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Thoatse posted:No but I'm p sure there would be some mocap sessions of actors mounting chairs by swinging their leg up over the seat back to sit down quote:DERBY ANIMATION   edit:catte tax 
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Dark Off posted:you know they did more mocap this month as well. There's always mo and it's always c(r)ap
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trucutru posted:Well, if that's the case, then pretty much everything multiplayer qualifies as one and the MMO term is useless. I'd say persistent player characters + multiplayer that's slightly more themed or "in-world" than a plain lobby or random server join is enough to qualify. Which yeah, means that Destiny and stuff like that could qualify if they wanted to be called MMOs. Categories and genres are artificial and always have fuzzy boundaries, deal with it. Spiderdrake posted:As funny as picking that name is I've been trying to suppress memories of that book since reading it so drat yooooouuuu hahaha if you think Consider Phlebas was dark you should see some of his other books!
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Dec 1, 2017 09:20
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trucutru posted:Well, if that's the case, then pretty much everything multiplayer qualifies as one and the MMO term is useless. Some games don't have centralized servers that host your data, those aren't "online only" and thus don't qualify. poo poo like borderlands for example. They follow every MMO trope, especially the ~endgame grind~, but all your data is offline and you can cheat or do whatever the gently caress you want. Dusty Lens posted:That would be amazing. I always enjoy articles that flip over the tapestry on these sorts of things. Well, I had some time to search now and I can't find the article at all now  I've failed at google once again.While searching I did find this absolute gem though https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/06/03/will-ncsofts-wildstar-be-the-next-world-of-warcraf.aspx "Will NCSOFT's 'WildStar' Be the Next 'World of Warcraft'?"
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Spiderdrake posted:As funny as picking that name is I've been trying to suppress memories of that book since reading it so drat yooooouuuu One is before CR, the other after CR. I hope my explanation was enough. quote:I'd say persistent player characters + multiplayer that's slightly more themed or "in-world" than a plain lobby or random server join is enough to qualify. Which yeah, means that Destiny and stuff like that could qualify if they wanted to be called MMOs. I said that, because, way back (in 2011 and 2012) I published a few papers on MMOs and one of the requirements given by the peer review was that the M stood for massively, so games with less than 64 simultaneous players in the same instance weren't allowed. So, no, the boundaries weren't fuzzy at all. trucutru fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Dec 1, 2017 09:27
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I agree that the fuzzing of the term MMO is dumb, if it were up to me only eve-o would ever qualify 
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Dec 1, 2017 09:31
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Your game has shards? Sounds like just another multiplayer game with multiple dedicated servers, man
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Dec 1, 2017 09:32
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Klyith posted:hahaha if you think Consider Phlebas was dark you should see some of his other books! trucutru posted:One is before CR, the other after CR. How the gently caress do CR's fans seriously look at his choices and legitimately see anything but a sad sack of archering? It's just a loving gourd-doom marine hybrid.
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Dec 1, 2017 09:32
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Spiderdrake posted:So the one before is the team developing it externally? Yup. The team that was so well supervised by CIG that it worked for more than a year using the wrong measurements for their stuff. Go watch some of the older Space Marine videos and compare them to the thing that is now called Space Marine, it's quite the difference. And Illfonic is not even a quality developer.
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trucutru posted:Go watch some of the older Space Marine videos and compare them to the thing that is now called Space Marine, it's quite the difference. And Illfonic is not even a quality developer.
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Dec 1, 2017 09:38
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Spiderdrake posted:To be fair CIG is closer to the people who make porn popups by stealing SFM gifs than anything I'd call a developer. And to be fair to CR, I'm sure that the sad potato marine is not even close to what he envisioned, and three years ago he would have forced the artists to re-do it a billion times with a million polygons per square inch. But by now they are actually trying to make something that can be played, so they are forced to actually have a polygon budget, so square-fucko is the logical end point. e: And, in case you haven't read it before, this is always a treat: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3lyfb1/david_jennison_former_lead_character_artist_in/ trucutru fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Spiderdrake posted:Dark is fine. The earlier scenes were way harder hitting than the ending, because at the last quarter or so suddenly the main character just becomes completely brain damaged to force an ending that sharply contradicted all of his character from the beginning of the book. And it's telegraphed so brutally early as you read slog after slog of a half-dead character crawling to a train. I thought the book would turn it around and surprise me but no, it was just exactly what it was flagging an hour or so before I finished. I felt stupid for finishing it. Ah. Well in that case you might try some of his other books -- Consider Phlebas was the first SF he wrote and the later books are a lot tighter and better plotted. There are scenes from Consider that I really like but it's definitely his weakest work. Excession is the one I usually loan to friends because it's very straightforward, as close as Banks gets to pure space opera. But if you're ok with dark, Use of Weapons is both amazingly hosed up and amazingly intricate. edit to contribute on topic: I've been catching up with the thread and there are a ton of deleted imgurs from the past 6 days of post -- in particular every imgur image that from context seems to have been a picture of their funding graph. Someone is reporting these again? And targeting the funding images in particular? How interesting! Klyith fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Dec 1, 2017 09:54
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trucutru posted:e: And, in case you haven't read it before, this is always a treat: This is why this entire project is hosed. Chris touches everything. Unfortunately.
