunicate posted:About 40% is great, about 60% is JMS wanking how his self insert with the same initials is the best Aragorn in Space ever. Don't listen to this guy. Besides Marcus is the worst character on the show
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Nov 29, 2017 20:06
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Space Aragorn doesn't even show up until like s4, I thought...
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Snak posted:Space Aragorn doesn't even show up until like s4, I thought... Yeah, Sheridan is more like a Space Peregrine Took anyway
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Nov 29, 2017 20:08
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Marcus is more like space Faramir JMS on the other hand leads an alliance of men and elves and ends up with a hot elfwife
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Nov 29, 2017 20:09
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Babylon 5 is more worth one's time than new BSG was, in hindsight
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Tunicate posted:Marcus is more like space Faramir And her best friend forever who carried her printer everywhere has to watch them have sex, it is tradition.
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Nov 29, 2017 20:12
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Babylon 5 is great, just stop after (avoiding spoilers) the Big Stuff they build up to ends somewhere in Season 4. Then it gets mostly into Scouring Of The Shire territory of wrapping up stuff thats just not as compelling.
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Nov 29, 2017 20:15
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swickles posted:I figure this is good a place to ask this: It has its highs and lows, but its highs are pretty drat high.
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Nov 29, 2017 21:20
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Tunicate posted:Bob the Angry Flower did an Orville joke. I'd love to see a callback to this on Orville where it turns out the peace did last because both delegates were felt so violated and disturbed by what the Union did to them their shared trauma and newfound hate for the Union made them forge a lasting alliance.
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Nov 29, 2017 21:34
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Baronjutter posted:I'd love to see a callback to this on Orville where it turns out the peace did last because both delegates were felt so violated and disturbed by what the Union did to them their shared trauma and newfound hate for the Union made them forge a lasting alliance. Haha, that's a pretty clever take on it. "So, admiral, I have good news and bad news. Good news, the peace is holding! Bad news, they've united in war against the Union."
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Nov 29, 2017 21:35
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I caught up on The Orville and I was jonseing for more so I caught up on Discovery. The tonal shift is.... jarring.
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Jerusalem posted:I caught up on The Orville and I was jonseing for more so I caught up on Discovery. New episode tomorrow, then I guess there's only one more left until next season 
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swickles posted:I figure this is good a place to ask this: It's great, as others have said the first season is a touch rough but it really plays the long game and lots of stuff that appears shows up later. I might suggest looking up a watch order list someplace so you can stuff the like 6 movies in the right places in the timeline
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swickles posted:Is Babylon 5 any good/worth watching? For comparison purposes I have seen all Treks, new BSG, and like two seasons of Farscape. Part of the reason is that they actually had a plan from the very beginning concerning where the story was going to go, so when it concludes it's actually satisfying and wraps up everything properly. And this is even taking into consideration that season 4 basically crammed in as much story as they could, since they thought they were going to get canceled. So when they didn't get canceled, season 5 ended up being very lackluster in comparison. But I can't blame the writers for that, and season 5 still has some decent story and character arcs in it. But, you know, there's gonna be some cheesy acting and special effects. Not really campier than what you see in a lot of Trek, though.
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I'm pretty sure of all the TV shows that said "we know where we're going with this," Babylon 5 is literally the only one that was telling the truth.
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I imagine the lead actor having a psychotic break probably put at least something of a wrench into their initial plans.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:It's fun. Acting and effects are rough. First season is rough but literally every episode except one (karate competition episode) pays off later. TKO is good for it's B arc about Ivanova. Don't skip it.
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Kurieg posted:I imagine the lead actor having a psychotic break probably put at least something of a wrench into their initial plans. Surprisingly not. Supposedly JMS had plans for every single character to be written off if something happened to them, whether they got hit by a bus or just wanted more money than the studio would pay them.
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mllaneza posted:TKO is good for it's B arc about Ivanova. Don't skip it. Ivanova is always right. I will listen to Ivanova.
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Azhais posted:Ivanova is always right. I will listen to Ivanova. God, I just remembered how Ivanova’s dialogue started out like it was written for someone with heavy Russian accent, comrade, but Claudia Christian was just using a normal American accent. That was hella weird.
