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one of my students transitioned between semesters and fortunately she came up to me before class and was like "hey, just so you know, i'm going by $name now" and i was glad that she did that before i took roll instead of me accidentally calling her what i was used to. thinking of how to handle that in the future. i found a very angry article from the lgbt center complaining that taking roll was inherently trans-exclusionary and should not be done at all*, but i don't think it has to be. maybe i'll pass around a sheet at the beginning with the names that i have on the roster, and people can put down their preferred name and pronoun beside each one? but then i think about that and like, if the sheet goes around and someone's listed as "mark" but they put down "maria" then that's outing them so noooope. also probably they don't even want to be exposed to their dead name. i could use student ID numbers, but technically showing those to other students is a FERPA violation, though enough professors ignore FERPA that i could probably get away with it no problem, but i would still like to stay within the law which exists for very good reasons. on the other hand, if someone still has their old name on the school register for any reason, but they're going by something else, i need to be able to reconcile those two points in order to know who is actually in my class and assign grades etc. this is complicated by there being like four different names that the student might have depending on what system you're accessing -- some can be arbitrarily set while others are tied to their legal name and sometimes one will be incomplete or have extra middle names and sometimes the chinese students use their legal name and sometimes the english name they go by and on and on... to the trans posters: how would you prefer this be/have been handled in your education? *i have sat in committees with professors whose attitude is "why do the students even get to set their names on these things? it should be their legal name and nothing else, that's what matters!" and the like, stuff that i'm sure everyone here is real sick of hearing so in those cases yeah the professor should probably just not take roll at all.
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implant rfid chips in kids to record their classroom entries and exits
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Dec 9, 2017 22:23
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thats literally the first time ive heard of taking roll post highschool
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Dec 9, 2017 22:29
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could you just say "starting next time i'm going to be doing roll calling, if your name/pronoun is different from your legal one please send me an email at sagebrush@whatever.edu"? that way they could contact you without being outed. alternatively you could ask everyone to write down their student id and name/pronouns and hand in those sheets
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Dec 9, 2017 22:35
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Powaqoatse posted:thats literally the first time ive heard of taking roll post highschool Most of my classes are under 20 students and studio format, so it matters a lot if you don't show up
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Dec 9, 2017 22:37
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Sagebrush posted:Most of my classes are under 20 students and studio format, so it matters a lot if you don't show up huh i guess some kind of dumb computer signin then
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Dec 9, 2017 22:42
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you could use something like TopHat I guess? it’s like ~<$30 for a student for 1 class and handles attendance sign ins through an app, clicker style multiple choice questions in class, homework submissions, grading etc. it’s...not great, but better than previous alternatives and is much cheaper than a standard text or something assuming the class doesn’t need one. not sure if appropriate for that sort of class
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Dec 9, 2017 22:55
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For the record I will excuse students from class for any reason as long as they tell me beforehand (need a doctor's note if they're missing a deadline) and so far that hasn't been abused. Just want to encourage people to show up
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Dec 9, 2017 22:55
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with class size that small i kinda think after a week the perfessor should be able to figure out who's missing just by looking at the room instead of calling role
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Dec 9, 2017 22:56
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Probably wouldn't be able to that hard to make nfc tags associated with each ID and give it to the students to put on their cards or whatever, then use that with some sort of app
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Dec 9, 2017 22:58
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imo barcode tattoos, theyre cyberpunk as hell
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Dec 9, 2017 23:01
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atomicthumbs posted:Probably wouldn't be able to that hard to make nfc tags associated with each ID and give it to the students to put on their cards or whatever, then use that with some sort of app where I went to school they had just switched over to rfid badges and decided to try something similar for a few classes (badge in at the door for attendance tracking) and turns out that lazy students will give their is card to a friend to check them into a class. would it be possible to do an email before the first class with a "if you go by or prefer a name other than what is listed in your student records please email me before the first day of class"? or perhaps not take roll on the first day and make a similar statement on the first day?
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Shifty Pony posted:where I went to school they had just switched over to rfid badges and decided to try something similar for a few classes (badge in at the door for attendance tracking) and turns out that lazy students will give their is card to a friend to check them into a class. how did they not forsee this
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Dec 10, 2017 02:00
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Everyone is over complicating this. Don't take roll on the first day. Instead announce that you will take roll from then on and that if someone's preferred name (use that language) differs from their registration to let you know before the next class. This way you are asking if the Christophers in the room want to go by Chris too and you're not singling out just trans students. Send out an email after class with the same statement for the dipshits who skip the first day of class. Don't make it about trans students. Just make it generally about getting the name people go by.
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Dec 10, 2017 02:24
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we have quite a few trans folk on our goon discord server and I always feel bad when I say “LETS GO BOYYYSSSS” or call someone dude even though I know they’re trans  always make sure to correct myself and apologize and thankfully dude has become relatively agender but it’s definitely something I need to more actively think about so I don’t make someone sad while playing video games edit: oh also speaking of video games a big YouTube Overwatch person has come out as transgender and is closing their channel because they actually have to make money and avoid abuse https://youtu.be/reiZfgWgHjY
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Dec 10, 2017 03:10
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:we have quite a few trans folk on our goon discord server and I always feel bad when I say “LETS GO BOYYYSSSS” or call someone dude even though I know they’re trans "y'all" is always correct
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Dec 10, 2017 04:15
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are people actually offended by "dude" or "guys"? idgaf about that poo poo and I assumed outrage about it was just a conservative strawman.