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Raskolnikov posted:On a scale of 1-10 how triggered does make you feel? This is quality!! i laughed hard 
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Klyith posted:Ah. Well in that case you might try some of his other books -- Consider Phlebas was the first SF he wrote and the later books are a lot tighter and better plotted. There are scenes from Consider that I really like but it's definitely his weakest work. You know basically the two things Star Citien can not have: a sense of grandeur about space and fun. But it does have the end of the book, a depressing slog through an FPS level that ends with failure!
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Dec 1, 2017 10:12
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Gosts posted:How are you guys liking elite: dangerous? I'd like to buy it but I have two concerns. One, I hear they're doing lots of expansions which will cost lots more money unless you backed it, or something. Two, I'm concerned to hear combat usually isn't as viable a way to make money as sitting in a space truck for twenty hours. Pretty sure there's only one expansion for E:D so far. As for making money, it depends. If there is a community event going that involves shooting a certain faction's ships in a certain system, combat can be quite profitable. If there's no such event, it's so-so. Just fly around in some planetary ring with the federal (or equivalent) security forces and scan wanted ships they are already firing on, then get in at least one shot before the ship is destroyed. The feds will tank most of the damage and you can get some easy bounties. It definitely benefits from being in a wing with 1-2 people on voice chat, though. Some ships require a certain level of reputation with the feds, imperials or such to become available for purchase, which is typically easier and faster to get by just doing certain data delivery runs over and over for a couple of hours. I just googled for a good pair of systems to do this between when I wanted the Imperial Clipper and now I sometimes just ram smaller ships to death with it in combat.
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trucutru posted:And to be fair to CR, I'm sure that the sad potato marine is not even close to what he envisioned, and three years ago he would have forced the artists to re-do it a billion times with a million polygons per square inch. But by now they are actually trying to make something that can be played, so they are forced to actually have a polygon budget, so square-fucko is the logical end point. It shouldnt amaze me how the citizens read this as "this guy obviously wasnt cut for the job" and "this is a good thing, doing stuff over and over makes it better each time". But it still does.
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MMOs in active development are not cheap to make. FFXIV has like 200 people working on it year round, add in recurring costs and non recurring ones (they had a huge chunk of their budget from this last expansion to go into a new server farm) and it can be way more expensive over time than a blockbuster single player game.
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Codezombie posted:drat it, no I did'nt. It's like a 15+ minute flight in hyperspace, as I recall, so make sure to have a book or something handy while you're accelerating along the hyperspace beacon path. Might have to google which mission and when you can break off, though, and which beacon leads there. It's not a huge thing, per se, just a fun little nod to the show
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Dec 1, 2017 10:47
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FFXIV is an trainwreck development wise, and it's still making square enix metric shitloads of profit. They could probably cut sub cost by 90% and still make loads just off expansion sales.
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Dec 1, 2017 10:48
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Truga posted:everything is relative, including costs. Careful, you're dangerously close to making sense. Lot of people here who don't like that.
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Dec 1, 2017 10:48
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Like, yeah, I get it, people will pay for it, might as well profit right? But the constant excuses are getting loving old. If at least those fat profits went into better working conditions for game developers, but they don't. Shareholder/CEO need more porscha
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Dec 1, 2017 10:49
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Klyith posted:
For example "Use of Weapons", which is still my fav. (The non Culture novel "Canal Dreams" is also pretty dark)
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Dec 1, 2017 10:49
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Raskolnikov posted:And Actual Game Is that some weird red self-destruct nipple button? Thoatse posted:No but I'm p sure there would be some mocap sessions of actors mounting chairs by swinging their leg up over the seat back to sit down I was thinking more of this Riker maneuver, but I can see the Riker chair maneuver leading to all kinds of comedy if CIG tries to implement it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4x1K97JZG0
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Truga posted:FFXIV is an trainwreck development wise, and it's still making square enix metric shitloads of profit. They could probably cut sub cost by 90% and still make loads just off expansion sales. No it's loving not a trainwreck development wise anymore. It's probably the most efficient and consistent development the genre has ever seen. And yeah, they could cut subs by a lot and still make a profit, but what happens if the number dips more than you anticipate and you don't have a steady cash reserve? Woops now I need to cut staff, development slows down, woops now I have less people buying expansions and subs whoops now my game is in maintenance mode.
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Dec 1, 2017 10:56
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Cao Ni Ma posted:No it's loving not a trainwreck development wise anymore. It's probably the most efficient and consistent development the genre has ever seen. Is that why we're over 4 years in and I still can't have my glamour wardrobe because their code is spaghetti? No, it's a trainwreck
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Truga posted:I agree that the fuzzing of the term MMO is dumb, if it were up to me only eve-o would ever qualify Maybe Planetside 2? Multiple servers, sure, but every server can have quite a number of people active on it at any given time.