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MisterBibs posted:Babylon 5 is great, just stop after (avoiding spoilers) the Big Stuff they build up to ends somewhere in Season 4. Then it gets mostly into Scouring Of The Shire territory of wrapping up stuff thats just not as compelling. trump_wrong.gif A lesser show would've ended there. The first half of season 5 is stretched a bit, but the latter half is solid and provides needed wind-down and closure. It's a lot better than the DS9-Voyager method if you ask me. Edit: oh, it's MisterBibs, lol.
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seaborgium posted:Surprisingly not. Supposedly JMS had plans for every single character to be written off if something happened to them, whether they got hit by a bus or just wanted more money than the studio would pay them. Kibayasu posted:I'm pretty sure of all the TV shows that said "we know where we're going with this," Babylon 5 is literally the only one that was telling the truth.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:but the latter half is solid and provides needed wind-down and closure Eh, the closure is in Into The Fire. Everything is building up to those moments. I get that the show wasn't expected to have another season, like someone said above, and were scrambling, but c'mon. You just finished killing Dagoth Ur, going back to Addamasartus isn't as interesting.
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Kibayasu posted:I'm pretty sure of all the TV shows that said "we know where we're going with this," Babylon 5 is literally the only one that was telling the truth. JMS's original plan is rather different from where the show eventually ended up, but I think him having that master plan from the beginning was still instrumental in how well it all turned out, because instead of "oh poo poo, i have no idea where to go from here..." there's still a strong sense of where the show should go.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I could also see them just being deathly afraid of looking dated later on. Very few people remember TOS The Way to Eden very fondly. It doesn't feel like they're going to for timeless, as its so in your face. As I said, it reads very much like "this is what smart people like!". I don't expect Troi to chill out in her quarters listening to Unknown Pleasures and Riker comes in and says how he always preferred The Cure. Just not constantly have quarterts be part of episodes constantly. Gynovore posted:Words can't describe how true this is. TNG was great and I loved it, but "making stiff conversation while a string quartet plays in the background" perfectly describes 75% of the stuff that happened when they weren't battling Borg or crystalline entities or whatever. I assume high society in the late 80s was really stuffy, but then it being Regan Republicans I don't think i'm to wrong. That reminds me how Discovery's crew seems to eat like they're at a Whole Foods Juice Bar, which is certainly a really LA rich person thing. I liked the Orville's mess seemed to suggest they can eat whatever they want (Bortrus literally) because its magic future tech that will give them whatever they want to eat that isn't bad for you. Babylon 5 is great, even with its CGI stuff, which looks pretty good for the late 90s.
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swickles posted:I figure this is good a place to ask this: Anyway if you start watching, come post reactions in the B5 thread, although be aware that due to the age of the show there's untagged spoilers everywhere.
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MisterBibs posted:Eh, the closure is in Into The Fire. Everything is building up to those moments. I am playing Morrowind right now but I am still surprised how that game sticks with you in terms of lore.
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It probably didn't help that TNT were straight up jealous of B5's success and actively sabotaging it towards the end of it's lifespan.
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drunken officeparty posted:Am I allowed to believe this show has nothing to do with star trek anymore than that it's a spaceship show and you can't really not be influenced by the 'original' space show we culturally identify. You need to start a NO trek Orville thread, it might take 2 or 3 threads for these muppets to get the hang of it though.
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Kurieg posted:It probably didn't help that TNT were straight up jealous of B5's success and actively sabotaging it towards the end of it's lifespan. The death knell was the spaceship in Crusade getting literally hosed
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The show takes every little audio que from TNG. It's a very intentional homage in many ways.
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Nov 30, 2017 11:33
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FuriousxGeorge posted:The show takes every little audio que from TNG. It's a very intentional homage in many ways. Not just Next Generation. A lot of the action scene music cues are just straight up James Horner.
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Phylodox posted:Not just Next Generation. A lot of the action scene music cues are just straight up James Horner. i'm fully expecting an audio riff on this at some point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml4wAnvfM4M&t=42s
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It's funny how everyone compares the music to TNG when the only TNG that had music nearly this bombastic was the early seasons everyone seems to hate. 
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Season three still had it, or we wouldn't have gotten, "Mr. Worf, fire!"
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