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Dec 10, 2017 04:27
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cis autodrag posted:are people actually offended by "dude" or "guys"? idgaf about that poo poo and I assumed outrage about it was just a conservative strawman. i've heard from plenty of cis women that those bug them, and if someone said "what's up ladies" to a group i'm been part of i'd probably feel it was intentionally insulting so it's just easier to always say "y'all" or "people"
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Dec 10, 2017 04:33
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i've heard from plenty of cis women that those bug them, and if someone said "what's up ladies" to a group i'm been part of i'd probably feel it was intentionally insulting so it's just easier to always say "y'all" or "people" Well ya men are constitutionally incapable of saying "ladies" in a non creepy way.
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cis autodrag posted:Well ya men are constitutionally incapable of saying "ladies" in a non creepy way. #notallmen https://twitter.com/ussoccer_wnt/status/617777453210054656 http://the-toast.net/2015/07/06/annotating-the-rocks-inspirational-workout-video-message-to-the-u-s-womens-soccer-team/ quote:0:02 – “Hey, what’s up, ladies?” Do you have any idea how difficult it is for a man in a muscle tank to say “Hey, what’s up, ladies” in a manner that is neither suggestive nor condescending? It is very nearly impossible; The Rock achieves it in the first two seconds. This is a man who genuinely wants to know what is up with these ladies. No one ever told The Rock what sexism is, so he has never once committed an act of it. Please do not tell him about it now. He would be absolutely crushed if he knew.
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(keeping in mind that dwayne "the rock" johnson said a lot of really problematic stuff during his wrestling career)
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Dec 10, 2017 04:45
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he has a daughter now so he's learned that women are people too
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Cocoa Crispies posted:#notallmen anyone who says "cuss" is a narc
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Triglav posted:he has a daughter now so he's learned that women are people too "as a father of a daughter" is like my least favorite response to sex harassment scandals.
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Dec 10, 2017 04:49
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Triglav posted:he has a daughter now so he's learned that women are people too also vince mcmahon is a huge misogynist and that definitely bled into the scripts and general culture of tge wwe
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cis autodrag posted:"as a father of a daughter" is like my least favorite response to sex harassment scandals. anyone who says yhis is a loving rapist. if you need a daughter to realize that raping women is bad ... *extremely foxworthy voice* you might br a rapist
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Dec 10, 2017 04:57
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I call everyone dude and if you don’t like it you can go gently caress yourself. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 10, 2017 05:03
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i've heard from plenty of cis women that those bug them, and if someone said "what's up ladies" to a group i'm been part of i'd probably feel it was intentionally insulting so it's just easier to always say "y'all" or "people"
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Dec 10, 2017 05:11
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aw, the dude i was trying to date this weekend hasn't messaged me back. hope he's just busy and not ghosting me, he was very funny and i liked chatting with him.
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Dec 10, 2017 05:14
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Sagebrush posted:Most of my classes are under 20 students and studio format, so it matters a lot if you don't show up what do you mean by studio format btw? im still perplexed by a college class taking attendance but most of my classes were stem so
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Progressive JPEG posted:what do you mean by studio format btw? im still perplexed by a college class taking attendance but most of my classes were stem so in my last year (2013-2014) my cs profs mentioned having to start taking attendance for financial aid reasons but that may have been a state rule (az)
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cis autodrag posted:are people actually offended by "dude" or "guys"? idgaf about that poo poo and I assumed outrage about it was just a conservative strawman. With girl friends in casual conversation i'll often phrase a sentence like "man what game were you watching that was clearly slashing, the ref is blind" and no one's ever said anything but I've always been vaguely worried I'm doing a Wrong or if that's just nature of the language or what I think if I ever had a casual conversation with someone I knew to be transgender I would trip on my tongue a ridiculous amount of times and outright die of shame 
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Improbable Lobster posted:aw, the dude i was trying to date this weekend hasn't messaged me back. hope he's just busy and not ghosting me, he was very funny and i liked chatting with him. i wish u the best inconceivable nephropidae
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The Management posted:I call everyone dude and if you don’t like it you can go gently caress yourself. This is not a tone that is appropriate for you to take in this thread.
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Dec 10, 2017 06:01
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yeah i'm another cis dude and when a 9 year old girl politely asked me not to call her dude I complied, if you're such a goon you want to die on that hill you should reconsider
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Dec 10, 2017 06:19
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The Management posted:I call everyone dude and if you don’t like it you can go gently caress yourself. spoken like a real management
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Dec 10, 2017 06:25
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I typically refer to people as "they" even when I know their gender and my gaymarried husband hates it lol
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Dec 10, 2017 07:44
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maybe cuz west coast + hippie school, but "they" was taught to me and what i heard as a kid but also "dude" is gender neutral
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Progressive JPEG posted:I typically refer to people as "they" even when I know their gender and my gaymarried husband hates it lol I also tend to do this. Better to be safe than stomp on people's feelings. I just genuinely had no idea guys and dude weren't totally agendered at this point. The only people I've ever irl heard complaints from are a meme from my friend in Facebook who is the definition of white girl woke and my wife's uncle who's a lovely republican who was mocking me for my beard shadow back before the laser started to work.
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Triglav posted:maybe cuz west coast + hippie school, but "they" was taught to me and what i heard as a kid its really not though
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