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Truga posted:Is that why we're over 4 years in and I still can't have my glamour wardrobe because their code is spaghetti? No, it's a trainwreck I'm sorry that you can't pretty princess easier in game, you just gotta make do with the consistent release of dungeons, raids, scenarios, story and whatever fluff project they come up with each patch that come out every 3 months
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I'm sorry that you can't pretty princess easier in game, you just gotta make do with the consistent release of dungeons, raids, scenarios, story and whatever fluff project they come up with each patch that come out every 3 months Adding a bunch of 3d assets into the game is not the same as adding new functionality, come on... Also, they've cut dungeons from 3 to 2 to 1.5 and replaced them with shitshows, so uh......
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Look at this well oiled machine that churns out content consistently quarterly when other MMOs can have year long draughts. It is a trainwreck because their database is a mess and they rather spend time making new content than making it easier for us loving idiots to play dress up
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Dec 1, 2017 11:08
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Hello, I am also a man (human) who has different priorities in a videogame. Final fantasy, the large game, is a wreck of train due to sreiongarmthsth what is this thread about again
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Dec 1, 2017 11:11
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Aren’t we due for a Free Fly weekend in SC one of these days??? This would be good for the thread Come on Croberts! Quit trying to make a diamond in your rear end, and let us play it.
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Dec 1, 2017 11:19
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play good games like the new Zelda and Mario console gaming in 2017 crushes, suck me off star citizens
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Look at this well oiled machine that churns out content consistently quarterly when other MMOs can have year long draughts. It is a trainwreck because their database is a mess and they rather spend time making new content than making it easier for us loving idiots to play dress up FFXIV is just a video game my man Unlike Star Citizen which is a way of life.
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Mne nravitsya posted:Aren’t we due for a Free Fly weekend in SC one of these days??? This would be good for the thread They sort of stopped doing free fly weekends. Probably because the game runs like poo poo and showing it to people in this state is a bad idea. They rather people buy into the poo poo they are saying and go straight into a package than hope that a demo convinces them. This week they'll have starter packages on sale alf_pogs posted:play good games like the new Zelda and Mario Just the switch. My PS4 has been collecting dust since I bought it but my switch has gotten like 5 games in in the three months Ive had it. Can't wait to play this anime rpg once I get back from work today Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Gosts posted:How are you guys liking elite: dangerous? It's a great game, it you like Elite-style games (which I do). Gosts posted:I'd like to buy it but I have two concerns. One, I hear they're doing lots of expansions which will cost lots more money unless you backed it, or something. There will be paid expansions, but the whole of next year's updates are free to Horizon's owners, so it's be 2019 at the earliest before the next paid one. Everyone pays the same price for expansions, apart from those who paid for a lifetime expansion pass when it was available, but they've technically currently paid way more than those who just buy the expansions when available. Gosts posted:Two, I'm concerned to hear combat usually isn't as viable a way to make money as sitting in a space truck for twenty hours. I've been playing since alpha, and I've never done that dedicated trucker thing. Most of my money has been made from bounty hunting, exploration and occasionally a bit of smuggling. HTH
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alf_pogs posted:play good games like the new Zelda and Mario The new Zelda is good, yeah, even though it suffers from bad frame drops in certain places. 
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Ahhh a discussion about relative cost. Sadly and as citizens pointed out often and willfully, I apparently don't understand game development. Therefore I shall use a much less important and profitable industry than fancy video games... The automotive industry... Now many people will toss this of right away... Ugh cars how important can they be nowadays... I bet even EA smokes those guys on the numbers. Now I could go and wield a company like Toyota or Volkswagen but I'll just start with a good old premium brand, BMW. BMW generated a revenue of 94 billion Euro last year . This is just over 12 times the revenue of ea and about 20 billion more than alphabet Inc. makes (alphabet is the superstructure of Google). When bmw, or any comparable manufacturer goes and says "good riddance, Hans, we need a new 3 series" they will start turning the wheels on a new series development. Not a face-lift. A new series. This process, once started, has a fixed delivery date. Before the first drawing on a napkin is done, there is a date at which the first car rolls off the production line. And this date is not negotiable. This date might also be 7 years into the future. Between the date that Hans is told that it's time for a new 3 series and the new 3 series rolling out, The project will consume a little more than 2 billion Euro (2.000.000.000,00). That is not for the entire new palette of cars for the next 7 years. That's merely for a single series. And it's only the development cost. The profit margin of bmw has been claimed to be the highest in the volume production segment at just under 9 percent. So you have to manage to produce something for less than 9 percent profit on average with a 2 billion negative from the development. And the companies do that consistently. And they have been doing this process for the last 70 years now. Makes you think a little different when you hear about the cost of video games and what a company needs and doesn't need to do to stay profitable
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I tried the trucking thing in Elite, even calculated routes with some online tools....then found out about HazRes, Conflict zones and in the latest patch tourist stuff and made much, much more that way. Maybe I'm just too stupid to truck, that's totally possible
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BMW triggers me....hard....
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